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Topic: Coin Magic - Seminar 2
Message: Posted by: Michael Rubinstein (Apr 17, 2005 09:13PM)
Time: November 2004. Place: New York. Event: The New York Coin Magic Seminar. It was a day that attending coin magicians would never forget. Hours of lectures, demonstrations, and workshops, hands on training, unpublished material, free stuff, rare DVD footage of coin magicians of the past,and personal instruction by four of the most influential coin magicians of the past 30 years. It was supposed to be a once only event. Well, we were wrong. That's right, David Roth, Mike Rubinstein, Geoff Latta, and Mike Gallo have decided to go another round. So, on July 16th, 2005, at Marc DeSousa's Magic Theatre outside of Philadelphia, PA, those wild and crazy coin guys are proud to present.............:
THE NEW YORK COIN SEMINAR 2 . This seminar will run 6 hours, and will have the same ingredients that made the first seminar so successful. There will be demonstrations, lectures, unpublished material, free stuff, rare DVD footage of coin magicians of the past, and much hands on coin work with workshops and personal instruction from Roth, Rubinstein, Latta, and Gallo.
How much will this seminar cost? You get six hours of coin magic with all of the above, for $250. In order to give as much personal instruction as possible, this seminar will be limited in size. At this price, the seminar should fill up in no time, so be sure to sign up as soon as possible. Send all serious inquiries to Michael Rubinstein at rubinsteindvm@aol.com. Registration comes with receipt of your payment, and will close when the seats are filled. Hope to see you all in Pennsylvania this summer, Mike Rubinstein for Roth, Rubinstein, Latta, and Gallo.
Message: Posted by: W.F. Lewis (Apr 17, 2005 11:45PM)
Mr. Rubenstein,

Will this one also be in November?

Oh, and are there any more developements on the website you told us about?
Message: Posted by: Michael Rubinstein (Apr 18, 2005 06:21AM)
It will take place July 16, 2005, near Philadelphia. Web site is still being tweaked.
Message: Posted by: popec (Apr 18, 2005 08:10AM)
Iím drooling! Wish I could go. :P
Message: Posted by: Rob Elliott (Apr 18, 2005 10:06AM)
The first one was such an incredible experience, you can bet I'll be there in July!

Mike, how much of the material will be new to those of us who were lucky enough to attend the first seminar?
Message: Posted by: Michael Rubinstein (Apr 18, 2005 09:52PM)
Hey Rob, thanks for posting. Obviously, some of the material covered will be the same (including my updated "Secret Stuff" notes, which is top secret coin material only available at our seminar). However, we will be concentrating on a more hands on approach at this seminar, and get the attendees to actually work through the routines with us. There will also be material that we didn't cover in the first seminar, and an opportunity for the attendees to let us know what areas of coin magic they want to concentrate on or focus on (specific techniques, routines, etc.). As you remember from our first seminar, the magic will be constant, and the learning, intense.
Message: Posted by: Rob Elliott (Apr 19, 2005 09:16AM)
You bet I remember! I like that you're taking the approach of walking us through the routines this time around. My head was spinning so much from the amount of new sleights and routines presented last time around that I had difficulty retaining it all. Practicing the moves will definitely help to cement it in our heads.

It will be great to see you guys again.
Message: Posted by: Dan Watkins (Apr 19, 2005 09:38AM)
Mike,

Do you all provide written or video material on the main topics to aid in going back and studying what was taught after the Seminar?

Dan
Message: Posted by: Rob Elliott (Apr 19, 2005 01:16PM)
Dan,

Each of the presenters provided notes on some of their material. Some of this was brand new unpublished material, and some of it was reprinted from existing books, lecture notes, etc. Although there was a good amount of overlap between what was presented and what was in the notes, the notes weren't meant to cover all of the routines we were shown. Also, the seminar itself didn't at all times necessarily follow a charted course; but rather was geared toward covering what we, the attendees, were interested in discussing; so it would have been impossible for the notes to completely cover any of the spontaneous paths the discussion took. Luckily, Mike R., David, Geoff, and Mike G. had the forethought to provide us with spiral notebooks and pens!
Message: Posted by: matratrgjj (Apr 19, 2005 01:45PM)
Just a quick question? I would consider my coin handling to be at an intermediate level. Would I be in over my head by attending or is there somthing for evryone?
Eric Johnson
Message: Posted by: Dan Watkins (Apr 19, 2005 02:35PM)
Eric, my post is not in response to yours, but yours triggered something I wanted to ask Mike about...

I would hope this would be for intermediate to advanced coin work.

