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countrymaven Inner circle 1428 Posts 
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Hi I was blown away recently. I tried out the bottom palm while breezing through and oldie but goodie, the Magic of LePaul.
I have all the main sources. Who do you suggest does a very good job in teaching this? I was blown away because I didn't realize how invisible this can be. It also solves a problem for a card to wallet I have. Since I can now control to the top or bottom, the bottom palm just feels more natural to me. this is after countless years of top palming. I guess an old dog can learn new tricks, if you have enough card magic books. hehe. |
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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts
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Hi countrymaven,
I've never actually tried a palm, not even of any kind, so take the following with that in mind: Michael Close has a really nice e-book (including video files) on the bottom palm and gambler's cop. The instruction is thorough, detailed, and very readable. It's the first of several volumes on palming, and he starts with the bottom palm precisely for the reasons you suggest: it's well-covered. I don't remember what the book called, but you can find it on his website. Bob |
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Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts
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On Oct 12, 2018, Bob G wrote: Hey Bob, The Bottom Palm/Gambler's Cop is really wonderful and I actually mastered it/them before the top palm. It is covered well, angles are fine, and replacement is very natural. The sleight - like any sleight - opens a universe of possibilities. When you're ready for the Top Palm, PM Glenn Morphew. his work on the OHTP is absolutely splendid. He sells a video devoted to it. Glenn is a wonderful instructor. |
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Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts
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On Oct 12, 2018, countrymaven wrote: Hey Countrymaven, I'll look up teaching sources and post them later. That said, if you want some great routines using the sleight, David Regal uses it rather frequently and you really get to experience how great the sleight is. |
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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts
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Hi there, Vlad,
Thanks for all this info. The gambler's copy is on my (all too long) list of sleights to learn because it just happens that two or three tricks that I'd like to learn use it. The universe -- even the tiny universe of magic -- is a big place. |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts
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See if you can find my HaLo Cut Cop (for a gambler's palm) which I use often and which I've taught in books often.
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
http://www.harrylorayne.com http://www.harryloraynemagic.com |
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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts
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One source is p. 187 (or so) of Harry's Quantum Leaps, which I bough recently.
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ssibal Veteran user 352 Posts
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I still think the Erdnase description is probably the best.
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countrymaven Inner circle 1428 Posts
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Thanks to everyone. Wow, how blessed we are to have the Magic Café. all trite things aside, do you remember the early 80's when you could not ask for help on these type of things. well, you could at a magic club, but you were often not getting the best sources, etc. Wow, to have Harry help me out, I am very thankful. Also, Vlad, all of us at the Café should appreciate your passion for card magic. I resisted card magic for a while, but when I saw Blaine do nothing but card magic and blow away everyone on a tv show, I was corrected. Magic is magic. It doesn't matter what you do it with. But cards offer a huge amount of possibilities. thanks again to you all.
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countrymaven Inner circle 1428 Posts
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While I am waiting for the research from the brilliant Vlad,
I thank Bob G for referring me back to my Michael Close Workers. He explains that the bottom palm is a much more deceptive palm and the move and even stalling the actual palm are covered by the deck. This led me to come up with my bottom palm. It takes about half a second , no break needed and no little finger action. It is not because of my dexterity I developed up but likely because of my lack of extreme dexterity. I have tried to use the one handed top palm from Morphew but to me it is just way harder than what I developed. I would suggest everyone read Michael Close's arguments for the superiority of the bottom palm. I think some of you would be convinced. |
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Tim Cavendish Inner circle 1406 Posts
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On Oct 12, 2018, ssibal wrote: Erdnase was clear enough for me as well. |
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RandyHuynh New user 15 Posts
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I think you should buy 2 DVD from Korea Magician Yu Byong Hun called P Left & P Right DVD
here is trailer of 2 dvd https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1dBUpSP4Pw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=551rNAxBE8c |
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countrymaven Inner circle 1428 Posts
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The only part of Erdnase I like is when it tells how to hold out cards in the bottom palm while dealing. My bottom palm is instant, very little movement and the replacement is similar. I appreciate Erdnase, but I do not worship these overdramatic methods of bottom palming. They work, but have too much movement. I think it should be covered with a simple movement like a tiny spread, in my case, a tiny reverse spread, as in slightly moving the deck for a split second. It is over. No wonder why the bottom palm has been a hidden secret-- where has a great, simple, undetectable bottom palm been clearly described?
Earth to space, Vlad, I am hoping for your research but will check Hobbs too. I think like Hobbs, not with his brilliance but aim for a methodology or move that is repeatable, natural and is undetectable for spectators. I thank all of you. Because of you I don't plan to top palm much at all any more. doing the move and holding out, in an invisible way, wow that really makes my day. Joke of the day: in the metoo era, just because you can bottom palm, does not mean you can palm a bottom. |
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts
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One excellent option is Ben Earl's one handed bottom palm. It's difficult but if you put in the work it can APPEAR effortless. Here it is:
Steven Keyl - The Human Whisperer!
B2B Magazine Test! Best impromptu progressive Ace Assembly ever! "If you ever find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause, and reflect." --Mark Twain |
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littlethumbtip Regular user San Antonio, Texas 187 Posts
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John Carney also has excellent work on the bottom palm in his Carney On Palming DVD.
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Jerry Inner circle Some where in Florida 1409 Posts
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RandyHuynh, where can you purchase P.left and P. Right DVD's?
Is it dub or subtitled? |
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RandyHuynh New user 15 Posts
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Jerry : I purchase both dvd directly as download from author magician Yu Byong Hun
you can order dvd from korea magic shop http://wowmagicshop.co.kr/product/detail......_group=1 http://wowmagicshop.co.kr/product/detail......_group=1 |
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countrymaven Inner circle 1428 Posts
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Thanks so much Steven and littlethumbtip. Wow Steven, I think I will get Ben Earl's one handed bottom palm.
I have already worked out a two handed super fast and easy bottom palm. I wanted to clarify I mentioned the BOTTOM PALM, NOT a BOTTOM COP. I do not want to learn something that can be seen from the side in any way. A palm is well covered, not a cop, imho. The wonderful thing about a bottom palm is as Erdnase shows, that you can hold out invisibly, be covered by the deck and move it away instantly. So in the case of the bottom palm, you can do literal miracles that you simply cannot make as undetectable as a bottom palm/holdout. |
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Jerry Inner circle Some where in Florida 1409 Posts
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RandyHuynh, thank you for the link.
However it appears that both DVD titles are sold out. Dose Yu Byong Hun sell them directly? You stated that was how you obtained via instant download? |
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ShaunR New user 52 Posts
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Xavior Spade teaches the Earnest Earick version on his YouTube channel also
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