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Topic: Strength tests - Impossible to do, although look simple
Message: Posted by: gordo (Sep 16, 2002 11:30AM)
Just wondering if there are any books, articles, etc., on the strength test themes. I seem to remember one with a broom stick which looks easy but if done right, no one regardless of how strong could accomplish.

Thanks in advance, Gordo
Message: Posted by: tboehnlein (Sep 16, 2002 03:21PM)
Check out Barrie Richardson's "Theater of the Mind" for a cool effect with a piece of string.
Message: Posted by: gordo (Sep 16, 2002 03:45PM)
Hi again,

Thanks for that tboehnlein, I know in 'Magic for Dummies' there's also a short piece.

gord
Message: Posted by: Sid Mayer (Sep 16, 2002 08:30PM)
[i]Body Magic[/i] by John Fisher, published by Stein & Day is available in both hard cover and paperback. It contains more than 150 pages of physical effects including many of the "strength tests." Some of them could be built into feature items. All of them are things that a well rounded magician should know about. Check it out.

Sid
Message: Posted by: DavidKenney (Sep 16, 2002 10:51PM)
This might be an odd recommendation – but I would try the old books at your local library. The books I have that have “strength style” effects – have the old 50’s clip art in them. Which I can only assume was more popular back then.

Being that every library is different – it would be hard to give suggestions – I am sure that most of what I own is out of print.

On the flip side – don’t knock the web. I good search on google.com could reveal some gems,

Good luck,
Message: Posted by: CENDRE (Sep 17, 2002 08:30AM)
If you read French (Ok ! Ok ! Nobody read French...) there is a very good book :
"La Magie du Corps" (The Magic human Body, is an average translation) which contains a lot of effetcs like this. A lot of oldies but a lot of goodies !
Message: Posted by: appletruth (Sep 17, 2002 09:41AM)
Sid Mayer,
Is "Body Magic" readily available, I thought it was out of print. Does Stein & Day have a site? thanks :)
Message: Posted by: Missing_Link (Sep 17, 2002 11:33AM)
[quote]
On 2002-09-17 09:30, CENDRE wrote:
If you read French (Ok ! Ok ! Nobody read French...) [/quote]

Au contraire, je parle Francais...

My high school had a copy of body magic - it was one of the first magic books I read. Highly recommend it for something a bit different.

ML :clownjuggling:
Message: Posted by: CENDRE (Sep 18, 2002 03:38AM)
Aaaah ! I recognize in this old frendship between Scotland and France :)

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

I went 2 two times in Scotland in past years (for a total of 1 month), and I love your country. That's true, It's a real pleasure for a storyteller and bizarre magician to visit such a unbelievable country. Maybe it was because I was a bizarre tourist, but I felt the mystery deeply rooted in Scotland and was a big source of inspiration for me.

I will go back to Scotland, maybe this year, I hope to feel this again.

I apologize for this digression...

See you soon Missing_Link,
Message: Posted by: Missing_Link (Sep 18, 2002 08:06AM)
...to the return the compliment, I've been to France several times in recent years. I was in Paris during the '98 World Cup and had a fantastic time. My mother also taught French. There is, of course, the Auld Alliance pub in Paris which celebrates the historical links between our two countries. :cheers:

Back to the topic, do any of the books recommended so far (excluding Body Magic) include tearing a phone directory in half?

ML
Message: Posted by: Sid Mayer (Sep 18, 2002 11:32AM)
Appletruth,

I don't know if [i]Body Magic[/i] is out of print. I've had my copy for some time. The copyright dates are 1979 for the hard cover version and 1980 for the Scarborough Books soft cover.

To find web sites (or almost anything else on the web) try the advanced search function on http://www.google.com.

Sid
Message: Posted by: promethee (Oct 12, 2002 10:11AM)
[quote]
On 2002-09-17 09:30, CENDRE wrote:
If you read French (Ok ! Ok ! Nobody read French...) there is a very good book :
"La Magie du Corps" (The Magic human Body, is an average translation) which contains a lot of effetcs like this. A lot of oldies but a lot of goodies !
[/quote]
"La magie du corps" is the translation of Fisher's "Body Magic", so you don't have to read french ... mais c'est toujours utile pour lire les ouvrages de bizarre magick de Christian Chelmann!
Message: Posted by: Thoughtreader (Oct 12, 2002 06:54PM)
Read all you can about Lulu Hearst also known as the Georgia Magnet. You will find some of her "tests" in The Jinx as well as in her autobiography.

PSIncerely Yours,
Paul Alberstat
Message: Posted by: Ted Lesley (Oct 13, 2002 03:01AM)
I saw Paul Daniels perform a few of the "tests" you mentioned in one of his TV specials. One of the tricks was hilarious. Paul had an umbrella placed on his palms and a well know English boxer was asked, to lift the thing.....and the big man wasn´t able to do that. The umbrella broke.....it looked very, very good.

TED LESLEY :bat:
Message: Posted by: qkeli (Oct 15, 2002 01:06PM)
I saw that trick with the umbrella and I found it amazing. Paul Daniels kept on dancing with one hand on the umbrella while the other guy was trying to push over the umbrella!

