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Topic: Best way to learn card magic???
Message: Posted by: secondbaseman (Oct 5, 2002 09:19AM)
I've been into cards for a couple of months now and I know a few slights but which book/video/DVD do you guys suggest to learn a lot about card magic from? I really want to be a good card magician.

greetings Niels
Message: Posted by: Anthony (Oct 5, 2002 11:47AM)
What books and videos/DVDs do you own so far? I remember I started with the [i]Royal Road to Card Magic[/i] in 1994 and I have never regretted picking up the book. Even now, I look through the book every once in a while to see if I missed something over the years. That book is a great one to start off with, as I'm sure a number of people here at the Café will attest to. ;)
Message: Posted by: wayman (Oct 5, 2002 02:12PM)
An excellent video for starting out is [i]Basic Card Technique[/i] by Richard Kauffman. It covers a lot of basics and more advanced stuff. Well worth the investment. When you progress, start getting Michael Ammars' [i]Easy to Master[/i] series.

Everyone will recommend these books:

[i]The Royal Road to Card Magic
The Expert at the Card Table
Card College 1-4[/i]

All are great.
Message: Posted by: gtxby33 (Oct 6, 2002 12:31AM)
[i]Royal Road to Card Magic[/i]
Message: Posted by: gimmick1586 (Oct 6, 2002 08:02AM)
OK [b]listen to me[/b]!!! I will tell you this now and you can thank me for the rest of your magic life. Only learn one sleight at a time. Then once you master it, find a trick that soley uses it. Add it to your rep. Then learn a different one. Then learn a trick that uses that sleight or maybe uses the two sleights you know. "God I wish someone told me this".

Keep learning to perfection each sleight at a time. Learn all the basics that way. Then when you get to harder ones find a trick you want to do and learn the hard sleights through learning tricks that need them. Trust me on this. You pile 10 sleights to learn. It will take you FOREVER to master it. Then you might put it down awhile, then pick it later and still be sucky. And you'll be sitting around knowing all these sleights but you can't show anyone because you don't have them down. And if you pick up a lot of sleights early you're going to get tired of practicing magic fast, never be able to perform, always have to practice for hours, and have nothing to show for it.

Trust me now and you will be thanking me for the rest of your life. ONE at a time, mastery, trick, then move on.
Message: Posted by: Florian Rago (Oct 6, 2002 08:08AM)
Get one of the http://www.ELLUSIONIST.COM videos. They are GREAT! They teach street-style card magic mainly, but they do teach some other stuff like levitating. For beginners, the learning street magic one is best. For intermediates, get the Ninja video. It is great.

Also download a few of the free trick videos especially the Las Vegas one and the Ninja preview. Hope this helps.

Florian

Also try this website: http://www.gregorylee.org/magic/learnmagic.htm

Hope this helps too
Florian
Message: Posted by: secondbaseman (Oct 6, 2002 11:28AM)
Thanks everyone. This helps me a lot.

greetings niels
Message: Posted by: LeConte (Oct 7, 2002 03:05AM)
I do not agree with Trow on the Ellusionist stuff. I feel strongly that your hard-earned cash is better off spent elsewhere and because this tread is specific to one topic, I will not comment on my opinions of Ellusionist products in general. To answer your question, this is what I would get:[list=1][*][i]The Royal Road To Card Magic[*]Card College Vol 1[/i] (get the other books later)[*][i]M. Ammar's Easy To Master Card Miracles Vol 2[/i] (on DVD)[*][i]G. Wilson's Double Take[/i] (it's only on VHS)[*]A few extra decks of cards (I know you already have some)[/list]I think this will cost just over $100.

[i]Royal Road[/i] might be dated and a bit dry at times, however, it is a hall of fame card book, and considered an invaluable resource for any card man. Every magician owns a copy.

[i]Card College[/i] is easier for the beginner to read and is the perfect compliment to [i]Royal Road[/i].

[i]Card Miracles 2[/i] is just great. You will learn some of the most famous card routines ever in a clear and concise manner.

[i]Double Take[/i] is outstanding for learning the doubles.

