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Topic: Star Wars And Star Trek
Message: Posted by: Magicman0323 (Dec 14, 2001 12:02PM)
Ok all, now don’t get me wrong, I too own the complete Star Wars collection, however I don’t really see the big deal about them. Now sure the special effects are cool and all, but I mean I know several people that can name [b]everything[/b] about Star Wars. But I just cannot see the fascination.



Another big deal that I must be missing the point of is Star Trek, Now I have watched this show a few times too, but again I must be missing something because it just doesn’t do anything for me.



Now I know that we have some hard-core Star fans in here, and I would like to hear your opinion on which is better and why? I guess I’m just not seeing something that everyone else is seeing. :eek:



Looking forward: to seeing the posts about this. :cool:



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Message: Posted by: Steve Brooks (Dec 14, 2001 01:03PM)
Hey Magicman,

movies and television shows are like books, not everyone enjoys the same ones. Pretty simple I would say.



While I’m no expert, my magical knowledge is quite extensive. I have friends that enjoy a trick now and again, but do not see what I’m so obsessed about. From their point of view: ’Sure I like magic, but everyday? I just don’t understand you Steve’



See the simple analogy? To each his own.

And hey, if it doesn’t do anything for you, do not torture yourself by watching it.

By the way, I enjoy both Star Trek and Star Wars. Of course, I like science fiction anyway. :wavey:



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Life is not a problem to be solved...

but a mystery to be lived.
Message: Posted by: Magicman0323 (Dec 14, 2001 02:06PM)
Steve of course I had the logic going into this post, I mean I'm a super huge wrestling fan, and of course not everyone likes it. I'm just trying to gain some Star insight if ya know what I mean.

:) :idea:
Message: Posted by: Burt Yaroch (Dec 15, 2001 10:07AM)
I'm a huge fan of both. I think I became a bigger Star Wars fan because it was more collectible so I was drawn further into it. That's the only reason I could offer as to why I prefer it.



As to why I enjoy it so much, I think it's the expanse of it. You would be hard pressed to find another movie that has spawned a complete universe unto itself. Lucas has kept his thumb on every aspect of its creation, from the games to the novels to make a consistant and unbroken chain of characters and events.



It might have alot to do with certain age groups as well. I find alot of people who were seven-year-olds when it was first released got sucked in. How could you not? There are not many movies I really recall seeing from a childhood memory stand point. I can't remember the theater I saw Jaws in. But I still remember walking back to the car with my Dad and my brother after Star Wars. :shrug:
Message: Posted by: Magicman0323 (Dec 15, 2001 10:16AM)
Thats a good memory to have, I remember my first trip to the ocean after watching Jaws. I was the only one brave enough (dumb enough) to dive into the waves without a second thought. :rotf:
Message: Posted by: Stephen Long (Dec 16, 2001 02:16PM)
Star Wars - one of the greatest tales ever to be told.

It is simply the ultimate story, you’ve got action, drama, comedy, romance [b]all[/b] rolled into one.



But Star Trek - the next generation, I am addicted to.

The intricate and entertaining plots never cease to entertain me.



I can see why people wouldn’t find them interesting, I suppose, when I first watched Star Wars my initial response was,

"What’s all the fuss about?"

Then I realized you have to go deeper.

Look beneath the surface to the message it contains for all of us - be nice.



Gonz :crazydude:



_________________

"Always remove the deck from its case before attempting a shuffle."

- Paul Harris
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jun 18, 2008 07:17PM)
In comparing the two, Star Trek is much, much better because in Star Wars they solve their problems by fighting whereas in TREK they solve problems by peaceful and mutual cooperation.
Message: Posted by: rawdawg (Jun 18, 2008 07:40PM)
Star Wars is cooler because that particular universe is filled with card cheats.
Message: Posted by: Scott Cram (Jun 18, 2008 07:46PM)
Choose your comparison standard, and you'll find the Trek vs. Wars battle has been fought many a time on the net.

Just for fun:
[url=http://webtwee.net/images/space_comparison_chart_huge.jpeg]Ship size comparison[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNxhrPaaCA4]Enterprise-D encounters the Death Star[/url]
[url=http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/FiveMinutes.html]Star Wars vs Star Trek in Five Minutes[/url]
[url=http://smackinthecrack.com/post/2008/01/Geeks-r-Us.aspx]The only truly correct answer[/url]

[quote]
On 2008-06-18 20:17, Orville_Smith wrote:
In comparing the two, Star Trek is much, much better because in Star Wars they solve their problems by fighting whereas in TREK they solve problems by peaceful and mutual cooperation.
[/quote]

Of course they do. Remember, Star Wars happened a long, long, time ago, while Star Trek takes place roughly 400 years from now.
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Jun 18, 2008 08:11PM)
Obviously the death star would beat up the borg cube, duh...
Message: Posted by: CJRichard (Jun 18, 2008 08:15PM)
Star Trek started as a 60's TV show and did not really have the immediate popular impact that Star Wars did.