I remember taking part in a Roth workshop about five years ago where people took up a lot of time asking about how to do a shuttle pass and things like that. I just enjoyed listening to Roth's advice but I did not feel I was learning much because the level of stuff the people wanted to work was very basic. Stuff you could easily learn watching his Basic coin magic video.

I would hope a prerequisite would be that participants are knowledgable in the basics (false passes, concealments, etc.).

I personally am more interested in learning routines and applications than tutorials on "moves" that can be learned elsewhere.
Message: Posted by: Rob Elliott (Apr 19, 2005 03:17PM)
In all honesty, with an entrance fee of five bills, I expected to be completely humbled by a roomful of professional, seriously advanced coin workers. Instead, it was mostly hobbyists like myself, some of whom had never even seen Mike's or Dave's videos.

The result was that we got a very broad spectrum of material ranging from practical sleights like shuttle passes and retention vanishes to some more advanced routines. Something for everybody.
Message: Posted by: mike gallo (Apr 19, 2005 03:37PM)
Eric, yes...there is something for everyone. As Rob stated, we cover a broad spectrum of material. Pay close attention to that Latta guy though...man can he do some tough stuff and make it look way tooooo easy ;)!!!

The other Mike
Message: Posted by: Dan Watkins (Apr 19, 2005 03:45PM)
I have heard from the grapevine that the Gallo fella is one to pay close attention to as well :)
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Apr 19, 2005 04:18PM)
Agreed about Latta. When I was getting started, I met him in Tannen's, and took him as an example of how stuff looks when done by a magician. Needless to say watching others got me confused. I just took his example of "that's how stuff is supposed to look" ie that good or better, and set my standards high. :)

If you can get to meet him, DO.
Message: Posted by: Josh Riel (Apr 19, 2005 04:43PM)
Could we shake things up a little and have the seminar in yakima WA.? Pretty please? I would dearly love to see coin magic done by a real human that can do it well. As it is, I am just going to have to get good and watch myself in a mirror. I will have a busy several decades ahead of me.
Message: Posted by: matratrgjj (Apr 19, 2005 05:24PM)
Thanks Guys, count me in.I will be contacting the Doc in a few days with for payment info..
Message: Posted by: Michael Rubinstein (Apr 20, 2005 12:48AM)
Thanks for your interest. At our seminar we have a special package with notes from all of us, including special unpublished material in my Secret Stuff notes(that will be expanded from the first seminar, by the way)that will be available only to our attendees for now. There is also extra stuff in the package that was enjoyed by the attendees of the first seminar. We cater to people of all skill levels, but they do have to be able to do the basic moves in coin magic and be comfortable with Bobo, in order to get the most out of our seminar. In my opinion, most coin magic is not finger twisting, but based on timing. Although some of the more advanced material is difficult, most can be performed by the average coin worker. In our first seminar, some of the people were advanced, but many of the attendees were just guys who wanted to better their coin magic. I don't think that there was anyone who thought that the material was out of their league, but understood that first they had to understand the mechanics of the moves, and then to practice what they learned. And as Rob will tell you, we are there to teach and improve your own coin magic, and open your eyes to new concepts and techniques. Once we get your registration, we will send out a list of affordable hotels in the area, a basic itenerary, and get input from the registrants about any specific material they would like to focus on. Hope to see you at our seminar, Mike
Message: Posted by: mike gallo (Apr 20, 2005 11:30PM)
I have heard from the grapevine that the Gallo fella is one to pay close attention to as well


He has his momments!

Mike
Message: Posted by: saxmangeoff (Apr 22, 2005 05:35PM)
Hey, I'll second the vote for Yakima, WA. Or Josh and I can "split the difference" and we'll have it in Othello, WA. Now [i]that[/i] would be a "Secret Session." There probably aren't more than a handful of magicians within a 200 mile radius of Othello. :goof:

Geoff
Message: Posted by: Josh Riel (Apr 25, 2005 01:39AM)
I believe there are at least 2.

I am lonely!
Message: Posted by: Michael Rubinstein (Apr 26, 2005 06:10PM)
Sorry guys, its going to be near Philadelphia, within easy reach of New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, heck - you can get there by car, bus, train or plane from anywhere!(Even that guy Gallo will be there from Buffalo, assuming the snow drifts aren't too high in July LOL). Send me an e mail with any questions or post them here. Send me a check to confirm a place in the seminar. Be prepared to do some wonderful coin magic. See you there.
Message: Posted by: mike gallo (Apr 26, 2005 09:14PM)
(Even that guy Gallo will be there from Buffalo, assuming the snow drifts aren't too high in July LOL)

Never fear...for I have leased a dog sled team!