I'm new to magic as well and I find that I practice my Elmsley count and doubles all the time.
Message: Posted by: Quest (Oct 7, 2002 10:05AM)
I will have to put my vote in for the [i]Card College[/i] series as well. It is very comprehensive and also doesn't just cover technique, but the psychology and theory behind the different moves. After it shows a certain sleight and its variations, it then applies it to an effect, so you get an idea of how it works in handling. It is what got me started. :bluebikes:
Message: Posted by: alexhui (Oct 7, 2002 10:17AM)
[i]Encyclopedia of Card Tricks[/i] (few moves but lot of tricks)
[i]Royal Road to Card Magic
Card College[/i] series
Message: Posted by: Sean Wisdom (Oct 7, 2002 10:25AM)
In my opinion, the three things are [i]Royal Road To Card Magic, Card College Series[/i] and [i]The Easy To Master Card Miracles[/i] series. If you learn the stuff contained in these, you're well on your way.

You should definitely start off with [i]RRTCM[/i] and then move onto either of the other two.

:bikes:
Message: Posted by: Neuromancer (Oct 7, 2002 11:52AM)
I'll have to agree, [i]The Easy to Master Card Miracles[/i] are very good. They show very good tricks, where almost no sleight is needed (good for beginning).

I also recommend Daryl's [i]Encyclopedia of Card Sleights[/i], which provides an enormous variety of sleights. They are well explained and there are also examples given, where you can use the sleight you just learned.
Message: Posted by: Alan Jackson (Oct 7, 2002 02:24PM)
I recommend [i]The Magic Book[/i] by Harry Lorayne (although it's not just card magic). He teaches a few basic sleights in great detail and gives a selection of effective tricks based on them.
Message: Posted by: Tolga Ozuygur (Oct 8, 2002 10:02AM)
My vote goes to:
[i]Card College
Royal Road to Card Magic[/i] and
[i]Expert Card Technique[/i]

They will all work well but if you can find a mentor to show them it is the best. For the videos:
Jeff McBride's [i]Art of Card Manipulation[/i] is the best I have seen.
:bigdance: :bigdance: :bigdance:
Message: Posted by: silent shadow (Feb 17, 2004 04:44PM)
I'm about halfway through [i]Royal Road to Card Magic[/i], so far so good apart from the tricks used for the sleights learned aren't all that great. For that I say [i]Encyclopedia of Card Tricks[/i].

jean hugard
Message: Posted by: Rob Johnston (Feb 17, 2004 04:57PM)
I am in the same boat. I just expanded my horizons to card work. Books have helped me out a ton but a lot of what little skills I now have come from carrying around a deck of cards and practicing my sleights and flourishes while I watch TV or something like that.
Message: Posted by: huggie50 (Feb 18, 2004 11:55PM)
Look at any of Michael Ammar's books or videos or Brad Burt's videos
Message: Posted by: The Magician (Feb 19, 2004 06:52AM)
Get any of the Karl Fulves self-working card books. They are a good investment.
Message: Posted by: Will-Ace (Feb 19, 2004 09:55AM)
Card sleights are all good and fun, but if you want to learn actual routines, there are tons of books and videos out there.

The following are just a few of the names in books and videos that have great stuff:

James Swain
Guy Hullingworth
Harry Lorayne
Darwin Ortiz
Martin Nash
Dai Vernon
John Bannon
Daryl Martines
Juan Tamariz
Lenart Green
Bill Malone
Paul Harris
Frank Garcia

Most of their routines require advance sleight of with cards, but that's the fun stuff.

I would recommend searching for any of their books or videos and try to learn those routines. If you don't know some of the sleights then go to any of the books mentioned above and learn the sleight that you need. I think that's a much better way to learn and you'll have more fun.
Message: Posted by: andre combrinck (Feb 19, 2004 11:16AM)
[list=1][*][i]Mark Wilson's Complete Course in Magic[/i], Mark Wilson[*][i]RRTCM[/i], Hugard and Braue[*][i]Card College[/i], Giobbi[*][i]Easy to Master Card Miracles[/i], Ammar[/list]Andre
Message: Posted by: Ollie1235 (Feb 20, 2004 03:58AM)
I say to buy videos because if you're reading a book on sleights and don't understand the position of the deck or whatever, then on video it's much easier to understand plus, if you don't understand the sleight in a book then you end up skipping that section
Message: Posted by: King Of Pop (Feb 20, 2004 05:24AM)
Ollie1235, I must say that I agree 100% with you and when you watch this video over and over again, you all the time capture something new. That helps you to make it even easier. But with a book...boring!
Message: Posted by: Eirik (Feb 20, 2004 05:38AM)
"Best way to learn card magic?"