Trek was production line TV. Small screen. Broadcast TV before everyone had color sets and when reception could be iffy. And for the big money-spending demographic of the day, TV was "just TV." It's popularity grew slowly, mostly after it had gone out of production. Many, many more TV watchers were still watching stuff like Bonanza or the Beverly Hillbillies.

Star Wars was a big screen film with the latest special effects at a time when going to the movies was still a pretty big deal. The money-spending demographic was getting younger and this summer blockbuster captured their imaginations in a way few movies had at that time. People in their teens and twenties were lining up to see it over and over.

And even today, when both have longstanding devotees, I think Star Wars has probably far outearned Star Trek.

And nobody in Trek ever came close to the stardom that Harrison Ford built out of Star Wars.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jun 18, 2008 08:59PM)
Knowledge without responsibility - and some admiration from others who confuse trivia with wisdom or pertinent knowledge.

Besides - everybody wants to wear boots with their pajamas and watch billions suffer as one guy does a bad job of working out his oedipal complex.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Jun 18, 2008 10:16PM)
I like "Trek" and "Wars," but then, I liked "Blake's 7!"
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jun 19, 2008 04:33AM)
There's discussion of bringing Blake's 7 back for a couple of episodes/movies.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Jun 19, 2008 10:26AM)
They were supposed to bring Paul Darrow back as well, but the negotions fell through. Apparently, he didn't like where the storyline was going.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Jun 19, 2008 05:55PM)
While I like both, the constant fighting and gunboat diplomacy of Wars takes a back seat to my love of the hope and "thinking man" solutions often encountered in trek.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jun 19, 2008 09:26PM)
I like trek, but can escape the way it presumes capitalism will go away and the communists will win as per Marx - note the Red uniforms of command and the arguments about "inevitability" of their agenda - barring conquest by the less fashion conscious Borg or the Shapeshifter collective which gave up any sense of corporeal individuality or interference by the Q which have gotten bored and look for distractions.

Nobody gonna stick up for the Dune model or that described in Frank Herbert's BuSab stories (Dosadi Experiment, Whipping Star, Tactful Saboteur) or ... how about Alastair Reynold's Revelation Space vision of the future?

Maybe it's all about those boots and pajamas?
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Jun 19, 2008 11:18PM)
[quote]
On 2008-06-19 22:26, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
I like trek, but can escape the way it presumes capitalism will go away and the communists will win as per Marx - note the Red uniforms of command
[/quote]

Um, geek moment here. Command wears "gold" (which appeared green in some photographs). Science wears "blue" (Spock and McCoy) and Ships Services wore "red" (Uhura and Scotty.)

Oh wait! You're talking "Next Generation" aren't you?

[quote]
and the argumetns about "inevitability" of their agenda - barring conquest by the less fashion conscious Borg or the Shapeshifter collective which gave up any sense of corporeal individuality or interference by the Q which have gotten bored and look for distractions.

Nobody gonna stick up for the Dune model or that described in Frank Herbert's BuSab stories (Dosadi Experiment, Whipping Star, Tactful Saboteur) or ... how about Alastair Reynold's Revelation Space vision of the future?

Maybe it's all about those boots and pajamas?
[/quote]

...and tiny little mini-skirts!
Message: Posted by: MagiClyde (Jun 19, 2008 11:57PM)
First of all, don't forget that in the original Star Trek, red shirts were meant to be killed off rather quickly under Kirk's command.

Kirk: Crewman, there's a strange anomaly over there. Go check it out

Crewman: Yes, Sir! (walks to where the anomaly is) Captain, I'm getting some unusual readings that appear to be moving in this direction...AARGHHH!!!


All joking aside, Star Trek and Star Wars were products of their times.

Star Trek was first created in the era of Vietnam, the hippie movement, and civil unrest. It was a show that strived to show humanity at a stage where people worked together for the greater good and in harmony with the technology that we had created. It also tried to address the issues of the day in a way that was relevent. An interesting trick in light of censorship rules at the time. Ironically, the original Star Trek was one of the most "politically correct" shows of its day, but CBS Distribution, in an effort to "modernize" the series, not only bumped up the special effects, but tried to make it more "politically correct" by removing some of the "racial" statements from the show, which were relevent at the time the series was first aired.

As for Star Wars, the big draw, besides the incredible special effects of the time, was the fact that people wanted, even ached, to connect with something greater than themselves. Another great example of this was the following that developed around the book "Jonathan Livingston Seagull." The concept of "the force" and the movie's use of truly heroic and evil characters and myths that were larger than life were great draws for many.
Message: Posted by: Scott Cram (Jun 20, 2008 12:27AM)
[quote]
On 2008-06-20 00:57, clynim wrote:
First of all, don't forget that in the original Star Trek, red shirts were meant to be killed off rather quickly under Kirk's command.

