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Topic: Billet pencil
Message: Posted by: max88 (Sep 25, 2002 10:48AM)
Is there anyone know some device like it or knife (which is described in 13 steps) is on the market so I can use it to load billet into the envelop? I search the forum seems no discussion on it so far. Thanks!
Message: Posted by: p.b.jones (Sep 25, 2002 10:52AM)
yes you can get billet knives, pens, and pencils, however the main drawback is why have you folded the billet so small, particularly with regards the pen or pencil.
Message: Posted by: max88 (Sep 25, 2002 10:58AM)
Hi, Phillip

Do you mean it causes suspicion and you suggest I should use another method to do it?
Message: Posted by: Darmoe (Sep 25, 2002 04:24PM)
Anytime you employ a "device" (and this is only my opinion) you create suspicion or reason for such. If you feel that this ruse is the best way to accomplish an effect you want to bring about, you may look into non-gaffed systems. One that comes to mind is to be found on the Guy Bavli Mentalism Video (not the metal bending tape... the other.)

Phil is correct in that so many of the devices require the billet to be folded so small that it is distracting... I love Dianne Zimmerman's Prediction in A Bottle of Champagne but dang! The "Prediction" is miniscule... that takes away from it and too, it comes off as a Magician's Clever Trick vs. a "good" prediction set-up by a legit psychic.

Try to be free of devices and gimmicks. Make your mentalism as clean and unexplainable as you can. That's when you begin segregating yourself and cultivating a career based on a more sound and proven sense of reputation.
Message: Posted by: DarkKnight (Sep 26, 2002 05:00AM)
I'd agree with that 100%. When I started out I was using lots of gimmicks and things but now I am stripping things down to the bare essentials. The props that are now used are everyday things that people are used to seeing around and as a result the mentalism is elevated from being a 'clever trick' to 'maybe this is real'.
Message: Posted by: SteeleFusion (Jun 7, 2005 10:07AM)
I received Corinda's Billet pencil in the mail today (still mint from 1960's). It looks innocent enough and I can see myself badly fooling many people with this clean method.

If anyone has good ideas for tricks using my new toy please PM me with them!!!

Message: Posted by: Scott Xavier (Jun 7, 2005 02:39PM)
Theres some great info out there, like sealing a test tube inside of an envelope and "shooting" the prediction inside. I can think of a billion justifications!
Message: Posted by: migwar (Jun 7, 2005 02:49PM)
Where would one go about about purchasing such things like a billet pencil ?
Message: Posted by: Scott Xavier (Jun 7, 2005 02:51PM)
Message: Posted by: MagoStevo (Jun 7, 2005 03:10PM)
I reckon nothing is fairer than opening the envelope with bare hand (with TT) rather using a knife or pencil (do you use pencil to open envelope?)

Any pro and con?
Message: Posted by: SteeleFusion (Jun 7, 2005 04:39PM)
I will post a full review of it once I give it a good try.

From my first impressions:

Looks ordinary enough
More subtle than a knife (Pencils aren't as 'suspicious' as perhaps a knife)
Easy enough to load the billet into the envelope

Billet needs to be rolled pretty tightly making it slightly difficult to load (eg.It wouldnt be possible to make a prediction using a Swami gimick then load it into the billet. The billet would need to be written and loaded beforehand)
Message: Posted by: Devilix (Sep 20, 2005 11:33AM)
I would really like to read this review. I have interest in this system.

Message: Posted by: Piers (Aug 19, 2006 08:55AM)
Is anyone using a billet pencil on a regular basis here ?

Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Aug 19, 2006 07:23PM)
I've had an original Corinda billet pencil for a long time. I could not think of any conceivable justification for sticking a pencil into an envelope.

Ted Lesley did what appeared to be an open/sealed prediction in a pickle jar. There were two predictions. He went into a newspaper office, put two large folded pieces of paper into a pickle jar, which was then sealed with packing tape. This was placed into a file box, which was also sealed with packing tape. The whole mess was taken to the home of a lady connected with the newspapers that were published there and she kept them in her safe for a week. This took place a few years ago in Namibia.

