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Topic: One is the Onliest....Problem?
Message: Posted by: MxJoKeR (Feb 4, 2005 02:49PM)
OK, so I REALLY want to do this trick, but I keep on running into problems. The first problem of finding an "asprin tin" has been solved, because even though I didn't find one, I can use a tiny altoids tin. Second problem, and I know I should have thought of this before, but what do you do with the 'new' quarters? (For those of you who don't do the trick it works kinda like a Kaps card in box so the different quarters throw off the trick). I've thought of a few different ways to get around this, but none that really satisfy me yet. So, do any of you guys have any ideas?
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Feb 4, 2005 03:12PM)
I use a plastic aspirin container with a slide-out drawer; you have to trim off the stop inside the lid to be able to take the drawer out all the way.

I never borrow a quarter for the routine; I use my own half-dollar. As long as they put their initials on it, there's no reason that the coin needs be borrowed. Also, halves are bigger, and hence easier to see.
Message: Posted by: Paul Sherman (Feb 4, 2005 03:13PM)
Just have the coin marked on the tails side and have the coin in the tin head-side up.
Message: Posted by: benscholz99 (Feb 4, 2005 03:41PM)
But isn't the heads side different too?

Message: Posted by: Craig Ousterling (Feb 4, 2005 03:44PM)
Yes, instead of the date on the bottom of the front the new quarters say "quarter dollar"

But do to that fact the coin has aspirin/altoids randomly scattered on it, you can get away with it. The total burn time on the coin in the tin is about 1 second before the "dump". So the minor discrepancy will go unoticed.

Message: Posted by: fonda57 (Feb 4, 2005 04:19PM)
I really do not think anyone will notice anything about the new coins. They're not going to be paying closley scrutinized attention to detail. Just have fun.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Feb 4, 2005 04:22PM)
If they are LOOKING THAT CLOSELY and you expect them to...

why not have 40 tins and pick the tin after THEY produce the quarter

Message: Posted by: wespetty (Feb 4, 2005 04:27PM)
The solution to this little problem is the same as the solution for "what if they had me a NEW quarter when doing cig. thru Quarter, what if they give me a NEW quarter when doing quarter in the bottle, what if they give me a NEW twenty dollar bill before I change it to 2 old ten dollar bills or vice versa", etc.

You should already have another trick in mind that you will do IF the coin/bill doesn't match what is required. Remember the old "don't tell your audience what you are going to do beforehand" rule? Whose to say that you took the "left fork in the road" rather than the "right fork in the road" that you had intended?

For example, you could be PREPARED to do signed coin to nest of boxes (brass)where it wouldn't matter. If you don't want to take the time to be prepared (for SOME other trick with their coin/bill), then shame on you. However, you can always do things like coin in pen cap if you find it too troublesome to carry other things (like brass boxes) with you. Don't want to be prepared enough to carry two TT, one for new bills and one for old? Learn an ungaffed pencil/pen through bill effect.
As long as you do something, anything, with their money it will be viewed as a "success" in their mind(s).

Cheers, Wes
Message: Posted by: Craig Ousterling (Feb 4, 2005 05:05PM)
Hopefully I'm picking up on Jon's hint....

So instead of asking someone for a quarter... you could pull a handful out of your own pocket and have a spectator choose one of yours. Then they initial it and you proceed with the effect.

Message: Posted by: wespetty (Feb 4, 2005 08:13PM)
No Craig,

I don't think that's QUITE what Jonathan was saying. LOL

Why on Earth would you carry 40 different tins preped for 40 different quarters AND then carry all 40 quarters YOURSELF??? LOL

IF you actually had 40 preped tins on you, you wouldn't need one of YOUR quarters... you'd be set to use ANY quarter THEY gave you. Umm... not that he was really advocating you carry around 40 DIFFERENT TINS. Pretty sure that was just said in jest, right Jonathan?

I'd still advice knowing some other trick (where the particular coin doesn't matter) as I advised in my post earlier. However, if you REALLLLLY wanted to have multiple tins set up and multiple quarters amongst the pocket change in your pocket, I'd say that 5 or so different quarters/tins would adequately convey the randomness idea that "any coin could have been used". Ever consider just doing the effect with a NICKEL instead of a QUARTER? That would EASILY eliminate the "oh no, which state is it?" problem.

Cheers, Wes
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Feb 4, 2005 08:17PM)
I was advocating carrying about 10 tins. You can direct the volunteer to different coins with just a little prompting, oops how about using just your initials ... lots of ways. Not a big problem to table the tin AFTER the coin is selected and you go for a pen.

The use of a nickle is good for now, though makes the marking and the vanish more important. Perhaps the bit where you drop a coin into a glass of water would be appropriate?
Message: Posted by: sleightofhander (Feb 4, 2005 08:40PM)
Now they are coming out with state nickels. :spinningcoin:
Message: Posted by: wespetty (Feb 4, 2005 08:48PM)
Sadly, you would have to not only carry 10 (or 40) tins... you'd have to carry that many shoe polish cans, envelopes, cloth bags, etc. etc.

Jonathan, "One is the Onliest" is a "coin to nest of boxes" concept. The asprin tin happens to be the last "box" that the signed coin is found inside of, so carrying many of these set up is just totally impractical IMHO. It's not as simple as just laying the tin on the table. You must've not realized that the routine is a "nest of boxes" type routine (as opposed to the standard Kaps Card to Box idea). The BAG needs to already be in view from the outset.

I think it's best to just HOPE for an old style quarter and IF you get one of the state quarters just be prepared to do an alternate effect. No sense in being so Hades bent on doing a particular effect that you now have to carry up to [b]51[b/] different bags! Each with a shoe polish can inside, with an envelope inside that, and then an asprin tin inside of that! Come on, I do magic in the real world. Having ONE of these set up is enough preparation... who is going to carry a briefcase full of them just to do ONE effect??? LMAO!

Cheers, Wes
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Feb 4, 2005 08:57PM)
Oops, sorry folks I was thinking about the Kaps trick and forgot about the rest of the stuff.
Message: Posted by: wespetty (Feb 4, 2005 09:05PM)
On 2005-02-04 21:40, sleightofhander wrote:
Now they are coming out with state nickels. :spinningcoin:

Oh LORD! The U.S. Federal government insists on making magician's lives difficult!

So, now what, we have to start using DIMES????

To spectator:
"Yeah, I know it's small and you can BARELY make out your initials on that dime, but the U.S. Mint has made my life a living Hell!"
Message: Posted by: MxJoKeR (Feb 5, 2005 01:14AM)
I have some "back up" tricks that I could use, or I could use my own quarters but is it hard to get the initials off...I'm sure you can but is it convenient? I don't know it doesn't seem that bad but I'm kinda not wanting to carry a pocket full of quarters. I think I'll probibly just put it in face up...an old one...and if it's a new one just not show it very long....has anybody actually DONE this? I'm glad for all the ideas but some real world feedback might help us out.

Here are some other things I've thought of... Putting a small sticker on the tails side and have the spec put a mustache on ol' George. You guys can figure out the merits there and post back if you think its good.