Kirk: Crewman, there's a strange anomaly over there. Go check it out

Crewman: Yes, Sir! (walks to where the anomaly is) Captain, I'm getting some unusual readings that appear to be moving in this direction...AARGHHH!!!
[/quote]

It did get to be a bit predictable when Kirk, Spock, McCoy and "Ensign Ricky" (whom you've never seen before) would beam down to a planet. Gee, which one do you think is going to be killed?
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Jun 20, 2008 12:02PM)
I've got a bad feeling about this... :)

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Leland Stone (Jun 20, 2008 03:27PM)
Star Trek: Watchable fun, occasionally insightful social commentary and/or provocation of thought.

Star Wars: Jar-Jar Binks.

Meesa see no contest.
Message: Posted by: Carrie Sue (Jun 20, 2008 11:17PM)
Let me put it to you this way:

I have no less than five copies of the Star Wars Trilogy (Episodes IV - VI) in my collection:

* VHS - Widescreen Collector's Edition (including "From Star Wars to Jedi, The Making of a Saga." I got turned on to the letterbox format from that moment and never looked back.
* Laserdisc - The Definitive Collector's Edition
* Laserdisc - The "Special Edition" Trilogy, which contains my favorite preview trailer advertising, "See them again for the first time."
* DVD - The "Special Edition" Trilogy, including "Empire of Dreams" documentary.
* DVD - The "Dr. Gonzo" edits of the Definitive Editon laserdiscs, 16x9 enhanced (unlike Lucas' release of the unaltered films).

Yeah, I also collected these:
* VHS - Star Wars: The Phantom Menace widescreen box set ('cuz I just couldn't wait for anything else -- where was my head?).
* DVD - Widescreen editions of the prequels (Episodes I, II, and III, 'cuz I'm a bit of a completist).

And on the Star Trek front, I have:

* DVD - Star Trek: The Original Series (Seasons 1-3)
* DVD - Double-disc collector's editions of all 10 films.
* DVD - Star Trek: The Next Generation (Seasons 1-7, original release).
* DVD - Time Travel Fan Collective
* DVD - Q Fan Collective

Yeah, I've been a bit of a geek in my life. Nevertheless, when I want pure entertainment, I watch Star Wars, as I have these past two days.
When I want to revisit great characters and thoughtful storylines, it's Star Trek ...

... or ALF, depending on my moood.

Carrie
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jun 20, 2008 11:32PM)
Some friends have been trying to get me to watch something called "fan edits" where folks have spliced in the extra footage included with the DVDs and done some other editorial work. There's supposed to be one out there of Star Trek Generations where they somehow removed Captain Kirk. Another early fan edit that made the news was something called the Phantom Edit where The Phantom Menace was slightly altered to remove some of Jar-jar's comedy and his voice replaced with other sound effects.

There are also entirely fan created Star Trek episodes somewhere available on the internet and supposedly George Takai and Walter Koenig have participated in these things. A couple of years ago some folks did a Babylon Five/Star Trek crossover movie. Also made some news shows and magazine mentions.
Message: Posted by: Carrie Sue (Jun 21, 2008 07:31AM)
I watched one "fan edit" on YouTube, which combined the series finale of Star Trek: Enterprise with ST:TNG's episode "The Pegasus."

It was pretty good, actually.

I've also heard of "The Phantom Edit," but I've never seen it. I kinda liked Jar Jar Binks.

Carrie
Message: Posted by: acesover (Jun 21, 2008 08:37AM)
Ahhhh! Star Wars, Star Trek.

OK I am 65 years old and as a young boy (7-10 years old)I would love to read Sci Fi comic books and listen to Space Patrol on the radio and later when much older, ha, ha (a teenager) I naturally loved the Sci Fi movies. But getting back to the young guy. In those young years my friends and I were always going to diffeent planets and fighting aliens and using "ray guns" and saving the earth and defeatinig martians and the "Man from Planet X". Remember Flash Gordon? Now after longing for those times again along comes STAR WARS. You have to be kidding. Wow I got my wish, I am a kid all over again. To me at was nothing sort of fantastic. Same holds true for the Indiana Jones saga. Always exploring strange and exotic places and cavortinig with all sorts of danger and traps and snakes and bad guys.

Oh heck just daydreaming here.
Message: Posted by: Carrie Sue (Jun 21, 2008 08:39AM)
Anybody else but me remember Planet of the Vampires?

I spent years trying to find that movie, not knowing its title but remembering one line of dialogue.

"If you see anything, shoot first and ask questions later."

Carrie
Message: Posted by: sean_mh (Jun 21, 2008 09:40AM)
Trek for me - from TOS all the way to waiting for the new movie to come out!! Yes, I was one of the people that even liked [b]Enterprise[/b]!!


