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On Oct 2, 2018, Mr. Bones wrote:

...Regardless, I suspect we're saying approximately the same thing ... but saying it from completely different viewpoints - and elaborating on completely different aspects of the same basic idea.


I think you are giving me too much credit. I never claimed that I knew what I was talking about or that there was any cogency to my argument. Smile
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On Sep 30, 2018, Cagliostro wrote:
I should also mention that around hustlers and capable people, I have never heard anyone discuss a center deal in any serious vein. It is not even mentioned except perhaps on rare occasion in jest.

The center deal is almost entirely a concept bandied about by magicians and demonstrators. It is not seriously discussed among hustlers as having any real practicality for serious hustling.

Dai Vernon started the entire center deal discussion with his revelation of the Kennedy Center Deal. I believe that was in the 1940s. It was supposed to be "oh, so hush-hush" among the upper echelon of magicians at the time and some poorer versions of the center deal appeared in Expert Card Technique thereafter.

It appears credible that Kennedy used his version of the center deal in some of the private games in which he played in the 30s and 40s. How much money he made with the move, how serious the games he played in were and how effective the move was under fire cannot be determined objectively and the stories by Vernon and his followers are basically hearsay. Vernon loved to use hyperbole and one upmanship on the other magicians and no doubt could embellish his revelations to a certain degree or perhaps even greatly.

However, Tony giorgio said he saw the Kennedy Center deal demonstrated at the Magic Castle in LA a few times, mostly by Charlie Miller who had evidently mastered the move. He said the move had a somewhat unnatural grip and dealing procedure and was somewhat awkward. Giorgio also said there were much better and more practical ways to get the money other than the center deal, ways that did not require the great skill and practice needed to master the move and were more deceptive.


I respectfully disagree with you on that. I am not a magician (all though I love magic and have a great respect for magicians) I am or I guess I should say... I was a professional mechanic for over 30 years. I have played in some of the biggest games in the world and I can promise you...the center deal has been used effectively under fire many many times. We don't talk about it much...because, well...why would we? lol
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I respectfully disagree with you on that. I am not a magician (all though I love magic and have a great respect for magicians) I am or I guess I should say... I was a professional mechanic for over 30 years. I have played in some of the biggest games in the world and I can promise you...the center deal has been used effectively under fire many many times. We don't talk about it much...because, well...why would we? lol
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Mr.Bones can you list the resources you based you statement below?
I am always interested in materials that are not in my possession.

Mr. Bones wrote: "...reference materials which describe in detail the effective use of the centre deal under fire".

Thank you.
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On Oct 11, 2018, KardSharp89 wrote:

I am or I guess I should say... I was a professional mechanic for over 30 years. I have played in some of the biggest games in the world and I can promise you...the center deal has been used effectively under fire many many times. We don't talk about it much...because, well...why would we? lol


Right! Smile
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On Oct 11, 2018, KardSharp89 wrote:
...... I was a professional mechanic for over 30 years.....


So you hustled all the poker games you played ... and we all know who you are in real life ... and you're claiming you're a "professional mechanic"?

You understand that simply playing a lot of poker on the square, when you also know how to do a bottom or a second deal (but don't actually execute at the table) doesn't actually make you a "professional mechanic" ... right?
To believe it does puts you firmly in the Daniel Madison camp.

I mean I've played poker since before Hold'Em was a thing ... and I started studying Erdnase when I was around 14 or 15 (I'm 61 now) ... but I've never hustled a game, and therefore couldn't in a million years call myself a "professional mechanic".

Do you want to step your comment back a notch or two (especially as you're using your real name), and simply note that you've played a lot of high end poker, and you know a few moves to boot?
That perhaps calling yourself a "professional mechanic" works as you try to monetize your card game history with a website for the same crowd that Daniel Madison shops after ... but folk here in this forum just ain't gonna be buying it!
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