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Topic: The 50 post dash
Message: Posted by: Soupdragon (Apr 22, 2005 11:21AM)
Do others find it irritating & a little "off" when a new member justs posts one liners and irrelevant stuff just to make the 50 post mark in the shortest of time?
thay must have no time to actually PRACTICE their routines!

Maybe I'm just a grumpy old sod!

Somehow I feel there's so much to absorb and enjoy on the slow meander to the 50 point.
Message: Posted by: migwar (Apr 22, 2005 11:48AM)
Lol but now your 1 post closer, to be honest I'm in no rush for 50 posts, so much relevent info on the boards anyway. I'm happy to lurk
Message: Posted by: Frank Tougas (Apr 22, 2005 11:50AM)
As a former staff member I can answer that. YES it is annoying, which is why once found the total is lowered to relevant, contributory messages regarding magic. It took me three months or more to reach 50 and now look where I am. The truth be told I am seldom in the sections granted to me by the fifty post rule as often they are boring and not as interesting as talking with new people or people who specialize in the areas I like. Moral of the story: Take time to smell the coffee.

Frank Tougas
Message: Posted by: Corey Harris (Apr 22, 2005 11:55AM)
It does get aggrivating with the newer guys that come in and post just quick replys like "yes, I agree, ok, sure....ect". or they start stupid toppics and reply to themselves alot. I am with frank along with seldom being in the secret sessions section. I might go to it once a week if even that.
Message: Posted by: rikbrooks (Apr 22, 2005 12:34PM)
I go into the secret sessions a lot but really don't post there as much as other places. I guess for the same reasons. It does feel a little nice not having to worry about how I word something to prevent exposure though.

As for those that post the frivolous messages. I just scroll past them. They'll be very disappointed when they get to the Secret Sessions and find that the answer is usually what it is out here...

PRACTICE
Message: Posted by: Steve Friedberg (Apr 22, 2005 12:47PM)
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On 2005-04-22 12:55, Corey Harris wrote:
It does get aggrivating with the newer guys that come in and post just quick replys like "yes, I agree, ok, sure....ect". or they start stupid toppics and reply to themselves alot. I am with frank along with seldom being in the secret sessions section. I might go to it once a week if even that.
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Yes. I agree. OK. Sure...etc.

:)

What surprises many of the newbies who make a "run for the border" (as I used to say when on the staff here) is when the get to the oh-so-secret sections...there really aren't any deep, dark secrets. There is a more thorough discussion of philosophy as well as some ideas for new effects that others have developed.

As for me...I'm making that mad dash for the Inner Circle at 1000 posts. Oh man, I can hardly wait: the special handshake, free refreshments, and a 50% mileage bonus. Oh wait...that's America West. Never mind.
Message: Posted by: Ollie1235 (Apr 22, 2005 12:51PM)
I do find it annoying, but I have to say I did post perhaps more than needed in order to get into the secret sessions forum when I first became a member. so I suppose I cant really complain to much.

ollie
Message: Posted by: Justin2200 (Apr 22, 2005 01:19PM)
I guess I can agree partly here, being a new member myself. I been here for a few weeks anyway, and I have learned so much without access to the secret forum..even though it would still be nice to have the access to it, I can usually see how a trick is done just by watching it, I don't really have to go look it up.
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Apr 22, 2005 02:01PM)
For the new people:

Just so ya know...Secret Sessions has no "How It's Done..." expose's...in other words, if you're racing for that Secret Sessions access, you'll be disappointed. The thing I DO like, is that, if you have a gaff or gimmick, and want tips on how to better use it, or if you need help with a special move that is exclusive to that trick, you'll find great helpful ideas...

For those with less than 50, and you need special help about an item you have, or would like to discuss methods, you can always PM someone. Never ask how something's done, as that will get you flamed! Even after thirty-plus years doing magic, I've learned that lesson over and over. :bg:

Doug
Message: Posted by: Frank Tougas (Apr 22, 2005 02:35PM)
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On 2005-04-22 13:47, Steve Friedberg wrote:As for me...I'm making that mad dash for the Inner Circle at 1000 posts. Oh man, I can hardly wait: the special handshake, free refreshments, and a 50% mileage bonus. Oh wait...that's America West. Never mind.[/quote]

Steve you forgot about the secret decoder ring. Drink Ovaltine! :)

Frank Tougas
Message: Posted by: Steve Friedberg (Apr 22, 2005 07:32PM)
Sorry, Frank...that's only up in first class. Or the Kitchen.
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Apr 22, 2005 08:41PM)
Steve, Tex, Frank,

I couldn't believe that this topic attracted you gentlemen. But then I read it without the bifocals.

You've associated with the over 50 crowd. Right?

You old guys got fifty posts for birthdays while you were on staff!

OK, I've had my fun. Good to see the gang out there pretending they're "New to Magic?" still. (I know Steve's IBM number is in Roman numerals. Frank's wand is petrified wood --- now! Tex remembers before the Alamo!)

Got to go. It's bed check here at the nursing home.

Ya'll behave (someday!)

Bob
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: Justin2200 (Apr 22, 2005 08:42PM)
[quote]
On 2005-04-22 15:01, Dougini wrote:
For those with less than 50, and you need special help about an item you have, or would like to discuss methods, you can always PM someone. Never ask how something's done, as that will get you flamed! Even after thirty-plus years doing magic, I've learned that lesson over and over. :bg:

Doug
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I can understand why magicians won't want secrets to get out to laymen. But flaming other magicians for asking? Blows my mind...
Message: Posted by: rikbrooks (Apr 23, 2005 06:20AM)
A magician should know better than to ask. It's almost an insult to ask. We aren't a bunch of juveniles circling around behind the barn to gaze in awe at a stolen copy of Daddy's Playboy. We are magicians. It's part of our code not to expose secrets. When you ask us to expose you are asking us to violate that code and just the asking brings the assumption that you think lowly enough of us to imagine that we might answer.