Sean
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Jun 21, 2008 10:02AM)
When you get right down to it, "Galaxy Quest" beats them both just because it has Sigourny Weaver!
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jun 21, 2008 10:11AM)
[quote]
On 2008-06-21 09:39, Carrie Sue wrote:
Anybody else but me remember Planet of the Vampires?...
[/quote]

Yes - also recalled for visual reasons as Ridley Scott's film Alien has some scenes early on which echo some of what's in the middle of [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_of_the_Vampires]Planet of the Vampires[/url] - especially that large alien in a chair. It also seems to have been given other titles here and there since the original was something like "Terror in Space" in Italian.
Message: Posted by: Carrie Sue (Jun 21, 2008 11:57AM)
I know!

I thought it was ALIEN for the longest time, but then I saw ALIEN, and well -- let's just say the dinner death scene traumatized me for a length of time. I can watch it now, because I know how it was done, but aack!

The other thing I remembered about Planet of the Vampires was that they carried guns that seemed to be held backwards, with what looked like the rifle stock on the front. Anyway, it was a much spookier film than I remembered it.

But as with all classic sci-fi, I enjoyed it.

There's another old sci-fi film that I only have images for, and maybe one of the other geeks on this board will remember the title for me.

It was an alien invasion story, I believe. The one image that is still in my head is of the lead alien calling a bunch of human (or humanoid) minions in for an audience, and I think a little kid was spying from behind a hidden tunnel in the wall or something.

Suddenly, the alien leader got angry with his minions for screwing up in some way, and one of his -- uh, appendages -- swung around and cut all their heads off in one stroke, swish! No blood spurts, though, and the camera quickly cut away to the kid turning away in horror.

My memory may be foggy, but if anyone can give me the name of this film, it'll be like the day I saw The Green Slime was going to be on TCM.

I know, I'm weird.

Carrie
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jun 21, 2008 02:57PM)
It's cool Carrie. Can you give us some more visual details like when you saw the film, whether it was in color, did the lead alien look human - that kind of stuff. From the words and phrasing I get the feeling you were looking at the remake of "Invaders from Mars" but that's just a wild guess.
Message: Posted by: Carrie Sue (Jun 21, 2008 11:02PM)
It might have been Invaders From Mars (1953), which I see is now available on DVD in a special edition or something.

It is next in my Netflix queue.

I remember the I.F.M. remake that was done in 1986, so maybe I saw the original on TV as a kid and forgot the title.

But something about the pictures I've seen of the alien in the original film don't match what's in my head. Yes, the film was in color, but the alien leader was bigger, seeming to tower over his "minions," as it were.

I wish I had more information than that, but maybe someone can help me.

Carrie
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jun 23, 2008 07:37PM)
To reply to Carrie Sue, if not for the fact that the alien leader you mention has a humanoid-type body, then it almost reminds me of the film FIEND WITHOUT A FACE. But it's not, because FWAF had a protoplasmic-type body.

Also, since you enjoyed PLANET OF THE VAMPIRES, then I recommend QUEEN OF BLOOD. I enjoy it for its claustrophic feeling of having most of the story confined to the inside of a Spaceship. Also the facet of how the Space-vampire is depicted or portrayed. That is, it's NOT portrayed as a classic vampire who is evil. Instead,Carrie Sue, it concentrates on the fact that because it's Extraterrestrial, so therefore its Motives are normal for its species, a hive-mind.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jun 23, 2008 08:27PM)
[quote]
On 2001-12-16 15:16, Stephen Long wrote:
Star Wars - one of the greatest tales ever to be told.

It is simply the ultimate story, you’ve got action, drama, comedy, romance [b]all[/b] rolled into one.



But Star Trek - the next generation, I am addicted to.

The intricate and entertaining plots never cease to entertain me.



I can see why people wouldn’t find them interesting, I suppose, when I first watched Star Wars my initial response was,

"What’s all the fuss about?"

Then I realized you have to go deeper.

Look beneath the surface to the message it contains for all of us - be nice.



Gonz :crazydude:



_________________

"Always remove the deck from its case before attempting a shuffle."

- Paul Harris
[/quote]

The characters in Star trek TNG are it's greatest strength..Data and Warf always reel me in....they are ALL good actors, but I think Brent Spiner is one HELL of an actor. He did so MUCH with Data...he had this great ability to make him TRULY menacing and evil when the script called for it...it almost seemed as if he was possessed when he went for that. I guess what I'm saying is that as an actor, Brent had great range.

I remember when TNG first aired. I remember thinking "They're going to improve on Spock and Bones? No way. I'm not going to buy it. Why don't they just leave well enough alone?"

But a couple episodes, and I changed my tune real quick. They had me from the beginning.
Message: Posted by: Carrie Sue (Jul 2, 2008 03:08PM)
[quote]
On 2008-06-23 20:37, Orville_Smith wrote:
To reply to Carrie Sue, if not for the fact that the alien leader you mention has a humanoid-type body, then it almost reminds me of the film FIEND WITHOUT A FACE. But it's not, because FWAF had a protoplasmic-type body.

