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I bought a Vernet Classic TT (hard) after researching around for the "standard" TT. I really liked that the color seemed to match my skin color more accurately compared to the TT I did have which was much more red-toned. Yes, the audience isn't ever supposed to get a good look at the TT, but spending a few bucks on a more "accurate" TT helps me with confidence in performance.

When I got it, I really liked the color in natural light (sunlight). In artificial light, like in my house where the light is yellowish, it takes on a greyish hue. My other TT looks better in the artificial light in my house. But outside/in less colored lighting, the Vernet looks great. The Vernet also fits really well and has a great amount of room compared to my other TT.

Something I didn't expect is the seam on the Vernet. Again, the audience will not notice it in a good performance but not having a seam helps with confidence. I was able to blend the seam all the way around the TT using a slightly rough fabric- car upholstery, in fact. It was quite a silly moment but I just rubbed the seams against the upholstery for a while and the seam melded together.

Most important is to get the seam on the tip blended, as that is the most exposed part of a TT. If you do this yourself, be sure not to use upholstery or fabrics that may have a strong die/a darker color, as the die may come off onto the TT. I wouldn't use sandpaper, either. You aren't really shaving off material, just heating up the material enough so it evens out.

A last thing I didn't expect is how translucent the Vernet is. I like a blue silk compared to the typical red silk, but the blue silk gives the TT a darker hue. A little bit of red something in the tip of the TT helps. Still, a bill hidden ready for a switch can be seen if you're looking for it.

Again, most of these issues are cosmetic and they don't really matter if you are doing a good performance. But hey, extra confidence is always great. If you need a lo-fi TT that looks great out the box, I would be hesitant with the Vernet. You have to do a little work. I don't really want to go the hyper-realistic TT route, I don't know why. I kind of like the idea of such a lo-fi object that allows such a convincing effect. But hey, as cheap as TT's are, it wouldn't hurt to try a few and see what works best.

The Vernet still does look the best and feel the best out of the TT's I have. If you don't care about the seam and translucency, it's a great buy. And again, just remember that the looks don't really matter. I just like to be able to fool myself while I'm fooling the audience.
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Well, I did a silk appearance/vanish a few times today to some friends with the Vernet. I thought I performed it well enough so that "they wouldn't see it even if they knew to look for it" but I don't think it worked. I think the Vernet is just too transparent. TT's don't have to be exact but the tip color is very yellow compared to my more pale pink skin. I was in some harsh lighting too. Maybe I just didn't perform it well enough. But I've done the trick with my other TT and it seemed to go well all the time (unless I botched it).

I guess for a typical red silk it wouldn't matter. But I like a dark blue silk, so it shows through.

The other TT is called "Morris" ( https://smhttp-ssl-42830.nexcesscdn.net/......rris.jpg ) and the tip color is much closer to my own and it is much less transparent. Although I liked the feel of the Vernet better, I'll keep using this Morris TT until I get a chance to physically try some other ones.
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You could coat the inside with a paint that would match your skin color. Might help?
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On Sep 18, 2018, Dan Ford wrote:
You could coat the inside with a paint that would match your skin color. Might help?
I thought about that. I used a red sharpie to give the Vernet some pinkish color in the inside. The problem is that the plastic's thickness isn't uniform throughout, so some spots would shine a deeper red/pink than others. It looked goofy.

I've ordered the HD TT by Alan Wong. We'll see how it turns out. I guess I have a freer handling which requires possibly a more realistic tip.
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Have you thought about painting the outside of the tt? You can get acrylic paints and mix your own color with a combination of light brown, white and red. Use small amounts of each as you find your color of skin tone. I have done this, so I know it works. Use an eye dropper and count your drops for a recipe for future.
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That's a good idea. If the HD TT doesn't really work well, I'll take that route. Does the acrylic paint chip/wear over time?
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Spray the acrylic paint with a flat clear spray like Tester's Dullcote or matte finish clear spray. This will protect it. You can get these at your hardware or hobby shop.
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When Vernets first were available (early '70s) I used the (now "standard" routine of production, vanish, reproduction)for a season (+/- 400 shows). I NEVER had ANY problem with the color of the TT!

I ALWAYS used a "warm colored" silk! (RED, ORANGE, YELLOW. (NEVER "COLD COLORS -- GREEN, BLUE )

It appears to me that you are using silk colors that YOU LIKE. ---That's DUMB!

After WWII, Harris Solomon was traveling in Egypt. In a little village, he watched an old (!!!) street magician doing cups & balls. The old man was of African descent. His skin was BLACK. Harris invited the magician to have some lunch. After lunch, Harris did the then standard bit of vanishing a lit cigarette in a handkerchief, using a metal TT, which was THE ONLY TT, then. The old magician was AMAZED. (He knew only the tricks that had been handed down to him by his father.) Harris, knowing that the old timer, would never have the opportunity to buy a TT, gave it to the old guy, whose eyes lit up!

Harris said, later, "I KNEW HE WAS A MAGICIAN, BECAUSE HE DIDN'T SAY, THAT THE TT "DOESN'T MATCH MY SKIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

For YEARS, magic dealers have used RED (OR OTHER BRIGHT COLORS, OR EVEN BARE SHINY METAL TTs)to convince that the COLOR OF THE TT, IS NOT CRITICAL!!!

End of sermon.
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On Oct 1, 2018, Dick Oslund wrote:
For YEARS, magic dealers have used RED (OR OTHER BRIGHT COLORS, OR EVEN BARE SHINY METAL TTs)to convince that the COLOR OF THE TT, IS NOT CRITICAL!!!