Mike
Message: Posted by: wsduncan (Apr 27, 2005 12:07AM)
[quote]
On 2005-04-22 18:35, saxmangeoff wrote:
There probably aren't more than a handful of magicians within a 200 mile radius of Othello.
[/quote]
Geoff,
Othello is 177 miles from Seattle/Tacoma where you can find:
Steve Minch
Steve Dobson
Steve Hobbs
Steve Mayhew
as well as non-Steve magicians
Jack Carpenter
Tobias Pashia
Tom Frank
Philemon Vanderbeck
Master Payne
and a couple others...

And of course, there's Portland where you can find Lee Asher, Reed McClintock and Jim Pace.
Message: Posted by: Michael Rubinstein (May 5, 2005 07:28PM)
I've been asked what constitutes the Secret Stuff Notes that we use at the Seminar. These notes are notes exclusive to the seminar, containing unpublished material that has been held back to provide some exclusivity for our participants. In the first session, the Secret Stuff notes featured several new and practical click passes, two false counts (Forget that Himber Count where you have to pray to make it work, these are the real deal!), a new utility switch and new double face turnover move, a new handling coins across with the last coin going to the specators hand, a hanging coins routine, and a new wave coins through the table. At our next session these notes will be expanded to include the underground work on the wave change, a new four coin production, and more. There might also be some interesting stuff from those guys Gallo and Latta to keep the participants drooling. We also give out other sets of notes, some surprises, and additional goodies that make the seminar an outstanding value. Participants also have an opportunity to purchase material at special prices. For example, at our last seminar Mike Gallo produced a special video exclusive for our seminar which was sold at a very low price.
We are booking a bit faster than last year, so please contact me or post here if you have any additional questions that I can answer. Thanks, Michael Rubinstein

Hey, just read my earlier post and I can't edit it, so I wanted to add that our seminar is not just about the unpublished stuff or goodies, its about learning and sharing top notch coin magic, and helping to make your own coin magic look as magical as possible. Hope to see you all there, Mike
Message: Posted by: mike gallo (May 8, 2005 10:14PM)
Howdy All, I have recieved several PM's and Emails in reguards to the coin seminar and to what I will be doing. Well, I have always been partial to the classics...so that will be the main topic for me...I will also touch on routining effects as well as touches on sleights. If time permitts...I will go over the "Gallo Pitch" as well. As far as the material I will be doing, some has seen print...the majority of what I am going to do has not seen print. I hope this answers your questions. Should you have any others...please...ask away!

Mike
Message: Posted by: Michael Rubinstein (May 19, 2005 06:33AM)
To the many people who have inquired, the only way to reserve a spot is to send in a check or money order. About a month before the seminar we will contact you in order to find out the topics or techniques you want to focus on, as well as give you a list of hotels in the area and directions to the theatre. We will then tailor the seminar to fit the major interests of the group. Feel free to PM me or send me an e mail with any other questions, Mike

Update: May 21 2005

FLASH****** Just got off the phone with David Roth, who is currently in Washington helping Ricky Jay with his show. He told me he will be releasing some new deep back clip techniques at our Seminar!
Message: Posted by: David Melnick (May 23, 2005 11:07AM)
Do you have a start and end time for the seminar? I would love to attend, and will try to make it work flying from Madison, WI. Also, have you developed a web site for the seminar?
Message: Posted by: Michael Rubinstein (May 24, 2005 12:07AM)
As it stands right now, we should be stasrting about noon. The seminar runs six hours, with a break for lunch. We've had some delays in the making of our website, but all necessary information can be found in this thread, and by sending me an e mail. Remember, only payment to me confirms your participation, so be sure to get in your payment as soon as possible. thanks, Mike (If you register before the 15th of June we will be able to get your information about your interests, and try to fit them into our seminar).
Message: Posted by: mike gallo (May 24, 2005 07:20AM)
As it stands right now, we should be stasrting about noon.