Also, since you enjoyed PLANET OF THE VAMPIRES, then I recommend QUEEN OF BLOOD. I enjoy it for its claustrophic feeling of having most of the story confined to the inside of a Spaceship. Also the facet of how the Space-vampire is depicted or portrayed. That is, it's NOT portrayed as a classic vampire who is evil. Instead,Carrie Sue, it concentrates on the fact that because it's Extraterrestrial, so therefore its Motives are normal for its species, a hive-mind.
[/quote]

The movie I've been thinking about is not "Invaders From Mars." I kinda knew it wasn't, but last evening I screened the original IFM to be sure I wasn't confusing it with the 1986 remake which I remember clearly. It is not "Fiend Without A Face," either. I read the synopsis on IMDB.

Again, the image I have is sort of an alien creature with long tentacles. It could even be a plant creature with long slicing leaves. I have a memory of a circle of people surrounding this creature, and then one of its limbs swings around and slices off their heads in one motion. Then the camera cuts away to a young boy who is hiding and who witnessed this event. That's all I've got.

Any other ideas? It's probably from the 1950s or '60s science fiction, though if it was American or Japanese I know not.

Carrie
Message: Posted by: TheGreatGalling (Jul 2, 2008 10:28PM)
[quote]
On 2008-06-23 21:27, daffydoug wrote:
[quote]
On 2001-12-16 15:16, Stephen Long wrote:
Star Wars - one of the greatest tales ever to be told.

It is simply the ultimate story, you’ve got action, drama, comedy, romance [b]all[/b] rolled into one.



But Star Trek - the next generation, I am addicted to.

The intricate and entertaining plots never cease to entertain me.



I can see why people wouldn’t find them interesting, I suppose, when I first watched Star Wars my initial response was,

"What’s all the fuss about?"

Then I realized you have to go deeper.

Look beneath the surface to the message it contains for all of us - be nice.



Gonz :crazydude:



_________________

"Always remove the deck from its case before attempting a shuffle."

- Paul Harris
[/quote]

The characters in Star trek TNG are it's greatest strength..Data and Warf always reel me in....they are ALL good actors, but I think Brent Spiner is one HELL of an actor. He did so MUCH with Data...he had this great ability to make him TRULY menacing and evil when the script called for it...it almost seemed as if he was possessed when he went for that. I guess what I'm saying is that as an actor, Brent had great range.

I remember when TNG first aired. I remember thinking "They're going to improve on Spock and Bones? No way. I'm not going to buy it. Why don't they just leave well enough alone?"

But a couple episodes, and I changed my tune real quick. They had me from the beginning.
[/quote]
I cannot agree more! I am a huge Star Trek fan and just had the joy of watching DS9 in its entirety. I didn't think any show's characters could share the same depth, but I was happily mistaken.
Message: Posted by: Seth speaks (Jul 9, 2008 09:10PM)
I'm a Hyoooomongous Star Trek fan, and Data's recent big screen death personally traumatized me... I just can't see how his successor is gonna cut it. Can anyone recommend a good therapist?

Couldn't agree more about initial skepticism when Next Gen appeared, but boy did I find out it was really good, and became a big fan of that one, too. "Enterprise" was the weakest series so far, imho, but even that I enjoyed. They're all great. Just one question... when are they all gonna realize that there is NO reason to worry about "contaminating" the timeline? They've gone through time travel a zillion times, and no matter how much they muck around, everything turns out okay!

As for Star Wars, well -- if you saw it when you were 10, then it just changed your whole life! The first time I realized I was aging was when kids started calling it an "old" movie. I still get weirded out by that..!

Carrie, wish I could help you out, but I have no idea! Btw, didn't your avatar used to show you actually wearing a Star Trek uniform? You MUST be a fan!

Seth
Message: Posted by: Carrie Sue (Jul 11, 2008 01:50PM)
It did, Seth, but I thought the picture needed an update, so I changed it recently.

I was a big Star Trek fan for a long time, and I still have TOS, TNG, the movies, and both TREKKIES documentary films on DVD to this day. I watched "This Side of Armageddon" yesterday, in fact. But I don't pattern as much of my life after Star Trek as I used to. It got too humanistic in the 1990s.

Carrie
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jul 14, 2008 07:12PM)
The mention of Carrie Sue's uniform made me recall an item from the news about twenty years ago about a TREK fan who is a dentist in real life. When he goes to work as a dentist,he always dresses up in a Star Trek uniform. As I recall, also his assistants wear Star Trek uniforms.
Message: Posted by: kidmagician9999 (Jul 14, 2008 07:20PM)
[quote]
On 2008-07-14 20:12, Orville_Smith wrote:
The mention of Carrie Sue\'s uniform made me recall an item from the news about twenty years ago about a TREK fan who is a dentist in real life. When he goes to work as a dentist,he always dresses up in a Star Trek uniform. As I recall, also his assistants wear Star Trek uniforms.
[/quote]

I heard about this guy too... Isn\'t his whole office decorated like the bridge of the Enterprise?
Message: Posted by: Carrie Sue (Jul 15, 2008 01:35PM)
He didn't exactly do his office like the bridge, but he went out to a sci-fi collectible's shop and put a whole bunch of memorabilia in his office.

