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Dick Christian
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Posted: Aug 24, 2008 5:38am
I bought a set of his coathangers from Mike Caveney shortly after he came out with the effect. In practicing with them I managed to damage/break the "key" hanger. I found a local metal worker who was able to fabricate a duplicate using 1/4" cold rolled steel. I had him make several sets which I then had nickel plated. I sent one set to Mike Caveney, gave one set to Fred Kaps and, as I recall, one set to Scotty York and kept one set for myself. Since they are made of steel they are virtually indestructable and have a "ring" to them -- not unlike a set of linking rings -- that the aluminum ones lack. I assume Mike still has the set I gave him, Scotty (if I remember correctly) likewise but have no idea whatever became of the set I gave to Fred Kaps.
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Bob Sanders
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Posted: Jun 26, 2009 7:35pm
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On 2004-08-03 14:54, Pete Biro wrote:
Well, here is the scoop.
I don't know the date of the Delben version, however... many years ago I stumbled onto a coat hangar in a department store that was made of aluminum and the material was almost 1/4-inch thick. I bought about a dozen of them.
Taking them home, I worked out a way to make an invisible-ish key, similar to Jerry Andrus' linking pin, hiding it in the curl of the hangar near the hook.
I made up three sets, gave one each to Fred Kaps and Terry Seabrooke, keeping one.
Caveney saw these and worked out his own routine, making up some of the same hangars, and I was told he literally bought out all he could from the manufacturer.
I understand that Richard Himber had made up some custom sets of stainless steel with a locking key, similar to his locking key linking ring set.
I kick myself daily for not marketing this first (Before Caveney) and not buying a 300SL Mercedes Gullwing that was offered to me for $7,000 (they now fetch well over $100,000).
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What people don't know is that Pete did buy a 1993 Jeep Grand Cherokee. As a result he is featured on page 24 of the AARP Magazine for July & August 2009!
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Sealegs
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Posted: Feb 22, 2010 12:29pm
I have a set of Caveney's Linking Coathangers and also have a set of these coathangers too.
They are made slightly differently from the Caveney ones, they are thinner and the hook part rotates, and as you can see from the link provided they allow for some quite different linking techniques.
I've played around pretty extensively with both sets and both have features that commend them.
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Roslyn
Inner circle
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Posted: Oct 19, 2011 7:16pm
Sorry to revive this thread yet again. But it seems fitting to post this here.
I've been looking at adding a linking coat hanger routine to my regular show and I've stumbled across these that are made in Australia. Anyone have any dealings with this guy before? I like the price, $60, but I'm unsure.
I'd love a set of Mike Caveney's hangers but they are a little on the pricey side at the moment.
Anyway, thanks in advance.
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Bill Palmer
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Posted: Oct 19, 2011 10:35pm
But they are a KNOCKOFF!!!! When you buy this cr@p, you are supporting theft. They are not made in Australia. They are made in China.
There is a copy of a Porper Strong Box on the big auction site right now that the fellow claims is not a copy, but is a "generic" one. BULLPUCKEY!!!! IT'S A KNOCKOFF!!!
He even has a copy of the Porper instructions with it.
Remember, every time you buy a cheap knockoff version of someone's trick, you are stealing from them.
The people that make these tricks, the originals, I mean, are actual human beings. They make at least part of their living from selling their ORIGINAL creations. Although Pete inspired the Caveney set, the routine Caveney does is his and his alone.
The thieves can rationalize these things many different ways, "It's not patented. Mine has the gaff on the other side of the doodad. Mine uses blue coathangers instead of silver ones."
In the final analysis, it's the same BULLPUCKEY that all the greedy losers are spouting.
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The great Gumbini
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Posted: Oct 20, 2011 12:10am
I echo Bills post. I would also add that you will find in most of these knock-offs you will get a much inferior product that will not be as well made. While the value of many magic props rises in time the knock-offs will not. You never go wrong with buying the original.
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Roslyn
Inner circle
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Posted: Oct 20, 2011 7:31pm
I understand and agree with buying (or not buying) knockoffs. However I completely forgot to put the link to his site. So as to not be accusing someone of something they've not done I feel I should just double check we're talking about the same guy: http://www.mrrexmagic.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&layout=blog&id=2&Itemid=5
Also, and this is a question to those who own Mike's set, have you ever had a problem with the thickness of the hanger?
They seem quite a bit thicker than regular hangers.
Many thanks,
Ros
Posted: Oct 21, 2011 3:13am
Just to update.
I emailed the online store above and although they're still available on his website he told me he no longer makes them. The key hanger in this instance was a locking key. Don't know if this is the same method as Mike's as I'm not familiar with the linking pins either.
One thing re theft.
Is it theft if someone creates a new method for the same effect or is that classed as something new?
And what constitutes a new method? How different would it have to be?
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Destiny
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Posted: Oct 23, 2011 8:01am
I have and use Mike Caveney's hangers and the thickness is no problem at all - they are after all real coathangers. Like most things, coathangers now come in many different sizes, thicknesses, colours and styles. They don't look like cheap wire hangers - they look like more substantial good quality hangers - which of course is what they are.
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Roslyn
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Posted: Oct 23, 2011 10:53am
Sounds great!
I think I'll be adding the hangers to next season's show.
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Pete Biro
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Posted: Nov 2, 2011 12:37pm
When I first devised my linking coat hangers, I made them from hangers I found in a store. Caveney bought the same ones, actually finding the manufacturer. So they are real coat hangers.
Size matters, thin wire one will not show up well... these are a good thickness for seeing well and durability.
I got an email today from a fella that bought a Chinese Copy of my Ghostly Linking Finger Ring. I hope it lasts a few days. I tested a copy of a couple of my items ripped off in China.... One broke on the third use.
They are so clever even duplicating our instruction sheets. I couldn't tell the fake from ours until I discovered the paper size was 1/8-inch smaller than our 8.5x11.
TRY TO NOT BUY COUNTERFEITS.
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Roslyn
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Posted: Nov 3, 2011 5:10am
Hi Pete,
Thanks for your post. Appreciate it.
I was wondering, having never bought anything counterfeit as far as I know, how you know that what's being sold by a dealer is the real deal?
If a counterfeiter is claiming a product is the genuine article how do you know they're telling the truth?
I know you could go direct to the creator, but if the creator doesn't live in your country and you find a supplier that is how would you know they're kosher?
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Carnac
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Posted: Mar 22, 2012 12:04am
I'll add a plug for Caveney's hangers. I've had mine for many years and have performed them hundreds of times. They are still wonderful. Most wonderful, of course is the routine. Perfectly perfect. No set up! No break down! Nothing to break! Great for all ages, etc. etc.
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Bill Palmer
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Posted: Apr 16, 2012 11:46am
The biggest advantage of Mike's hangers is that they are VISIBLE to the audience. The wire is no larger than the average stage size linking ring. Similar hangers are sold off and on at The Container Store, so they are not totally foreign to the audience.
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