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Topic: Coins across with [
Message: Posted by: jolyonjenkins (Jan 27, 2005 10:07AM)
Any recommendations for a Coins Across using a [? I believe that David Roth has one, but his book is out of print. Not very keen on buying another DVD - prefer books.

Bobo has a very simple one which would do the trick, but it's really the same move done three times.

Dan Watkins has a routine whereby it's apparently all done in the spectator's hand, which sounds good. It apparently uses a gimmick, which I guess may be a [, but maybe not!

The reason for wanting to use a [, by the way, is that I've just got one! I can do Ammar's gaffless "simple" version, but it uses rather a lot of implausible false transfers and putting the coins on the table for no good reason.
Message: Posted by: cloneman (Jan 27, 2005 10:32AM)
Check out Dean Dill's videos for on the mat coins accross.
Message: Posted by: W.F. Lewis (Jan 27, 2005 10:56AM)
Try H&R magic.
I believe they have a David Roth lecture note for 10 or fifteen dollars.
You could call them and ask if his coins across is in it.
Message: Posted by: owen.daniel (Jan 27, 2005 10:56AM)
A great routine is Paul Gertner's variation of Roth's routine...It is in his book Steel and Silver. Certainly worth looking into.
Message: Posted by: David Nelson (Jan 27, 2005 04:40PM)
A while ago I was on a similar search myself so I went through my library and studied all the shelled coins across I had access too. I decided that I like Roger Klause's routine from his book, In Concert, the best. He has a lot of subtleties that make it look and feel really clean. Besides that, the routine is constructed so that the repetiveness of a coins across routine is minimized. The first coins goes cleanly across, the second has a sucker bit which heightens the drama and heightens the conviction when the coin does actually travel and the third coin (it's only a 3 coin routine) goes into the spectator's closed hand.

I've since tweaked it a bit to make it more naturally fit my style but I still use several of Roger's subtleties and his method for making the final coin travel. As with everything Roger does, it's really well thought out and you'd be hard pressed to find any need for improvement. My current version isn't an improvement, only a variation.

Message: Posted by: Cpontz (Jan 27, 2005 06:06PM)
I'm in the process of learning Derek Dingle's coins across. It can be found in Harry Lorayne's Apocalypse (the first book of the series). It also ends up with the last transfer into the spectator's hand. If you get the book, there are tons of other great material from some of the best names in magic.

Message: Posted by: billfromoregon (Jan 27, 2005 06:08PM)
Doug Brewer has a nice routine in his 'Unexpected Visitor' book - nice subtleties and not as repetitive as many of the versions out there (I have different versions for this depending on the situation). This is a great book for the walk-around performer, loaded with effects that you can actually use (all audience tested and practical). I have ordered Dan's book, and after I receive it, I will post my thoughts on his version here. I am sure it would be worthwhile to have the Klause version, and Roth's book is worth having, as there is a ton of material in there. Good luck -

Message: Posted by: Paul Sherman (Jan 27, 2005 06:20PM)
If you want a really visual one (that's unfortunately also hard to get ahold of) check out Homer Liwag's "Four Coins and a Filipino" in Magic Man Examiner #1.

I also heartily endorse Paul Gertner's "Familiar Ring".

Message: Posted by: owen.daniel (Jan 28, 2005 02:09AM)
I forgot to mention the Klause routine. I have spent some time practicing this, and I think that it is above the others as it uses only three coins. It has the disadvantage of not happening, quite so in the hands, as "Familiar Ring", but it is still a very strong routine if you are using a [.
Message: Posted by: Brian Proctor (Jan 28, 2005 02:25AM)
I have been trying so hard to find Magic Man Examiner 1. Everytime I see it for sale, I am one step behind and it is sold before I can blink. I agree, the most visual coins across that I have ever seen is Mr. Liwag's 4 coins and a Filipino. I have tried working out my own way of accomplishing the effect, but it comes nowhere near the beauty of his routine.
Message: Posted by: El Mystico (Jan 28, 2005 05:38AM)
Larry Jennings has a similar routine to the Dingle one in his Classics. It is the one I use.
Message: Posted by: Uli Weigel (Jan 28, 2005 07:17AM)
I second El Mystico's recommendation. If you prefer books, get "The Classic Magic of Larry Jennings" by Mike Maxwell. The coins across routine in the book using a [ is called "Peripatetic Coins", which is very similar to the Roth Routine. Very clean, and the last coin travels from your hand into the spectator's hand.
Message: Posted by: Dan Watkins (Jan 28, 2005 08:21AM)
My "Coinvention Crossing" from [url=http://www.coinvanish.com/coinvanishvol2.html]Coinvanish Vol. 2[/url] and will be on the COINvention DVD whenever that comes out, uses one of the phases of Homer's "4 Coins and a Filipino". It is basically [url=http://home.comcast.net/~dwatkins74/3wayXing.wmv]"Three Way Crossing"[/url] from my website (also in the book) modified to be a more visual handling and incorporate the phase where you throw a coin across, but then it looks like it never went.