Geeze Mike, I never get up before 1 pm :)

The Other Mike (who can also be swarmy)
Message: Posted by: Kainoa (May 24, 2005 09:07AM)
Smarmy!.....I'm not quite sure how exactly the NYC coin guys travel, but I assume it's not as a [url=http://www.spudart.org/blogs/randomthoughts_comments/A2259_0_3_0_C/]swarm[/url].
Message: Posted by: Marc DeSouza (May 27, 2005 09:56AM)
Hi All,

As host for the event, I feel I should give yo a few details about the venue. The Coin Seminar 2 will be held in the Magic Theatre in our home. We are in the suburbs of Philadelphia, about 8 minutes from King of Prussia. There are several low-priced hotels right in the area and details of them will be forthcoming soon. A nice variety of restaurants are nearby as well. The theatre itself is a 32 seat facility with tiered seating, full lighting and video set-up with a 10 foot screen. There is more than ample space for the hands-on breakout sessions. Light refreshments (read sodas, chips and pretzels) will be out all day. Plus you get to run rampant through my library and magic collection...ok, not rampant, but you get the idea. There will be no guided tours ala Copperfield tho ;) Seating is limited so contact Michael Rubinstein now if you want a seat. Hope to see you there on July 16th!

Marc DeSouza
Message: Posted by: mike gallo (May 27, 2005 03:33PM)
Plus you get to run rampant through my library and magic collection

How cool is that...I may never leave with an over like that! Hey Marc, maybe we can sneak off and do some thimbles while everyone else is doing the real stuff...lol!!!

Mike (the house guest who never leaves)
Message: Posted by: Michael Rubinstein (Jun 2, 2005 11:47PM)
The seminar is filling up steadily. In about two weeks I will be contacting all the attendees in order to assess their abilities and to find out the subjects, techniques, and effects they would like to focus on. If you plan on registering, please do so as soon as possible so I can get your input as well. You don't want to be left out of this special opportunity, and the Seminar is only about 7 weeks away!

Update: June 7 2005

OK, we had to do it. It wasn't enough that at Seminar number one we had Gallo as our special guest. You wanted more. It wasn't enough that Gallo has now become a major contributer and partner in Seminar number two. You wanted more. So, for you, we had to do it. Just in case ROTH, LATTA, RUBINSTEIN, and GALLO weren't enough to whet your coin whistles, We kidnapped one of the top coin guys around today and made him a SPECIAL GUEST at our July 16th seminar at Marc's Magic Theatre outside of Philadelphia. That's SIX HOURS of intense coin magic with FIVE of the biggest innovators and teachers of coin magic around today. And who do you think this SPECIAL GUEST is? The answer to be revealed in the next FIVE Days!! You guys who have already signed up are in for a special treat. Those who are on the fence should get in line now! Answer to be revealed soon (heheheh).......

Update: June 8 2005

OK, Special Guest hint number one.....He appears on the COINvention DVD. Name to be revealed in 4 days! Keep your eyes posted on this thread for additional information!

Update: June 9 2005

Two PM's, both wrong! If I see any correct answers here, I will reveal our mystery guest. Hint number two, his magic is modern, but his interests are Victorian. Hmmmmmmm, that should give it away to those who know him......
Message: Posted by: Curtis Kam (Jun 9, 2005 02:09PM)
Wait--I know! Underground Koinman Kenton Knepper?
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jun 9, 2005 02:47PM)
Hmmm, does his name have a "K" in it? Did his recent book have one of my moves in it? :D
Message: Posted by: Larry Davidson (Jun 9, 2005 02:53PM)
[quote]
On 2005-06-09 15:09, Curtis Kam wrote:
Wait--I know! Underground Koinman Kenton Knepper?
[/quote]

Knot!
Message: Posted by: Vandy Grift (Jun 9, 2005 03:02PM)
Sounds exciting, wonder how long the good Doctor can keep this info "bottled" up.
Message: Posted by: Michael Rubinstein (Jun 9, 2005 06:43PM)
I'm feeling the heat! OK, you all win. I'll reveal the Special Guest Tonight (Although two people who recently posted already know LOL!)
Message: Posted by: Curtis Kam (Jun 9, 2005 07:30PM)
Don't tell me--I was "Off by One".
Message: Posted by: Michael Rubinstein (Jun 9, 2005 08:07PM)
Our special guest will be none other than KAINOA HARBOTTLE, a great guy and wonderful coin worker. He is known for extremely interesting edge grip techniques and Mutobe palm applications (along with an occassional coin out of the nose), and will be glad to share his insights with you at the Seminar! There is still space available, although with the addition of our added guest I would advise sending in your registration as soon as possible. E mail me with any additional questions you may have.
Message: Posted by: Kainoa (Jun 12, 2005 07:19AM)
This swarm of New Yorkers in Pennsylvania will make for a truly informative time for all attendees; the Hawaiian will just sort of be there to discuss the intricacies of orifice coin magic.