It's called Starbase Dental (http://www.starbasedental.com), although I don't know if the staff still wear the uniforms since Dr. Dennis Bourguignon doesn't seem to be there anymore.

See the family and their story in this clip from the documentary film "Trekkies":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHhMNGhcwMo

Carrie
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jul 15, 2008 09:48PM)
Thanks,Carrie Sue, for the link. That was fun. Still about Trek uniforms, I also recall about a lady fan who had to report for jury-duty. You guessed it,she attended it in a Trek uniform. Thing about it,though,is that the Judge chastised her, reprimanded her. I guess the Judge considered it a mockery of the court, maybe even contempt of court, I don't know exactly. But the lady had to come back in "normal" attire. I find the reprimand a bit too harsh, but I guess I'm biased since I'm a Star Trek fan.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Jul 18, 2008 11:24PM)
Actually, as I understood it, she was on the jury with no problems until she spoke to the press about why she was wearing a Star Trek uniform. As there had been a "gag order" on the jury, she was considered in violation of it and tossed off. She thought the "gag order" only had to do with speaking about the case (which would make sense) but I guess not.

She shows up in "Trekkies," along with the dentist. She works in a printing company and mentions in the documentary that they'd tried to call her by a nickname that she found objectionable. They asked her what nickname _wouldn't_ be objectionable and she mentioned that she was Commander of Star Fleet so there really couldn't be a nickname for a commander... now they call her "Commander" and she accepts that!
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Jul 19, 2008 07:04AM)
R2 D2 was a far superior robot to Data, obviously!

Funny: [url=http://youtube.com/watch?v=HjfDS_jbeuo]Mad TV on Star Wars[/url]
Message: Posted by: MagiClyde (Jul 19, 2008 01:04PM)
[quote]R2 D2 was a far superior robot to Data, obviously! [/quote]

R2D2 was a robot, Data was an android. The irony was that Data's brain was a positronic matrix, which is directly out of Asimov's robot series.
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Jul 19, 2008 06:43PM)
Man, I cannot believe the lies and outright FALSEHOODS that are being perpetrated on the members of the magic Café! Case in point: [quote]On 2008-07-19 14:04, clynim wrote:
The irony was that Data's brain was a positronic matrix, which is directly out of Asimov's robot series.[/quote] In fact, the only person in the whole of ST: TNG to even mention that Asimov and the Positronic Brain together was Tasha Yar -whom [i]everyone knows[/i] was an idiot and is [b]glad[/b] she was killed off in season three.

Neither Dr. Noonien Soong or Data's "mother" Julianna Soong Tainer, or even Lore or B-4 make ANY mention of Asimov throughout the entire run of Next Generation. And these are people who would know better than Tasha. OK ?!?!

Also, Data is totally capable of breaking the 3 laws if he so chooses -so there!

You should read some of my [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slash_fiction]Slash Fiction[/url] about this sometime.

CHECK YOUR FACTS! Man, some people need to get a life!
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Jul 19, 2008 06:58PM)
Orville...I think you have your films crossed...Fiend Without A face involved little Brains with Spinal Chords (used as arms etc.) that were stop motion animated, invisible till the end of the movie and lived in the trees till they broke in the house and became visible when they craweled around sucking the brains out of the cast till they were shot and turned to apple sauce...
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jul 19, 2008 08:42PM)
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On 2008-07-19 19:58, Doug Higley wrote:
Orville...I think you have your films crossed...Fiend Without A face involved little Brains with Spinal Chords (used as arms etc.) that were stop motion animated, invisible till the end of the movie and lived in the trees till they broke in the house and became visible when they craweled around sucking the brains out of the cast till they were shot and turned to apple sauce...
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Well, Doug, I think it was because my phraseology was too loose, as far as using the word "tentacles." Also, no less a celebrity than Forrest Ackerman had included "Fiend Without A Face" in an issue of FAMOUS MONSTERS magazine which featured an article on all the so-called "blob" movies. In that blob list, Ackerman included not only the Blob but also the following:

the H-man
the Green Slime
the Creeping Unknown
Caltiki the Immortal

Ackerman had listed more than that, but I forgot them because I lost the issue which comes from the latter 1960s.

For myself, I could even make another addition if we can include TV, because in the OUTER LIMITS (60s version) were two blob-type episodes, THE INVISIBLES and THE PROBE.

