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Topic: Paper Engine...over-rated?
Message: Posted by: dam0n (May 19, 2005 08:04AM)
Hi guys,

I've done some searching, and looks like some of the Caf members are rather divided on aaron fisher's book. Any of you mind to explain the nature of the material and what about it wasn't too practical to your personal preference?

From what I'm aware of, the book concentrates on several outstanding 'invisible' passes...what else is there to it?

regards...
Message: Posted by: harishjose (May 19, 2005 09:21AM)
Hi Damon,
I have the book and I havent been inspired by it. I was inspired by only one or two effects. I bought the book because of all the hype I got from many members. Apparently they loved it. I believe that you always learn something from anything. But this was a tad expensive.
I am sorry I cant go deep because, I don't really remember the contents.
Message: Posted by: dam0n (May 20, 2005 12:54AM)
Thanks Harish, any recollection of what those two effects were about?
Message: Posted by: eryanic (May 20, 2005 01:15AM)
I agree with jose...a little bit over-hyped...:D

I reckon you should get the Encyclopedia of Card Flourishes instead..:D
*kekeke*
Message: Posted by: hitmouse (May 20, 2005 10:51AM)
Funny how a book which produced almost religious adulation in some quarters when it came out is almost never mentioned now.
Message: Posted by: dam0n (May 20, 2005 10:52AM)
Lol~ Hitmouse, are you trying to say something..
Message: Posted by: harishjose (May 20, 2005 11:41AM)
It was actually a sleight to do a one hand pop up move and an effect based on that.
Message: Posted by: doug brewer (May 20, 2005 12:15PM)
The "slow motion collectors in the spectator's hands" is an excellent trick in this book.
Message: Posted by: eryanic (May 22, 2005 11:44PM)
Is that the real doug brewer?
Message: Posted by: Tom Cutts (May 23, 2005 04:40PM)
Relatively there are two basic schools of thinking in card magic. There is the "any deck anywhere" philosophy, and then there is the light touch, very deliberately delicate handling of cards. Think of it this way. There are fiddle players and there are violin virtuosos.

In [b][i]Paper Engine[/i][/b] Aaron Fisher adeptly puts forth his philosophy which is not only of the light touch and delicate variety, but also uses gravity to acomplish moves which were previously attained by the use of finger flinging. What this means is that [i]the moves[/i] are much more deceptive because one does not have the fingers moving when nothing should be seen.

If one wants to pursue this style of handling cards, [b][i]Paper Engine[/i][/b] is an outstanding schooling in the ways of light touch handling with cards. Especially in Aaron's hands the moves seem impossible to those unfamiliar with the techniques put forth in this book.

Keep in mind that full pursuit of this philosophy might require that you rethink much that you have learned in card magic and that you relearn most of the slights you use. If you choose this path you will be well compensated with effortless seeming sleights that are equally devastating on magicians and laypeople.

Hope that helps,

Tom
Message: Posted by: S.Segal (May 23, 2005 04:43PM)
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On 2005-05-23 00:44, eryanic wrote:
Is that the real doug brewer?
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Yes it is...

S.Segal
Message: Posted by: card123 (May 24, 2005 07:24AM)
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On 2005-05-23 17:43, S.Segal wrote:
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On 2005-05-23 00:44, eryanic wrote:
Is that the real doug brewer?
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Yes it is...

S.Segal
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Is that the real S.segal?
Message: Posted by: ClouDsss (May 24, 2005 09:27AM)
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On 2005-05-24 08:24, card123 wrote:
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On 2005-05-23 17:43, S.Segal wrote:
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On 2005-05-23 00:44, eryanic wrote:
Is that the real doug brewer?
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Yes it is...

S.Segal
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Is that the real S.segal?
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Yes it is...

ClouDsss

Oh and I really am ClouDsss...end of story :P
Message: Posted by: dam0n (May 24, 2005 11:01AM)
Thanks for the insights Tom...still deciding on a coupla books..maybe this can wait a bit..
Message: Posted by: bsears (May 24, 2005 12:47PM)
If you are looking for a "quick fix" or something self working you can throw into your show next weekend, look elsewhere. The Paper Engine is MUCH deeper than that. I found it to be very inspirational.

Look at the (top) names in card magic who have praised it (read Swiss review in Jenii for starters) and you'll get an idea of its value.
Message: Posted by: dam0n (May 25, 2005 04:55AM)
Bsears> got a link to that review?
Message: Posted by: Eric Jones (Jun 6, 2005 08:15PM)
I'm primarily a coin guy myself. I'd attempted to learn card magic and wasn't interested in anything I'd seen in person until I watched Aaron work after a lecture. The Gravity Half Pass is an Invisible move when done properly, and Aaron does this perfectly.

I perform Revolution Number 9 daily, as well as the diminishing lift sequence taught. The book was a joy to read and I hope to one day be able to perform card magic with the same grace that Aaron wields.....

Eric Jones
Prestidigitator
Message: Posted by: anticoin (Jun 9, 2005 03:46AM)
Over rated or not, it's something you should read if you have the money.

