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Topic: Schneider C & B
Message: Posted by: davidmagic (Mar 13, 2005 10:32AM)
Many good reasons to get the DVD: Reasons you want a patina on your cups, psychology of keeping 3 balls visible, no wand, while done sitting, I found difficulty doing it stand up, excellent help on some typical angle problems when working in the real world.
One thought: he does use the same hand vanish repeatedly. I have read and seen other very good magi do the same. Others, like Ammar, work very hard to vary the vanishes. In fact, Ammar midly criticizes the professor for the hand-to-hand vanishes Vernon did. What are your thoughts on this? Does the variety matter more to magi than audience?
Message: Posted by: Burrich (Mar 13, 2005 10:37AM)
IMHO I think that if you do many different hand to hand vanishes, to the audience it looks like you are doing something different every time you vanish a ball. I think if you do a french drop first and then do the vanish Ammar teaches in his Cups & balls dvd then the audience, if only sunconsciously will think: "why didn't he do the other thing to vanish the ball".

However I think you can get away with it if you do a hand-to-hand vanish and then do a wand through hand vanish. But I wouldn't use more than three different kinds of vanish in a routine. That's just my opinion.
Message: Posted by: Dave V (Mar 13, 2005 10:52AM)
I think that pretty much applies to whatever vanish you choose. Two of the same, one different seems to work. The first one flies right past them. The second one they're getting some idea. So, now you change it up and do something different and they're back to square one.

Gazzo does pretty much the same vanish three times in a row, but he breaks it up with comedy bits on the second two so they lose track of where they were.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Mar 20, 2005 03:11PM)
Agreed with D Van... I do two french drops then the wand spin vanish.
Message: Posted by: Frank Tougas (Mar 21, 2005 08:04AM)
It is point of view. If you are being a magician doing a vanish, by all means do some change ups but if your just putting a ball into your hand why would you repeatedly do it differently? Regular people don't do that as they are not trying to prove anything they are simply putting a ball in their hand.

It is suspicious enough that magicians never pick up the ball with the hand they intend to vanish it from. There is always that extra transfer. Do what's comfortable but don't think there is a right and a wrong way. The proof is in the routine, if to the audience, it is surprising, entertains and looks magical it has met the requirements for good magic. If on the other hand it looks clever, skillful and difficult to do - but still entertains, you've got a great piece of juggling there.

Just my two cents.
Frank Tougas