Also, Doug,since you mentioned about the aliens attacking the human brain, it now reminds of a short story written by the famous FRANK BELKNAP LONG about a blob-type alien entering a human brain. At the moment,I don't recall the title but I would enjoy reading that story again.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Jul 20, 2008 01:48AM)
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On 2008-07-19 19:43, gaddy wrote:
Man, I cannot believe the lies and outright FALSEHOODS that are being perpetrated on the members of the magic Café! Case in point: [quote]On 2008-07-19 14:04, clynim wrote:
The irony was that Data's brain was a positronic matrix, which is directly out of Asimov's robot series.[/quote] In fact, the only person in the whole of ST: TNG to even mention that Asimov and the Positronic Brain together was Tasha Yar -whom [i]everyone knows[/i] was an idiot and is [b]glad[/b] she was killed off in season three.

Neither Dr. Noonien Soong or Data's "mother" Julianna Soong Tainer, or even Lore or B-4 make ANY mention of Asimov throughout the entire run of Next Generation. And these are people who would know better than Tasha. OK ?!?!
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Well, having mentioned it once, they didn't have to beat us about the head with it every episode. However the use of the word "positronic" in dealing with Data's brain is the clincher.

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Also, Data is totally capable of breaking the 3 laws if he so chooses -so there!
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It does look like it was a major stretch for him to break 1st law. (There was an episode where he appeared to have fired a phaser at the bad guy just before being beamed back to the Enterprise... but it doesn't look like it was easy for him.)

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You should read some of my [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slash_fiction]Slash Fiction[/url] about this sometime.
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I'll pass thank you. If you've done the scene between Yar and Data, I might reconsider.

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CHECK YOUR FACTS! Man, some people need to get a life!
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Reality is a crutch for people who can't handle science fiction.

Did we ever get anywhere on that tentacle movie?
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Jul 20, 2008 11:46AM)
Can anyone tell me about the new Clone Wars movie (animated) coming to theatres in August? Is it the same Clone Wars that was shown a while back on teletoon (those were a bunch of animated shorts, shown like a serial)? (The answer is probably on one of the sites... I just haven't had the time to find it yet.)

I found the trailer on the Apple website today, accidently stumbling across it.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/starwarstheclonewars/

http://www.starwars.com/clonewars/site/index.html

- Donald
Message: Posted by: Doctor Xombie (Jul 20, 2008 01:32PM)
I like both.
Overall Star Trek is about the human condition; Star Wars is about action.
I prefer Doctor Who over both of them though... it's got EVERYTHING.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jul 20, 2008 01:44PM)
Well if you really want to take Asimov's three seriously - and keeping in mind that to machines we are slow, stupid, dirty and only good for rationalizing mistakes - you wind up with the premise of the Matrix where "The Architect" and "The Oracle" are our preferred Zeus and Hera (or Athena).
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Jul 20, 2008 06:17PM)
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On 2008-07-20 14:32, Doctor Xombie wrote:
I like both.
Overall Star Trek is about the human condition; Star Wars is about action.
I prefer Doctor Who over both of them though... it's got EVERYTHING.
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At it's best, Doctor Who is the best of the lot. At it's worst, it's still better than most.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jul 20, 2008 06:29PM)
Gaddy, have you met the DoctorDonna yet?
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Jul 20, 2008 10:23PM)
Dragging this back to Star Wars, I'm watching The Family Guy episode of "Blue Harvest" right now!
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Jul 20, 2008 11:21PM)
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On 2008-07-20 19:29, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
Gaddy, have you met the DoctorDonna yet?
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I Hereby Hijack This Thread In The Name Of Gallifrey!!!

haven't seen the 4th series yet...

I really hate the Sci-Fi channel!
Message: Posted by: Doctor Xombie (Jul 21, 2008 06:32PM)
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On 2008-07-21 00:21, gaddy wrote:

I Hereby Hijack This Thread In The Name Of Gallifrey!!!

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Great jumping gobstoppers! I think he's serious!
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Jul 24, 2008 02:11PM)
Jelly babies, I don't know that the Doctor ever ate "gobstoppers," everlasting or not.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Aug 6, 2008 07:41PM)
Overlapping both Star Trek and Mentalism is the strange oddity that when the mentalist the Amazing Kreskin was popular, he was occasionally mistaken in public for the Trek actor Leonard Nimoy.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Aug 6, 2008 08:16PM)
Dr Who overlapped with mentalism with the theme of "psychic paper" last few years.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Oct 23, 2008 07:58PM)
Just heard the news that the new Star Trek movie will be directed by J.J. Abrams. What makes me apprehensive is that Abrams is Not a Star Trek fan but more of a Star Wars fan and will be making Trek more of a Star Wars type of film. Terrible. This will spoil the Trek movie because Trek always centered on philosophy. So to make it like Star Wars will spoil Star Trek. Having a marked preference for Trek as I do, that advance news makes me feel very apprehensive.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Oct 23, 2008 08:31PM)
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On 2008-10-23 20:58, Orville_Smith wrote:
Just heard the news that the new Star Trek movie will be directed by J.J. Abrams. ...
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The guy said he was interested in doing this project three years ago and the film was set to go into the theaters for the holidays this year. Okay now here's a scary one ... Harry Potter was postponed from Thanksgiving to next summer :( :(

