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dking66
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Posted: Jan 5, 2005 11:44am
Anyone have any information on the Die Box... history or origin?
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Pete Biro
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Posted: Jan 15, 2005 2:15am
I invented it. Although I saw it a few dozen times before I invented it.
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Phil Pearce
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Dallas, GA
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Posted: Jan 16, 2005 4:57pm
Great help there, Mr. Biro. Thanks.
Phil
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tabman
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USA
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Posted: Jan 16, 2005 6:24pm
Henry Hay's _Amateur Magician's Handbook_ has some good info on the die box. This is an interesting question.
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mrmagic0
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Ron Frank
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Posted: Dec 20, 2011 11:57am
I am resurrecting this thread. I am curious if anyone knows the origins of this effect.
Ron
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Jonathan Townsend
Eternal Order
Ossining, NY
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Posted: Dec 20, 2011 10:56pm
? it dates back at least as far as Ponsin's book, Latest Tricks Revealed.
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Michael Baker
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Near a river in the Midwest
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Posted: Dec 20, 2011 11:29pm
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On 2011-12-20 22:56, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
? it dates back at least as far as Ponsin's book, Latest Tricks Revealed.
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Yes, and actually a pretty interesting method, too.
Carlton (real name Arthur Phelps) was probably responsible for the sucker routine popular today. He was also known as the "human hairpin".
~michael baker
The Magic Company
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Spellbinder
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Posted: Dec 20, 2011 11:53pm
As long as this came up again, I might as well ask if anyone knows of a prior use for a vertical die box. I think that I might have come up with the idea first, but it doesn't hurt to check around. My version has just been published on my site in The Wizards' Journal #22 as "Santa's Chimney" but I've come up with a lot of other uses for the concept besides Santa and a Chimney. What I would like to know, though, is if anyone knows a prior example of a vertical die box in the literature.
Professor Spellbinder
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Michael Baker
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Near a river in the Midwest
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Posted: Dec 21, 2011 12:45am
Spellbinder,
The only thing I can think that may be remotely similar would be Thayer's "Find The Lady Cubes". It has 3 vertical doors and is routined as a Monte effect.
~michael
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The Magic Company
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mrmagic0
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Ron Frank
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Posted: Dec 21, 2011 8:50am
Thanks to all.
Ron
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Spellbinder
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The Holy City of East Orange, NJ
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Posted: Dec 21, 2011 1:32pm
Thanks, Michael. That led me on an interesting journey back in time:
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/9995634
You are right, it is remotely similar, but would apply more to making a variation for the "Skeleton in the Closet" than for a die box variation. I may keep that one in mind for a future use, if I live that long. Thanks again for the memory.
Professor Spellbinder
Professor Emeritus at the Turkey Buzzard Academy of Magik, Witchcraft and Wizardry
http://www.magicnook.com
Publisher of The Wizards' Journals
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tobiaspepper
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Posted: Feb 5, 2012 9:17pm
I know a bit, though I can't back it up with references! I'm pretty sure the box with the front and top doors came first, and the front and back door version was invented by Goldston. It was certainly known as the Goldson Die Box, even by his rival dealers.
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Michael Baker
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Near a river in the Midwest
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Posted: Feb 7, 2012 9:56pm
I think the earlier version had doors only on the front, as the sliding was a complete inner chamber, and not just the block or the usual method. Reference the Ponsin book mentioned above. That's the earliest source I am aware of.
~michael baker
The Magic Company
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Jim Sparx
Inner circle
Far Out, Texas
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Posted: Mar 14, 2012 5:00pm
There is a thread here with some history info:
http://www.magicbunny.co.uk/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=41820
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Jim Sparx
Inner circle
Far Out, Texas
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Posted: Mar 22, 2012 11:08am
This from Magicpedia
http://geniimagazine.com/magicpedia/Die_Box
"On of the earliest description of a piece of apparatus that resembles the Die Box is that of the Shuttle Caddy. It was a two-door, two-compartment cabinet used to store China tea on one side and Ceylon tea on the other and is found in Nouvelle Magie Blanche Devoilee by Ponsin published in 1853.[1]
The four door sucker version was created by Alexander Davis and was being performed in the United States by 1886. Davis sold the manufacturing rights to Otto Maurer who began marketing it in 1887 as the "Most Wonderful Dice Trick". [2]
The most well known presentation, which many use today was created by Carlton (Arthur Philps) in 1907"
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