Great magic!
Message: Posted by: theologian (Oct 16, 2002 08:21AM)
Hi to all,
You can try to read:
Necromatic Aerobics in New Invocation April 1987. You will find a fantastic strength test.
Maskelyn Ye Mage's "Ring of Protection"

The Change by Bruce Barnet in New Invocation April 1989.
You can also use "Can't Tear Paper"for your stength test.
Pax Vobiscum
Theologian
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Message: Posted by: eric2104 (Nov 1, 2002 07:54AM)
Hi
You may also check Ormond McGill's Real Mental Magic (Hades Publications, Inc.).
In the Chapter 7, dedicated to "Mind-over-Body Magic", many strength feats are explained...
Good luck.
Eric.
:kewl:
Message: Posted by: spook (Nov 2, 2002 08:02PM)
[quote]
On 2002-10-16 09:21, theologian wrote:
Hi to all,
You can try to read:
Necromatic Aerobics in New Invocation April 1987. You will find a fantastic strength test.

[/quote]

Hah! I wrote that dang thing! 15 years later I have a WAY different perspective on the effect...As written it used a heavily gimmicked book that gushed out smoke which supposedly enabled the scrawny mage (me) to be infused with great strength. Talk about overkill. The emphasis ended up on the stupid book and not the powers I supposedly derived from it. Now I do the same thing, but simply hold my hand over a scrap of paper on which I've scribbled some mystic hoo-hah.

What we're talking about is this: the mage makes a circle with his thumb and index finger and when held over the sacred writings (or relic or bone or whatever) even the burliest of spectators can't pry it apart. When the item is removed, the supernatural strength is gone and the fingers are easily pulled apart.

How does it work? You ain't even gonna believe it. It really IS mind over matter. This is an application of an Eastern concept called 'chi', used in martial arts among other philosophies. The secret is to imagine, actually picturing it in your mind, that the circle made of your two fingers is actually an iron ring of the same size. Yes, it really works, but you have to really put yourself into it and BELIEVE that it is going to work. I promise you that if this is done it is way, way more effective than strength alone. You can practice it right now with a friend. Just form a circle with your thumb and index finger and challenge them to pull it apart. They probably will. Now do it again, only this time imagining and iron ring instead of your fingers, really seeing it in your mind's eye, and they won't be able to budge it. I know it sounds flaky as crap. But it works. Well.

The rest is all hoodoo and flap and floo. Tell the spectator that whatever totem you show contains diabolical powers of untapped strength and blah, blah, blah. You have to act, of course, and that's the tough part.
:devilish:
Message: Posted by: CENDRE (Nov 8, 2002 04:52AM)
Your iron ring seems to good to be true !

But I will try spook because if it works as you say, it as wonderful application !

Just a question Spook : Have you ever try to have a spectator make the ring ?

In fact, I wonder if we couldn't have a gem (if this effect works of course) if we can make a spectator do the ring with his own fingers and then :

* someone try to pull them appart : he success
* you "hypnotize" the spectator (or you use the presentation you want) to make him imagine an iron ring and then... We can't separate his fingers !

If it works, we have here a very good impromptu effect !!!!!

See you soon,
Message: Posted by: banshee (Nov 9, 2002 12:36PM)
I do a strength test where i get a strong guy or even two to grab me and lift me off the ground,then i stare at them in their eyes and tell them they no longer have the strength to lift me.They try but it is impossible even to get my feet off the floor.This is very similar to what Derren Brown did in his mind control show.The principle behind this is one that i leart through practicing martial arts but is very simple to do.If anyone wants it e-mail me.
Message: Posted by: CENDRE (Nov 11, 2002 07:28AM)
[quote]
On 2002-11-02 21:02, spook wrote:
What we're talking about is this: the mage makes a circle with his thumb and index finger and when held over the sacred writings (or relic or bone or whatever) even the burliest of spectators can't pry it apart. When the item is removed, the supernatural strength is gone and the fingers are easily pulled apart.
[/quote]

It works !!!!
Spook ! Thank you for this illusion. It's very effective and I surprised more than one friend with it. I will probably try to use it in one of my stories (in the future).
Actually, I tried to do a double test (you do this effect, then a spect do this effect) and it's very effective !

Thank you Spook,
Message: Posted by: John Nesbit (Nov 11, 2002 03:44PM)
Perhaps Ormond McGill was on to "something" when he titled that book "Real Mental Magic".
(As opposed to "Hoo Doo, Flap and Floo") !
Lol :rotf: I like the ideas around "Chi",
(look into "prana" too). There's more too this than meets the eye, don't you think ?
Message: Posted by: spook (Nov 15, 2002 05:15PM)
I have not tried coaxing a spectator to imagine the iron ring but it sounds like a great idea! Obviously you'd have to have a second spectator do the prying apart or you'd be accused of faking it. I bet it would make a great "explanation" for the rest of the devious crap we do!

Banshee's strength test reminds me of something I used to do in grade school. I'd have folks lift me and then "imagine" myself heavy while simultaneously relaxing every muscle I could. Bang, I'd suddenly drop. Is this what Derren Brown does? Another similar thing I used to do as a kid was "will" my pupils to contract and expand. No, it had nothing to do with light sources, I just...did it. I haven't thought of this in years. I gotta see if I can still do it! If so I think I have a new effect to doctor and play with.

John, I think "Hoodoo, Flap and Floo" would be a lovely title. I can see a great question answering act where the envelope is opened and the question reads "Charles Nelson Reilly, a cat door and influenza."

Hll hll!