A week later, Ted came back to the newspaper office. They after a bit of byplay, they opened the pickle jar and read the first piece of paper. The prediction on that one was correct. The second piece of paper was opened and read. It gave a rough, but very close idea of the headlines on the German paper, as well as the essence of the front page of the Boer paper.

It fooled the reporters completely. All of the work took place under their noses, but they missed it. It required an incredible amount of chutzpa to do it. There was a followup a week later where they tried to figure out how he did it. They did not even come close.

Note: There were no billet knives, pencils, phony envelopes or stooges. And Ted got [b]four pages[/b] of newspaper publicity out of this.

Now for the good news. Ted is writing a manuscript with this which will be published soon.
Message: Posted by: Mariagi (Aug 19, 2006 09:02PM)
On 2006-08-19 20:23, Bill Palmer wrote:

Now for the good news. Ted is writing a manuscript with this which will be published soon.

I'm glad that Ted Lesley is writing some manuscript but I hope that the manuscript will contain new and unexplained stuff, not just this newspaper prediction which could only seem another rehash of an Al Mann's idea.

Devin Knight has recently rewritten the old Mann's routine plus his new, updated handling with a [b]one billet[/b] version which is difficult to beat.

Please tell me that Ted Lesley is not going to write a whole manuscript on that idea only.
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (Aug 19, 2006 10:04PM)
Please tell me that Ted Lesley is not going to write a whole manuscript on that idea only.
Why not? Much more has been written about much less.

It sounds like a brilliant idea that may have many applications.

Message: Posted by: chichi711 (Aug 19, 2006 11:13PM)
I really need to learn to like Lesley's stuff. His DVD is still the only magic DVD that I fell asleep while watching. I know he is incredible, so what would be the must have book of his?

Sorry to get off topic, but you guys brought it up.

Anywho back to billet pencil's. I wouldnt use one, but that is just my style.
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (Aug 19, 2006 11:25PM)

Ted was very ill when he recorded those DVDs. The fact that he was even able to perform at time speaks volumes of the man.

Message: Posted by: chichi711 (Aug 19, 2006 11:36PM)
I did not know that. I like the material. If he was sick that would make sense as to why the performance was a little um raw.

It just kind of left a bad taste in my mouth, so I have never purchased anything else. I know I am missing out. That is why I was asking about his books.
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (Aug 20, 2006 12:14AM)
In addition to being ill and easily fatigued, Ted did his act in English, not his first language. Having attempted to do this, I know it is difficult. Most of what we perform gets better as our internal and external dialog gets better. The two go hand in hand, you time certain actions with certain words in your presentation. This is one way in which we become 'smooth.' When you attempt to perform your routine in a different language, every thing gets thrown out of whack. Imagine trying to translate a presentation while you are performing it. Not an easy task!
Now imagine that you are ill and on an incorrect medication. (Bill Palmer could elaborate on this story, I am sure. He took Ted to a different doctor here in the states just after filming of the video was done and got the medication issue straightened out. Don't be fooled by his grouchy demeanor, Bill Palmer is a very caring human being.)

As for his written work, it is excellent. Bill Palmer did a supurb job in the translation for [b]Paramiracles[/b]. It is an excellent book.

Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Aug 20, 2006 02:07AM)
The Ted Lesley DVD's suffered from a number of problems, not the least of which was Ted's Parkinsonism. There were also some staging problems, because the people at L&L were not set up properly for the way he did his show.

Ted came over here in the fall of 2003, so he could visit the Parkinson's Foundtion in Houston (Michael J. Fox is also connected to this group). Dr. Jankovic, who is the head of the foundation is also one of my old magic students. In an hour he did more for Ted than the German doctors had done in a couple of years. He rebalanced Ted's medications, which gave him much more energy. After that appointment, Ted and I went on the road for six weeks, doing a lecture tour that took us to San Antonio, El Paso, Denver, Wichita, Fort Worth, Leawood, Chicago and Cleveland. His condition was fairly stable except for the appearance in Chicago. He had some problems there.

