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Doctor Whoston Regular user Leeds, England 149 Posts |
Tomas,
I noticed the Hawk doesn't always work (when I tried to prove that it did work!). Does anyone know Max Maven's opinions on the problem? Maybe one is just supposed to play the percentages on this one. However, the chances of failing are quite high as you say. About 25% at a quick guess. As an out, one could use an invisible deck but that's a bit lame. DW |
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Cody Fisher Special user 884 Posts |
Sal Piacente's Memory Opener is awesome and can be adapted to fit the performer's style. It can be found on his Expert Card Magic Lecture Notes DVD's.
Cody |
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TomasB Inner circle Sweden 1144 Posts |
Doc, Max told me that he had a fix for it but not what the fix was. As I remember I found a solution myself a couple of years ago. Will try to recover the notes and PM the ideas to you if I find them.
/Tomas |
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Doctor Whoston Regular user Leeds, England 149 Posts |
Hi Tomas!
Thanks. Since I posted I emailed Max Maven and asked him - mainly because I have a fix involving three spectators. I did come up with some two spectator versions but they were ugly or achievable by simpler means. I'd still be interested to see your solutions. DW |
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TomasB Inner circle Sweden 1144 Posts |
DW and others that might be interested. This won't make any sense unless you are familiar with Max Maven's clever The Hawk.
A fix for The Hawk ------------------ Have the two spectators cut the deck repeatedly. Spectator 1 takes the top card and spectator 2 takes the next card. Both are asked to remember the cards. Ask spectator 1 to place his card on top of the deck and cut the deck as directed in "The Hawk", but just before he does, say "Oh wait, you might suspect that I caught a glimpse of the bottom card somehow. Please put the bottom card of the deck away in your pocket." He will pocket the bottom card then cut the deck after which you go through the rest of Max Maven's "The Hawk" to right after the shuffle. Ask spectator 2 to replace his card about a quarter from the bottom of the deck. You are set to complete "The Hawk". After you have gone through the routine and revealed the two selections, you can say "You really made it hard for me by putting that Five of Spades in your pocket!" /Tomas |
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hjelm Regular user Sweden, Borlänge 112 Posts |
... and any tricks with the Gilbreath principle without any playing cards?
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Doctor Whoston Regular user Leeds, England 149 Posts |
Hi hjelm,
Does using ESP cards count? DW |
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Doctor Whoston Regular user Leeds, England 149 Posts |
Tomas,
I don't see how this fixes the Hawk. Forget the cutting and taking of two cards we can model the problem by the following. Start with the Hawk set up. Remove say the fifth card from top and put it in a pocket. Now imagine a riffle shuffle that does not disturb the top 6 cards. Such a situation is possible in your method. See the problem? Maybe I'm missing something... DW |
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TomasB Inner circle Sweden 1144 Posts |
Doc, you are indeed missing something. You can't possibly find a case where what I suggested does not work. I'll try to explain why it works and can't fail since I don't quite see how the situation you describe can be reached from my instructions.
By removing the card below the first selection (it's the second selection which is put in the deck much later after the riffle shuffle) AND the card above it (in fact the face card of the deck) we have created a row of three cards of the same orientation in the deck where the middle card is the first spectator's selection. Now, imagine that middle card being of the opposite orientation instead. We'd then have an ordinary deck set up for Gilbreath and that card WILL be paired with a card of the opposite orientation after the shuffle, thanks to Gilbreath. But the selecton in fact has the opposite orientation in this case hence it will be paired with a card with excatly the _same_ orientation so we will indeed find it with the method Max Maven intended in "The Hawk". In short, if Gilbreath works, my solution works. And Gilbreath works. /Tomas |
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Doctor Whoston Regular user Leeds, England 149 Posts |
Sorry, yes indeed I did miss something: The bottom card is removed before the cut. I get it now. My apologies.
My solution uses three spectators and the same idea of having "three-in-a-row" cards. It should be fairly easy to deduce how to do this! Anyhow, yours is a good solution. I hadn't thought of getting the spectator to remove the bottom card. I did consider palming it off but once you are allowed to touch the deck in such a manner you may as well use a different (non-Gilbreath) method to achieve the effect. DW |
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DrunkTeam New user Argentina 1 Post |
Hello, I'm an amateur magician in Argentina, member of the CPI (Club Porteño de Ilusionismo), a bunch of Magic lovers, meeting once a week here in Buenos Aires.
I've been working on Max Maven's "The hawk" and reached an 80 percent of probability of success (20 out of 100 fails...). Has anyone tips or suggestions of a way to get closer to 100? Thanks |
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TomasB Inner circle Sweden 1144 Posts |
See "A Fix For the Hawk" on the previous page of this thread.
/Tomas |
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Midway New user 59 Posts |
Another vote for Mockingbird by Maven and Pointspread by Aronson.
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Bob_Hummer Special user 842 Posts |
Roy Walton has published some great ideas to do with this principle - My favourite would be 'Game Law' from the Second Volume of 'The Complete Walton'. In this effect, the spectator can riffle shuffle the deck TWICE...
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The Jack V.I.P. 228 Posts |
Viejo trolo, dedicate a hacer juegos para tu edad por eso solo alcanzas el 80%
HEHEHE el miercoles te veo |
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SSG New user 55 Posts |
Scott Cram is right:
Piacente's MEMORY OPENER absolutely KILLS!!! |
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Larry Barnowsky Inner circle Cooperstown, NY where bats are made from 4770 Posts |
For you Gilbreath fans, you'll find 3 unique effects using his principle in my new hardcover book, Kingdom of the Red. 240 pages (8 1/2 x 11) with over 450 b/w photos + a 95 minute DVD. Check it out by the link near my signature.
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apple123 Regular user 107 Posts |
Larry,
What percentage of your book concerns cards as this is what I mostly interested in? |
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Larry Barnowsky Inner circle Cooperstown, NY where bats are made from 4770 Posts |
Hi apple123,
About 2/3 of the book is cards and the rest, balls, coins, bills, ropes, rings, apparatus you can build, predictions etc. There is very easy stuff, average, and some challenging routines. I don't think you'll be disappointed. Larry |
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apple123 Regular user 107 Posts |
Thank you Larry.
I wish you every success with it. |
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