Seriously, as an educator, the highlight of this intense workshop for me is the fact that the topics are designed specifically to the skill level and interests of the people who come. And since youíll have access to exciting new material that will [bold]only[/bold] appear in the seminar, this is the best opportunity to see material live and ask the questions you've always wanted to about it. This is going to be a lot of fun......and I get to play with Marcís books......
Message: Posted by: mike gallo (Jun 12, 2005 08:36AM)
Kainoa...sorry pal, but I'm pulling rank on the book playing :) All kidding aside, it's going to be great having you there! Your techniques on edge grip and the Mutobe palm will be a wonderful addition to the seminar! I'm starting to feel like I died and went to coin Heaven!!!

Mike
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Jun 12, 2005 01:41PM)
This going to be another great get-together I see. Glad to hear of KH being added, the guy has some killer stuff. Gotta admit, thought maybe you were going to add someone really wild and creative, like Jay Sankey (I know, I know, that's crazy right?) ;)...But I guess even with all of his ability and accomplishment, he might be the wrong sorta dude for this kinda party. But I hope one day to attend when some of these other guys are included too. Though obviously not a part of this kind of club, I still think Sankey would have a lot of interesting things to teach and say. Say what you want about his personality but the guy is very, very good. I've had the good fortune to dine in some of the world's best restaurants in my travels, and I've also been in some great dives and joints. Always got the best food from the fine restaurants, but always had the best time and meal at the joints and dives (incidentally, some great food served in these places too.) Go figure! :) I guess for now, Kainoi will be as far out, even zany (with an assortment of 1-liners thrown in by Gallo) as they are willing to go at this time. Oh well, on with the show. :)
Message: Posted by: Kainoa (Jun 12, 2005 04:22PM)
Hey, I [b]am[/b] the dirty spoon of the lot. I'm hoping someone will teach me the secret hand shake when I get to Marc's because heaven knows I haven't learned it yet.

I'm sure Jay is out there doing his usual quality of work for [url=http://www.penguinmagic.com]Penguin[/url] and the world. He'll have to make it to that in-the-hazy-future England Coinvention everyone's been whispering about, since we missed him the last time we had it. Maybe we'll make him the special guest? I heard he was a big hit in the UK.

Thanks for the kind words, M.B..........Kainoi

[quote]
On 2005-06-12 09:36, mike gallo wrote:
Kainoa...sorry pal, but I'm pulling rank on the book playing :) All kidding aside, it's going to be great having you there! Your techniques on edge grip and the Mutobe palm will be a wonderful addition to the seminar! I'm starting to feel like I died and went to coin Heaven!!!

Mike


[/quote]

Hey Mike.....just as long as no one makes fun of my mother this time, it will be swell.....If you do go to coin Heaven, I call dibs on your earthly gaffs.
Message: Posted by: Michael Rubinstein (Jun 14, 2005 08:44PM)
Announcement to all who have registered: I will be calling you in about a week to go over your major interests and to discuss final details. To those who have expressed interest but who have not sent in payment as yet, please let me know your intentions, so I can add your input to the Seminar. Be sure to send in your check or money order as soon as possible, in order to secure your place in the Seminar! Thanks, Mike Rubinstein
Message: Posted by: Curtis Kam (Jun 14, 2005 09:03PM)
".....If you do go to coin Heaven, I call dibs on your earthly gaffs."

Gallo uses gaffs???? Man, that explains everything!
Message: Posted by: mike gallo (Jun 15, 2005 05:37AM)
Gallo uses gaffs???? Man, that explains everything!

And he's left handed...so I've heard.

Mike
Message: Posted by: Curtis Kam (Jun 15, 2005 03:05PM)
And Kainoa's right-handed, but he does coin magic left handed. He's probably doing it just to impress you, Mike. :)

I think everyone else is like me. Vanishes on the left, productions on the right, the way it's supposed to be.
Message: Posted by: Kainoa (Jun 16, 2005 11:22AM)
[quote]
On 2005-06-15 16:05, Curtis Kam wrote:
And Kainoa's right-handed, but he does coin magic left handed. He's probably doing it just to impress you, Mike. :)

I think everyone else is like me. Vanishes on the left, productions on the right, the way it's supposed to be.


[/quote]

Actually, I vanish and produce with both hands....the way it's supposed to be.....

And when I first started on the Curtis Kam/Gary Kurtz material, I made a conscious effort to learn the tough stuff with a left-handed emphasis so that I could shake hands with people but still be holding out....
Message: Posted by: Michael Rubinstein (Jun 19, 2005 05:07PM)
UPDATE 6/19/05...There are still seats left for the Seminar, but time is growing short. For those of you who are still deciding, here are some quotes from the
Cafť about the first Seminar:
"Words do not do justice to this event - the amount of knowledge each expert gave was fantastic. I hope it happens again - I'll be there!!!"
- Ted

"I will literally spend years going through the material you taught plus the material in the lecture notes you gave. The selfish part of me does not want this to happen again so that the 8 of us who attended will be the only recipients of this incredible teaching experience. 8 students, 4 teachers, a pretty good ratio.