The following March, Ted came back to Houston to perform gratis at the Parkinson's Foundation Gala. When he marched out on the stage, I would have sworn it was the "old" Ted, from before the Parkinson's. After he performed, our MC said, "By the way, Mr. Lesley is a Parkinson's patient." There was a gasp, and an even bigger round of applause. But Ted did not want them to announce it before he went out, because he did not want "mercy" applause.

The prediction is not a re-hash of an Al Mann bit. It's actually from a completely different source. Ted did not originate it, but he refined it. He performed it while we were on the road as part of his master class. There were a number of items in the master class which Ted had worked out from a source in Bolivia. He got permission from the originator to use them, because they were too good to let slide. One of them was a money "prediction" that we had one method for when we left Houston and by the time we got back we had eight methods. Out of those eight methods, four are really strong. Those will be in another manuscript.

Ted will be writing these, and I will be translating and publishing them.

They will be foist cless all the way.

One of the reasons I am so grouchy is that I [b]do[/b] care.
Message: Posted by: barkmagicman (Aug 20, 2006 12:11PM)
First of all, thank God that Ted is doing better, a man like him should not be made to suffer.

Second, if you look up a T.A Waters idea, he talks about the balloon prediction idea with a Jak's billet knife to pop the balloon. I don't know the name of the effect, but me saying that within this context should explain itself.
Message: Posted by: MentaThought (Aug 20, 2006 04:58PM)
On 2006-08-20 03:07, Bill Palmer wrote:
The Ted Lesley DVD's suffered from a number of problems, not the least of which was Ted's Parkinsonism. There were also some staging problems, because the people at L&L were not set up properly for the way he did his show.

I'll tell you one thing: I -- and I know the in-studio audience, as well -- was absolutely blown away by his amazing teleportation envelope effect as Mr. Lesley performed it on that video.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Aug 20, 2006 08:22PM)
Ted is actually fairly comfortable working in English. He speaks it to the level of thinking in the language, and he has carefully worked out his scripts and polished them. However, one of the symptoms of Parkinson's is that he tended to salivate excessively. This caused him some problems. The other was that he had a great deal of difficulty walking at the time.

When he performed at the Gala here, he did four items. He did the six card repeat, which is the opener he used at La Vie en Rose in Berlin. He did his three card revelation, the Sough of Horse's Wings (with the Teleportation envelope) and the Linking Finger Rings. They wanted him to cut the show down a bit, and had actually cut him from 35 minutes to 20 minutes. I asked them if they really wanted to cut him back any more -- after all, he had flown in from Berlin. They stopped cutting back at that point.

The crowd was huge. There were 45 round tables, each seating 10 people. To help everyone see what was going on, there were two large video screens, one on each side of the stage.

The Six Card Repeat went over tremendously well. So did everything else. When he did the Linking Finger Rings, you would have thought he had just fed 5000 people with loaves and fishes. If there had ever been any question in my mind about the value of any of this material or Ted's ability as an entertainer, it was completely erased at that point.

Ted probably will never work again, but he will be publishing things he put together over the years. I hate to use cliches, but these will be the real work.

I will make absolutely sure that everything that comes out is of the highest quality. Ted and I make a good team of crochety old men who love mentalism! ;)
Message: Posted by: Pete Legend (Aug 21, 2006 04:28PM)
It's great to hear that Ted is doing better! I remember reading an article somewhere about his newspaper prediction in Namibia.Cant wait to see what Bill and Ted are working on.Two living legends!
Message: Posted by: meco (Mar 9, 2008 06:27PM)
On 2005-06-07 15:51, *********** wrote:
I think a wile back I saw a billet pen for sale at this website, I went to purchase it and it was no longer there, do they still manufacture it?