Well, if you want to know the best way to learn card magic:

Join your local magic club!

Learning from other magicians with more experience than you is by far the best way to learn.

-e-
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Feb 20, 2004 09:52AM)
Brad Christian's Crash Course video has me impressed! At first, I thought it was another one of those B-type productions, but it's great! You follow those steps, and then you're ready for Ninja 1 & 2 (Ninja 1 deals with "The Pass" and its many variations)!

Along with the above suggestions, I seriously recommend Brad Christian...a thoroughly "today" kind of card magic! Kind of an MTV kind of production as well, with the camera being really busy and moving in and out and around...I like it.

Anyone agree?

Doug
Message: Posted by: askcody (Feb 21, 2004 03:16PM)
Hey Doug,

I purchased Crash Course 1 as my first video, and was initially incredibly impressed. The video quality was great and the tricks were fairly easy to master as well as working quite effectively on my parents and siblings. I thought the video was awesome and almost purchased the Ninja videos, until I picked up a copy of RRTCM. I realized that there was so much more in a $10 book than the $30-40 videos Brad offers, that I don't think I'm going to buy any of the Ellusionist stuff again. Don't get me wrong, I think Brad does a good job teaching the material and that some of the material is good, but I think that the videos are incredibly overpriced. Ninja 1 and 2 as a set come to a total of something near $95 plus s/h. On the other hand, a used version of Daryl's Encyclopedia of Card Sleights (yes, all 8 videos) cost roughly $95 plus s/h on ebay. I'd rather have access to a bunch of sleights, be creative, and come up with some of my own material than simply copy someone else's tricks, routines, and style. Just my opinion.

Cody
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Feb 21, 2004 04:05PM)
Wow!

THAT much???

Woo.

Got Crash Couse, Ninja 1 & 2, Steet Magic & King's Rising for Christmas...

I had NO idea they were that much...sorry, you're right...chunk-a-change, there...more than I would have EVER spent...

Just started watching them...and I LOVE the stuff I'm learning...my friend obviously spent a FORTUNE...hoo-boy...got lucky that time, didn't I?

Thanks for the info!

Doug
Message: Posted by: marko (Feb 22, 2004 01:55PM)
Does anyone find irony in the fact that the posts made by those 'students of magic' who not enjoy reading are almost... unreadable?
Message: Posted by: Dbzkid999 (Feb 22, 2004 09:20PM)
I started off with Ammar's Easy to Master Card Miracles series and Card College series.
Message: Posted by: abc (Feb 22, 2004 11:02PM)
Just a response to Gimmick 1586.
I agree but I would learn 2 or 3 sleights and practise them not only one. You should not do a trick for the sleight but for the way you reveal the chosen card. Learn a false shuffle or cut a card control and a sleight that helps you to reveal a card ie a DL. Then learn how to use them. You can do a 100 tricks with that if you know how to perform. You can use the false shuffle andor cut in almost all your tricks. Learn some self working tricks also it is a nice break in a routine.
It has only been mentioned once but Mark Wilson is a sure way to get started well with his Complete course in magic.
Message: Posted by: fengenroll (Feb 24, 2004 07:33AM)
Doesn't matter if it's learning magic or learning to paint, the best way is to learn from someone that is better than you...
F.
Message: Posted by: gerrardlo (Feb 24, 2004 11:51AM)
Hi,
I've been doing card magic for about 6 months now and have progressed quickly. This is due to The Royal Road to Card Magic which is excellent as it covers everything in some detail with good directions. Hope this helps!
Message: Posted by: filem (Feb 27, 2004 06:23PM)
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On 2002-10-05 10:19, secondbaseman wrote:
I've been into cards for a couple of months now and I know a few slights but which book/video/DVD do you guys suggest to learn a lot about card magic from? I really want to be a good card magician.

greetings Niels
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Hello Niels,

if you want to be a good card magician you should perform, for laymen, as much as possible. It doesn't matter that much which books you read. It matters much more how well you interact with people.