Three Way Crossing was my attempt to show [b]both[/b] hands to contain the proper amount of coins both before and after the coins go across. I think it is a very clean 3 coin closed coins across.
Message: Posted by: jolyonjenkins (Jan 28, 2005 11:06AM)
Dan, do you use a [ in Three Way Crossing?
Message: Posted by: Dan Watkins (Jan 28, 2005 12:26PM)
I really don't want to get into the methods publicly.

Check your PM.
Message: Posted by: jolyonjenkins (Jan 28, 2005 03:56PM)
I know I started this with asking for gimmicked versions, but I'm quite taken with this non-gimmicked version, which neatly avoids false transfers


Not at all sure how to get a coin invisibly out of Tenkai. Any advice welcome
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Jan 28, 2005 07:06PM)
On 2005-01-27 11:07, rjenkins wrote:

Bobo has a very simple one which would do the trick, but it's really the same move done three times.



Specifically, which trick in Bobo's are you speaking of here?
Message: Posted by: sleightofhander (Jan 28, 2005 08:34PM)
I've been working on Coinvention Crossing and I will say it's the most challenging and ballzy coins across I've come across. It has great potential if you can get it down 100% of the time.
Message: Posted by: David Eichler (Jan 28, 2005 09:09PM)
John Born has a wonderful matrix effect which may be of interest to look at. It is in a spiral-bound book called Matrix God's Way, and is available from Steven's Magic in Wichita, Kansas. His book shows quite a few different variations, as well as altogether different matrix/coins across effects.
Message: Posted by: jolyonjenkins (Jan 29, 2005 03:14AM)
MB217: I'm thinking of The Peregrinating Halves (p273 of the Dover edition). It lacks variety, to my mind.
Message: Posted by: Magius (Jan 29, 2005 04:39AM)
Erm... implausible False Transferrs? Perhaps in your hands. I personally think Friction Palm is easier to do well than Han Ping Chein, for example.
Message: Posted by: jolyonjenkins (Jan 29, 2005 06:17AM)
Well I am sure my false transfers could be improved, but what I mean is that there is no good reason (in the spectator's mind) for the coins to be continually put in one hand, then the other, put down, picked up etc. And it is bound to lead, rightly, to suspicion.

I first wanted to learn coins across because I saw someone do it without (so far as I could see) any of this fidgety behaviour. I think he used a [.

I like the ungaffed one I posted because it minimises these dodgy-looking moves, without having to use a [. Although it does use a kind of Han Ping Chien, which is a pretty strange move, looked at objectively.

(And I accept, of course, that dodginess is partly a function of the performer's skill, as well as a quality of the moves themselves)
Message: Posted by: Dan Watkins (Jan 29, 2005 09:20AM)
Actually rjenkins, using a gaff often eliminates what you call doginess. Roth's coins across is one of the most straightfoward versions available using a [.
Message: Posted by: jolyonjenkins (Jan 29, 2005 10:21AM)
Dan, I agree - I was perhaps expressing myself badly again. I meant that of the ungaffed ones, those that avoid lots of false transfers seem better to me.
Message: Posted by: Jim Stan Magic Man (Jan 29, 2005 10:23AM)
I also vote for Matrix God's Way from John Born. I purchased his book with the performance cd. There are some awesome routines in there.
Message: Posted by: foolsnobody (Jan 30, 2005 01:15AM)
Earl Nelson has a shelled coins across in Variations that I thought I might play with again after all these years. Anyone here that knows it, what do you think of it?
Message: Posted by: Loz (Jan 30, 2005 05:44AM)
Just been playing with Jennings Peripatetic coins and its very nice. 3 coins cleanly across, 4th coin to the spectator's hand, and you can end clean, all 4 non-gaffs in the specs hand, heat off you to ditch.
Message: Posted by: green4magic (Jan 30, 2005 08:14PM)
I use David Roth's routine with the [ daily in all kinds of performance situations and get a great spectator reaction with never a ditch problem.

Everyone is looking at the coins in the spectator's hand!