My wife asked me if it was worth it as soon as I got back. I had two answers:

Plane trip to NY--$260
2 nights hotel--$300
The event--$500
Spending the day getting personal, hands-on instruction from each of these four, listening to their stories, getting advice on many things magical, learning their opinions, and making their acquaintance--priceless".
-Gene

"What an incredibly wonderful, intense experience. First, the seminar was extremely well organized and David, Geoff, Michael and Mike were so professional yet created an informal environment where we could ask questions and get advice on any aspect of coin magic. It has also provided me with a good foundation to continue practicing and to expand upon what I learned. I can't say enough good things about the day. Absolutely worth the money and something I would do again in a second".
- David

"I was looking for something that would serve as a springboard for my coin magic--what better way to accomplish this than by spending a day with David Roth, Geoff Latta, Michael Rubinstein and Mike Gallo. You guys were just fantastic. You were patient, professional, enthusiastic and very forthcoming with answers to all of our questions. The day was very well planned out, from the setup of the room, lectures, and demonstrations to the organization of the portfolios, the lecture notes, the archive footage, workshops and dinner. What I got out of it personally is a clear understanding of what I need to do, to get to where I want to go. Again, I would highly encourage anyone who is looking to improve their magic, to participate in your seminars".
- Ceasar

For additional quotes and information about the first event, check out the following thread: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=81312&forum=3&69&start=60#8
Be sure to contact me if you have any questions about the Philadelphia event in July. Thanks, Mike

Update: June 23 2005

I'm calling everyone Saturday and Sunday afternoon. If you need a more convenient time, e mail me. Also, if you didn't send me your number, please do so ASAP. Thanks, Mike
Message: Posted by: Gaston Quieto (Jun 25, 2005 06:03AM)
Hi Guys,

I wish I could go....but july is very busy for me here in Dubai ,if not you bet I ll be there. Hope I can put my hands on that secret stuff later on! great event!

Best
Gaston
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Jun 25, 2005 08:23AM)
Mike,

I know you guys are good, I guess in a way you guys are "Masters." I've seen your work and the time and effort is quite evident, along with all you have contributed to the craft, so all due respect. :) But how good are the guys that attend your seminars? I mean, you have to have some oppinion of their abilities. Obviously, by their interest and willingness to spend and attend, they must be able to do a little something. But how good are they? Anyone surprise you and be better than you mightve thunk...Ever seen anyone better than any of you guys, or yourself? Anyone that showed the potential to be even better. Just asking? :)
Message: Posted by: mike gallo (Jun 25, 2005 09:29AM)
MB217...why not just attend and find out?

Mike
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Jun 25, 2005 12:11PM)
Might do that one day soon, Mike. :) I can't make this one this time around but I do hope to attend one of your events as they sound most interesting. I was just wondering about when the teacher sees a student that might be even better than he is, even though the student doesn't even recognize it. Or perhaps the teacher rarely comes across anyone as good and maybe that might be a good thing. ;)
Message: Posted by: Michael Rubinstein (Jun 25, 2005 01:03PM)
At our first Seminar, there was one guy who was a serious coin and card man. Most of the others were enthusiasts, who wanted to improve their coin magic. There are a few serious coin guys coming this time round, and I suspect some with more limited skills, who are eager to learn and have a fun, fullfilling coin day. To answer your question, I think that you can always learn and improve yourself, regardless of your level. We are presenting material that a serious professional can use, but outside of some of the deep backclipping stuff most people with a basic-intermediate knowledge of coin magic should be able to perform the material we present. Coin magic is about timing and being smooth and delicate, not about finger cramping. And, most importantly, finding ways to make your magic look more magical. With errands on the schedule today, I'll give most people a call this evening, or tomorrow afternoon. Those I can't reach, I'll talk to during the week. Thanks, Mike
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Jun 25, 2005 02:38PM)
Now, that's really the "Mike" I actually meant my post for initially. :) No disrespect to Gallo, but he's more of the "short & sweet" to the point type of guy (he also has some really good come-backs and one-liners at times too) :) But I more wanted to hear such a response as given by you, the Good Doctor (not Dr. J) ;) I appreciate your posts, both you Mike's...:) Have a good event. :)