End of sermon.
Thanks for the info. Personally, I would just rather have a TT that matches my skin well to build confidence. I'm not one of these great performers who could perform with brightly colored/shiny metal TT's. And since many lay-people know about TT's now, I think if you value the confidence a matching TT will give you, get it. It will allow for freer handling as well, possibly being more convincing. We don't need any more stress in our lives.

I hear a lot about well-experienced magicians using brightly colored/shiny metal TT's for performance/demonstration. I've never personally seen that handling to be so convinced. Sure it is possible, but how would a culture who knows what to look for receive it? I'd like to see a video (probably privatized) of that kind of handling.
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To be a successful magician, one who can ENTERTAIN people (moppets, young teens, older teens, adults) one must have TALENT. -- and, also, GUTS!

Every TRICK has a weak point. A good magician must, using PROPS, TALENT, AND GUTS, develop a PRESENTATION for a TRICK, that ENTERTAINS people.

(Magic is NOT inherently ENTERTAINING!)

You and I have never met. I don't KNOW you. But, in reading your comments on a simple gimmick/feke (a TT) it's apparent to me at least, that you need to develop some GUTS! A nicer word would be CONFIDENCE.

If you are seriously hoping, or even planning, to be a magician, you will need to "work on THAT, along with all the other qualities. I suspect that no one has ever told you this.

A TT is not even a TRICK! It's just a specialized PROP, that a magician uses to PERFORM a TRICK.

To add a TRICK to one's act/show, THREE THINGS ARE NECESSARY!

1. Learn how the TRICK is DONE.

2. Learn how to DO it.

3. Learn how to do it, so that it ENTERTAINS people.

I made a living for 50 years, performing magic, from coast to coast, and, border to border. I was never "at liberty". Managers would call ME, to find out when I was available. I think that I know what I am talking about.

Most young people, if willing to learn the basic principles, and, having some basic talent, can acquire the GUTS, but it doesn't just "happen". Sophocles said it very well, two thousand years ago: "One learns by DOING the thing."

So! You must decide, whether you will settle for being able to "do" a few tricks, or be a MAGICIAN.
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Please listen to Dick, try to understand what he is trying to get across to you. Please pardon me, Dick... He is crusty, pedantic, blunt, and crotchety, but he is full of wisdom! Don't get all hung up on how he conveys his thoughts! Ponder what he has said and learn from it.
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Those who cannot do it will be destroyed on the lathe of heaven." - Chuang Tse
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I don't disagree with Dick Oslund. In fact he is quite right: I don't have much confidence. I would just prefer to have a TT that is less detectable for that extra boost of confidence.
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While you are searching for the perfect color match try a couple of things that are confidence builders.

First learn to use the TT in non-standard ways (Salvano and Losander have good work on the TT. It doesn't stay on their thumbs for long) Both have DVDs with their handlings.

wear a TT in place all day while you work and play. But a bandaid around it near the opening (breaks up the continuity of the flesh color) make it a colorful bandaid that draws attention. People may glance at it but look away.

If you get comfortable with it and don't notice it then it will go unnoticed by others.

TT that is slightly darker is preferable to one that is lighter when trying to match your skin tone. It will appear as if it was in shadows.

Another trick that I got from a Ringling Brothers clown is to wear white gloves and glue a matching glove finger to your TT now it's white as is your hand.

Good luck matching your skin tone.
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My Vernet TT is 30 years old, so I’m not sure what they look like today. I have never had a confidence issue about seeing it. Wore mine for several minutes at a show last week. Forgot it was on and I opened a water bottle while it was on. Still no big deal. I remember some advice from Eric Mead at a lecture. “Believe in yourself and do it.” You can do this. Worry about the fun would be my advice.
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It is more important that the size fits well, the exact color doesn't matter
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I am one of those guys Will, who likes the color to match my skin tone too, so you are not the only one in the world who thinks like you. I have been into magic for over 60 years and I guess I have a little OCD going when it comes to my props.
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Back in the mid '70s, my friend, the late J. B. BOBO, and, I were sitting in a "corner" of the hotel lobby, during the SAM convention in Chicago. After exchanging a few stories (we both had done a gezillion school shows on the road) J.B. said, "Have you seen this?" He did a simple bare hand" production and vanish of a small silk, and, it was GOOD! He was wearing just an open color short sleeved sport shirt, and, he had resorted to none of the methods with which I was familiar! I blinked, and said, "No! --THAT, is very nice!"

Then he showed me what was a relatively new gimmick/feke. It was a Vernet TT. I was familiar with metal TTs, I had bought one from Percy, when I was about 14. for 25 cents! I had mainly used it to vanish a lit cigarette "STUB" in a handkerchief. I had been on the road, in the Dakota, Montana, area for the entire school year, just closed, and there weren't any magic shops "out there", then. (There still "aint".) So, I hadn't seen a Vernet. We spent a half hour talking about the EFFECTS that the Vernet TT had made possible.

In the dealers room, I found a dealer "willing" to sell me one! I think he wanted two bucks. I bought two. (Professionals ALWAYS have a "back up" prop.)

I played with it for a week or two, and, that fall, I used the simple routine that J.B. had shown me for an opener. About 60 shows, and a month, later, I really realized how strong the EFFECT was! I used it for two seasons. I wrote up the routine and lines that I used, in my book. I've used it, also for walk a round, jobs, and, other casual situations. It has never failed!

Amusing incident: I was walking on with the loaded TT "installed appropriately" one morning, and, as I greeted the kids in an elementary school, the TT FELL OFF! I reached down (kept talking) and grabbed the TT. Still talking, I did the production, vanish, and reproductions of the little silk. The "oohs/ahhs" and, the laugh was just the same as it always had been, and, the applause came on cue, too!

GUTS! CONFIDENCE!
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