This applies to all books. It's nice to read how top magicians present their tricks, how they compile and structure them into a book.
But if money is indeed an issue, I would say not to buy this book.
Message: Posted by: Free_Mind (Jun 11, 2005 10:36AM)
I found this book to be overhyped myself. There were a few effects that I enjoyed reading and his work on the pass and bluff move was very good but besides that this book is nothing exciting.
Message: Posted by: camador (Jun 11, 2005 02:41PM)
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On 2005-06-11 11:36, Free_Mind wrote:
I found this book to be overhyped myself. There were a few effects that I enjoyed reading and his work on the pass and bluff move was very good but besides that this book is nothing exciting.
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What else did you want??? This is one of the books that I had in my list and Ive just got it today and at a first glance, I think Ill enjoy too much. Aaron card handling is natural, light and efforless and...Im off for a good read.

Regards
Message: Posted by: zur (Jun 11, 2005 06:21PM)
I only heard people buy the book for the pop-out move and the gravity pass. Anything else in the book worth looking at?
Message: Posted by: david_a_whitehead (Jun 11, 2005 09:17PM)
Everything is worth looking at. The book is not overrated. It is excellent.
Message: Posted by: Free_Mind (Jun 11, 2005 11:08PM)
Ok...overrated: no. Overhyped: Yes. I am not disapointed with the book I just don't feel it was worth 40 dollars and worth the hype it was getting before and after its release.
Message: Posted by: kamus (Jun 11, 2005 11:24PM)
Aaron published the one handed Pop Out move in Magic a few years back.
Message: Posted by: God-glorified (Jun 12, 2005 10:41PM)
If I am looking for a few good impromptu powerful routines would you reccommend this?
Message: Posted by: kamus (Jun 13, 2005 08:20PM)
I haven't read Paper Engine. But I have read Dear Mr. Fantasy -John Bannon's new book and that features some great impromptu stuff.
Message: Posted by: toomuchmagic (Feb 2, 2006 09:28AM)
Take a look at the cover of The Paper Engine for a second.
"Tension, Focus, and Design in Card Magic."

I think that most of the tricks, routines, and sleights in the book are fricken fantastic...but I find the Paper engine valuable for a completely diffeent reason. Aarons 'thoughts and comments' are priceless. He takes a step away from the trick, and puts some briliant psychology between the lines of magic. These themes can not only make the magic 100 times more deceptive...but also bring your performace value up to a higher level.

This book is praised by some of the best minds in the biz. It it worth every cent if not more, and definately worth reading and studying. Just because you do not or would not perform the effects in a book, does not make it a bad book.
Message: Posted by: Dr Marvin (Feb 2, 2006 11:25AM)
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On 2005-06-13 21:20, kamus wrote:
I haven't read Paper Engine. But I have read Dear Mr. Fantasy -John Bannon's new book and that features some great impromptu stuff.
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Way to stay on topic. Anyway back on topic I think Paper Engine is an amazing book, and worth your time to re-read it to see if you missed any gems!

Dr Marvin

1-2-06
Message: Posted by: Cameron Francis (Dec 11, 2006 07:24PM)
Could someone please describe the slow motion collectors effect in the book? Just curious as to what the effect is. Thanks so much.
Message: Posted by: Daegs (Dec 11, 2006 09:17PM)
I think you are mistaken, there is no slow motion collectors effect in the book.

The collectors effect is done regular speed, only using 4 spot cards(and the subsequent discrepancy) along with a faro and halfpass to get a nice collectors effect. With a little thought(don england + Duffie methods) you can streamline this idea a bit, its a very nice take.


You might be thinking of the "Searchers" Plot, which is a slow motion sandwhich of a single selection.

Aaron has simplified the handling(uses no pass work) and the whole effect happens in the spectators hands. You have them perform a magic act with the deck and then they trap 12 or so cards between the searcher cards, another magic act and a single card is trapped in their own hands.

The searchers is very very good.
Message: Posted by: Cameron Francis (Dec 11, 2006 10:27PM)
Thanks for clarifying. I read in one of the posts above that there was a "slow motion collectors" routine in the book. Just curious as to what it is. I have an effect which I call a slow motion collectors effect simply because the three collector cards trap each of the three selections one card at a time. Just looking for similar effects, that's all. :)

Thanks for your help.
Message: Posted by: JasonDean (Dec 14, 2006 10:17AM)
There is in fact a Collectors effect in the book. I'm not sure what you mean by a "slow motion" Collectors.
Message: Posted by: Cameron Francis (Dec 14, 2006 09:43PM)
What I mean by slow motion collectors is the three (or four) collector cards collecting the selections one at a time. Not sure if that's anyone else's definition of what a "slow motion collectors" routine would be but the name seemed to make sense to me anyway since most collectors plots that I've read have the selections collected all at once.
Message: Posted by: Andy the cardician (Dec 15, 2006 05:44AM)
Well the book certainly seems to split opinions. Guess, I need to read it now. At least it is just a little over 100 pages . . .


Andy