Hey, so where do coin men such as yourselves go to learn, I mean sort of like what you're setting up here for others? Just asking? Don't tell me, Ol' JT is really teaching all you guys in the back room right....:)
Message: Posted by: Michael Rubinstein (Jun 25, 2005 07:26PM)
When we don't come up with new things and explore their applications, we do what everyone else should be doing...read. Best way for me to get new ideas is to "play" with coins in my hands...something may strike me and I go off on a tangent. But, I may see something performed by another magician, or read about something ...a move, a routine, an application, etc, and it takes me down totally new avenues. And it beats figuring out why Mrs. Smith's 14 year old cat keeps puking every food source known to mankind once a week!
Message: Posted by: Pachin (Jun 27, 2005 03:46PM)
Michael, for those who cannot attend the seminar (would love to but cannot make it in that date) what other alternatives do we have ? I am sure that there are a lot of guys that are under the same situation and do not want to miss all this new information. Would you guys consider putting together like a package with at least copies of all the lecture notes and maybe put it on sale for us ? I know that it is not the same than having the master in front of you, but at least we can learn it somehow? Are you planning a second Seminar in the near future ? I would appreciate your comments. Thanks
Message: Posted by: Michael Rubinstein (Jun 27, 2005 11:21PM)
What makes going to our Seminar special, is the opportunity to get new stuff ahead of everyone else. Down the line we may or may not release the material to a wider audience, but for now, the new material is exclusive to the attendees. One of the moves that was showcased at the first Seminar almost a year ago, will appear in Genii in a few months. So, they guys who went had a year head start on everyone else. Not all of the information provided will ever get out, however, so if you can attend, please make your arrangements as soon as possible. Thanks for the inquiry!

Update: July 4 2005

Happy 4th of July! Our Seminar is on the 16th, and that's where the real fireworks start. Our group is almost full, but with only a few spots left there is still time to register! E mail me ASAP, as we are only about two weeks away. You have seen how great the 2003 COINvention turned out if you got to see the DVD, and we will be having 6 of the participants at our Seminar! Sign up soon, this is an event you don't want to miss. I have contacted most of the attendees, those I did not speak with yet I will be calling Tues or Wednesday.

Update: July 8 2005

Seven days to go, and because you asked, I will reveal that as part of the "package", you will get 2 DVD's available no where else. They are exclusive to this Seminar for now. E mail me for last minute registration information. Hope to see you there!
Message: Posted by: Kainoa (Jul 9, 2005 07:18PM)
Make that [b]three[/b] DVD's availabe no where else. :thumbsup:
Message: Posted by: Dan Watkins (Jul 9, 2005 10:12PM)
Does that include Gallo's video that he makes available for sale there or would that make it 4 videos exclusively available there?
Message: Posted by: Michael Rubinstein (Jul 10, 2005 12:10AM)
Three exclusive DVD's are included in our giveaway package. That, in addition to notes by Latta, Gallo, Roth, myself, and Kainoa. I also have a set of unpublished material (the Secret Stuff Notes), and there may be an extra surprise or two (have to keep some mystery!). There will be an exclusive Seminar video from Gallo available for sale (yes, only at the Seminar, and it sold out at our first Seminar!), and we will have additional material available to our attendees at a special price (although the focus of our Seminar is not to sell stuff, we have been asked to bring material for purchase and this will be available for those who request it).
Message: Posted by: Werner G. Seitz (Jul 10, 2005 01:41AM)
Hopefully, 10 years from now, these DVDs get available for sale to the unfortunate ones not able to participate ? :)

Oh, forgot.. :) by that time -if I'm still around- I'll probably using a walking stick and aren't even able to decently palm a coin ? :goof:
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Jul 10, 2005 06:19AM)
Werner that's two of us....................
what ever happened to sharing....... I learned more magic in hallways and street corners........before video or dvds........

the godfather of magic
Message: Posted by: Werner G. Seitz (Jul 10, 2005 06:44AM)
Don't worry Vinny, we can always share a walking stick :)..and one day they'll get old too and we might still be able to hit them with our stick whilst they are waiting for theirs... :goof:

I take revenge..I'll not showing them my own and 'best' coin-routine.
I'll keep it for myself and will not put it on DVD :kermit:
Message: Posted by: mike gallo (Jul 10, 2005 11:11AM)
Don't worry Vinny, we can always share a walking stick ..and one day they'll get old too and we might still be able to hit them with our stick whilst they are waiting for theirs...