Anyway let's see what sort of secrets and stuff J. J. Abrams brings to the story and how well he relaunches the franchise. Who knows, maybe Kirk has father issues and the rest bring baggage to work out as well.

for more ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_(film)

Okay - now for some good news... it's not a Joel Schumacher re-envisioning of the show. Cringe. ;)
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (May 15, 2009 08:57PM)
Despite my initial hesitancy, I went to see the premiere of the new Star Trek (prequel). As expected, it turned out as an Uncomfortable combination of both Star Wars and Star Trek, but despite my ambivalence, pleased me. Stylistically,it's Star Wars, but at its core,it's Trek. What especially struck a pleasing chord in me were the scenes on planet Vulcan. In other words, what was only hinted at in the television-series was actually shown in the movie. By that, I refer to the genesis of Spock's deep-seated resentment toward his human half, and its resultant inner conflict. In the scenes that touched me the most, Spock in his childhood is shown suffering the anguish of bullying and persecution for his half-human blood. This is the true genesis of Spock, what shaped him into the enduring and beloved character he was to become.
Message: Posted by: Carrie Sue (May 16, 2009 05:07AM)
And then everything went to pot.

Carrie
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (May 16, 2009 06:28PM)
Star wars, hands down. I was a big fan of TNG, saw every show. But its still star wars for me. Though many of the direct shots in the film (the original) were stolen, and most of the plot adapted from myths (im not knocking lucas here, he would agree), it still rules.
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (May 17, 2009 03:01PM)
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On 2009-05-16 06:07, Carrie Sue wrote:
And then everything went to pot.

Carrie
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did Leonard start smoking?
Message: Posted by: Steve_Mollett (May 17, 2009 07:35PM)
My earliest exposure to sci-fi included films like "Gog," "Missle to the Moon," "It-The Terror from Beyond Space," and "The Man from Planet X," as well as chapters from "Zombies of the Stratosphere" (Republic's last 'rocket man' serial).

Later came things like "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" and "Lost in Space."

My favorites, though, were "The Outer Limits" and the early-60s British series, "H.G. Well's The Invisible Man."

Didn't get much into Trek, but was a first-nighter for Wars on a lark.
Message: Posted by: Steve_Mollett (May 17, 2009 07:46PM)
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On 2008-06-21 12:57, Carrie Sue wrote:
I know!

I thought it was ALIEN for the longest time, but then I saw ALIEN, and well -- let's just say the dinner death scene traumatized me for a length of time. I can watch it now, because I know how it was done, but aack!

The other thing I remembered about Planet of the Vampires was that they carried guns that seemed to be held backwards, with what looked like the rifle stock on the front. Anyway, it was a much spookier film than I remembered it.

But as with all classic sci-fi, I enjoyed it.

There's another old sci-fi film that I only have images for, and maybe one of the other geeks on this board will remember the title for me.

It was an alien invasion story, I believe. The one image that is still in my head is of the lead alien calling a bunch of human (or humanoid) minions in for an audience, and I think a little kid was spying from behind a hidden tunnel in the wall or something.

Suddenly, the alien leader got angry with his minions for screwing up in some way, and one of his -- uh, appendages -- swung around and cut all their heads off in one stroke, swish! No blood spurts, though, and the camera quickly cut away to the kid turning away in horror.

My memory may be foggy, but if anyone can give me the name of this film, it'll be like the day I saw The Green Slime was going to be on TCM.

I know, I'm weird.

Carrie
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I'm drawing a blank, too, though it sounds like some of the Japanese stuff.

Egad...Green Slime...special effects using Mattel's Major Matt Mason toys.

Here's a few to bring back memories better left forgotten:

"Creation of the Humanoids";
"Phantom Planet";
"The Brainiac" (aka "Baron of Terror")

On the plus side, TCM free movies on demand currently includes the original "Invasion of the Body Snatchers," "I Married a Monster from Outer Space" and "Eyes Without a Face" (aka "Horror Chamber of Dr. Faustus").
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Jun 13, 2009 08:55PM)
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On 2009-05-16 19:28, kcg5 wrote:
I was a big fan of TNG, saw every show. But its still star wars for me. Though many of the direct shots in the film (the original) were stolen, and most of the plot adapted from myths (im not knocking lucas here, he would agree), it still rules.
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As You Yourself said,"...most of the plot adapted from myths" (end of quote). In other words, Star Wars used Worn-out cliches. Remember,I quoted you. Contrast that with Trek which had so many bizarre and innovative ideas.