It's an insult.

You know something, Justin? Forgive me for assuming here, but perhaps you aren't aware of the Magician's Code of Ethics. Here it is for you - just in case you, or some that are reading this, have never seen it. Please take careful note of item 3.

1) Oppose the willful exposure to the public of any principles of the Art of Magic, or the methods employed in any magic effect or illusion.

2) Display ethical behavior in the presentation of magic to the public and in our conduct as magicians, including not interfering with or jeopardizing the performance of another magician either through personal intervention or the unauthorized use of another's creation.

3) Recognize and respect for rights of the creators, inventors, authors, and owners of magic concepts, presentations, effects and literature, and their rights to have exclusive use of, or to grant permission for the use by others of such creations.

4) Discourage false or misleading statements in the advertising of effects, and literature, merchandise or actions pertaining to the magical arts.

5) Discourage advertisement in magic publications for any magical apparatus, effect, literature or other materials for which the advertiser does not have commercial rights.

6) Promote the humane treatment and care of livestock used in magical performances.
Message: Posted by: MWG_T_H_O_M_A_S (Apr 23, 2005 06:56AM)
I'm in no rush to get to 50 either, I think its more important to work out how YOU do tricks, so they become more natural to you. As opposed to attempting to emulate someone elses style, and thus not looking so natural.

:)

Tom
Message: Posted by: calexa (Apr 23, 2005 10:21AM)
I don't think it is that important to get the 50 posts. In the "restricted areas" you might discuss magic with a deepe runderstanding, but very often newcomer think that they can find "secrets" there - which is not true.

Magixx
Message: Posted by: Soupdragon (Apr 23, 2005 11:02AM)
2) Display ethical behavior in the presentation of magic to the public and in our conduct as magicians, including not interfering with or jeopardizing the performance of another magician either through personal intervention or the unauthorized use of another's creation.

so how does someome like Derren Brown stand? Doesn't he say in his advertising that it's psychology, not magic?
Message: Posted by: Dave V (Apr 23, 2005 11:14AM)
Rikbrooks,
All true, but sorta harsh on the guy... I have no problem talking about magic to other magicians. But I still don't "expose" just for the sake of exposing. And I believe it should be done away from the eavesdroppers, thus the "Secret Sessions" area was formed.

What Justin may not have considered is that the Magic Café isn't a private meeting place where magicians gather. It's a "public commons" area visited by magicians as well as the general public and "secret seekers." What is said here is available for the whole world to read. That's why we have the controls we do.

Mr. Brooks (Steve, not Rik) decided that if a person contributed 50 useful posts that he's serious enough to be allowed into the "Secret Sessions" area. This is really the only viable test that works in this digital forum as we can't know the visitor's intentions otherwise.

FYI, Several noted magicians are here, and still don't have the required 50 post count.
Message: Posted by: alson (Apr 23, 2005 12:16PM)
When I first came here , I had already been in magic almost 40 some years so I really didn't care about the 50 posts. In stead what I did find were a lot of people that were glad to help me with books that was wriiten on a certain thing or how to get ideas to do a theme for a magic show. This place is great for he;lp like that . I think it took me qiute awhile to get 50 but I enjoy the Café along the way .
Alson
Message: Posted by: Soupdragon (Apr 23, 2005 04:53PM)
[quote]FYI, Several noted magicians are here, and still don't have the required 50 post count.[/quote]

Now that's a very valid point! Keeps things in perspective.
Message: Posted by: Stanyon (Apr 23, 2005 05:09PM)
I found that once you get to the "Secret Sessions" it is a place where you can find out how much you really don't know!

FWIW

Cheers! ;)
Message: Posted by: Justin2200 (Apr 25, 2005 08:40PM)
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On 2005-04-23 07:20, rikbrooks wrote:

3) Recognize and respect for rights of the creators, inventors, authors, and owners of magic concepts, presentations, effects and literature, and their rights to have exclusive use of, or to grant permission for the use by others of such creations.
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Ok I can understand this to an extent. But from some things I have read on the Café here, this is getting way out of hand. It's like 100x worse than the RIAA or MPAA ever will be....I do magic for the fun of it, not so I can make billions of dollars (clearly an exaggeration) for selling a new method of spreading cards. Geez, I'm beginning to be afraid that if I fan my cards the wrong way that someone is gonna come bust my door down and take me to court for a million bucks. It's such a turnoff.

And you were correct. I was not aware of the "Magician's code of ethics." Who exactly came up with this code, and what is making me keep it? (Not that I plan on breaking it.) Respect is probably a very good reason. When the masked magician was on TV, I didn't really understand the reasoning for why he didn't want to show himself. Now I do. But heres another question. If nobody is to reveal secrets, then how are people supposed to learn. And we wonder why magic is a dying art! Everyone is too worried about their rights and ownership and "not exposing the secret." I play around with my cards, and come up with little things to add to my list of tricks, but these tricks have probably already been copyrighted by someone else. I guess my point is, theres too much crap going on now to have any fun with magic anymore. If ignorance is what it takes for me to enjoy the magic I do, then I will stay ignorant.

I trust that after reading this post, that even though you may not respect my decisions as a magician, that you will still respect me as a person. That's all I ask.
Message: Posted by: Leon of PrimRose (Apr 28, 2005 06:48PM)
Lol. It is true, but don't they have people always checking posts and deleting ones like that?