Werner, while hitting us with the stick...please don't shout out incantations like...poof, you're a frog! ;)


Mike
Message: Posted by: Werner G. Seitz (Jul 10, 2005 11:23AM)
[quote]
On 2005-07-10 12:11, mike gallo wrote:
Werner, while hitting us with the stick...please don't shout out incantations like...poof, you're a frog! ;)
Mike[/quote] I'm evil...one never knows :goof:
Message: Posted by: Michael Rubinstein (Jul 10, 2005 09:45PM)
Vinnie, I think that the hosts of this Seminar have been very generous in sharing their magical creations over the past 25 - 30 years: at lectures, in magazines, books, videos, and DVD's. The purpose of our Seminar is not to "hold back" the good stuff from the masses, but to give an opportunity for magicians to learn directly from us in a very personal way. The material we will teach will be varied, in technique, style, and level of difficulty. The unpublished material we are providing is a bit of an incentive to come, and every Seminar has a slightly different package of material, which makes the event unique. As with the first Seminar, people are coming from many different parts of the country, which also adds to the variety of people that will be attending. If you can't make this one, hopefully you will be able to catch the next one at some point in the future (maybe even in Europe, Werner!). Still a couple of spots left, and 4 days to register. Who's going to step up and fill them?
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Jul 11, 2005 12:30AM)
Mike No disrespect intended... As for your material I have always stated that your coin videos are one of the best if not the best teaching tools for the novice as WELL AS FOR THE EXPERINCED COIN WORKER.....
I am glad to hear that there will be no holes barred in holding back material. I have been to many conventions where the lectures exposed other magicians work but not their own, and some did not even want video cameras while they performed personal works........
that's why m I made the statement about sharing........and hallways ect....
I can not make this event but will try my best to attend your next one/
I wll be going to the Dusheck's lecture on november 6th hope to see you and Mike there.
vinny
Message: Posted by: Geoff Latta (Jul 11, 2005 04:45PM)
On the subject of sharing the "real work", I should probably tell everyone right now that I've decided to give up my backclip work at the seminar; an original recovery, an original switch (and a few other things) and several signature effects that I've only shared with a few people in the last thirty years. Things I've used as openers and closers and have never published. We have a couple of seats still open; write Mike if you're interested.

Best,

Geoff
Message: Posted by: Dan Watkins (Jul 11, 2005 06:21PM)
[quote]
On 2005-05-19 07:33, Michael Rubinstein wrote:
FLASH****** Just got off the phone with David Roth, who is currently in Washington helping Ricky Jay with his show. He told me he will be releasing some new deep back clip techniques at our Seminar!

On 2005-07-11 17:45, Geoff Latta wrote:
On the subject of sharing the "real work", I should probably tell everyone right now that I've decided to give up my backclip work at the seminar; an original recovery, an original switch (and a few other things) ...[/quote]

Sounds like someone requested back clip work :)

I look forward to seeing you all there.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jul 11, 2005 06:53PM)
You are in for a treat folks. Back in 1975-77 I got to see Geoff do some effects using Deep BackClip. VERY SMOOTH. Also got to see David use the Flash Change in routine. Amazing!

Neither Geoff nor David tipped their moves then, so I had to invent what I needed. You folks are not only getting to see some magic, but also the explanations and benefit of their teaching. Enjoy!
Message: Posted by: Michael Rubinstein (Jul 11, 2005 07:21PM)
Dan, David will teach a new application for the deep back clip as I understand it, and Geoff as he said above, is going to give up some of the stuff he has guarded for the past 30 yrs. I think you'll be pleased. Vinnie, no disrespect taken, I enjoy reading your posts. I just have this image of Werner beating Gallo with a cane, telling him to give up the good stuff or he'll turn him into a frog. Yeesh! Hope you're able to make one of the Seminars in the future, but there are still a paltry few days left to register.
Message: Posted by: mike gallo (Jul 11, 2005 08:32PM)
I just have this image of Werner beating Gallo with a cane, telling him to give up the good stuff or he'll turn him into a frog.

Gee Mike, you could be my personal physician then.

Mike
Message: Posted by: Michael Rubinstein (Jul 11, 2005 09:08PM)
If I took care of you as a frog, you might croak.
Message: Posted by: mike gallo (Jul 12, 2005 12:56AM)
If I took care of you as a frog, you might croak.


Mike, That was bad...I hope you do better Saturday...LOL!

Mike
Message: Posted by: Michael Rubinstein (Jul 13, 2005 08:14PM)
One last day to register by e mail. After that, you will be able to register on the morning of the Seminar, at the door. However, you will need to call me or Marc DeSouza to get directions and to make sure we have a spot open for you. Thanks to all who are attending, and look forward to meeting you on Saturday!