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Topic: Sorting out spectator confusion in Silver/Copper/Brass.
Message: Posted by: Bob Johnston (Aug 8, 2005 12:48PM)
Regardless of what routine you may use with C/S/B, people often get confused as to the difference between the Copper and Brass coins.

I happen to use the Todd Lassen Silver Dollar size coins and have solved the identity problem for my routines.

I photographed each coin and made 3x5 color prints of each coin. I ask the spectator to move the cards to match the “perceived” location of the coins at each move.

It no longer makes any difference if they don’t know the Chinese Dragon coin by name or the South African Crown by name of color.

Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Aug 8, 2005 12:54PM)
There are some Copper-Silver routines that use marker coins. Eddie Gibson's Kangaroo Coins even uses those markers as part of the method.
Message: Posted by: PaulGreen (Aug 8, 2005 01:27PM)
In my routine for Two Copper, Silver; I point out that the coins are, "Copper, Copper, Silver." I ask only what color the coins are.

For Copper, Silver, Brass; I point out that there are two foreign coins and one American coin. Then I ask where the American coin is. I found this to help with the confusion.


Paul Green
Message: Posted by: love2laugh (Aug 8, 2005 01:30PM)
I don't refer to them as copper, silver, and brass but rather two foreign coins and one American coin as Paul Green commented. This clears up any confusion since they only have to keep track of the silver American coin. Put the attention on the American coin and stucture your patter in this fashion and it should help avoid any confusion.
Message: Posted by: Bob Johnston (Aug 8, 2005 01:33PM)
I have referred to the C/B coins as the foreign coins for ever. The problem is that I work with mostly children and the picture make it fun for them and challenging.

Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Aug 8, 2005 01:42PM)
Good so far, glad nobody is calling the chinese coin a 'Chinese bit...' ;)
Message: Posted by: Larry Barnowsky (Aug 8, 2005 01:46PM)
I've found that many people have trouble remembering the coins and following them. I'm afraid the effect becomes lost on the spectator and instead of experiencing magic they experience confusion. Perhaps expert routining and cues as explained above will help. I do an effect (explained in my book) called "Lucky Chinese Coin" where a Chinese coin with a hole changes to a gold coin and then a silver coin etc. They don't have to keep track of where a coin is because as far as they know there is only one coin. I find I get a much better reaction from that type of effect than the close up equivalent of Rice Orange and Checkers.
Message: Posted by: davidmagic (Aug 8, 2005 02:08PM)
Two coppers/one silver solves the concern-they just keep up with the copper coins or the one silver coin-I learned this from Roger Klaus' routine na dhave seenit in Kurt's routine as well. With the additional concern with the hole in the Chinese coin (what color-flesh, white, black for the hole, etc.) I personally have not seen a great advantage to the effect except for King Midas Spellbound by Dan Watkins. Also-I do have a Lassen CSB,ked him to make the brass coin NOT with a hole. What do you think of my thinking?
Message: Posted by: Dan Watkins (Aug 8, 2005 02:17PM)
I don't know of any CSB routines (other than maybe Curtis Kam's Triple Alliance) that makes you differentiate between the copper and brass coins separately.

In most CSB routines, the differentiation is always between the one silver coin and the other two foreign coins. In fact, the difference between the copper and brass coins are so inconsequential to the routine I simply refer to them as “the foreign coins”.

I find that it is easy for spectators to tell the difference between the silver and “the foreign coins” regardless of what the “foreign coins” are.

So I don’t see the problem.
Message: Posted by: Dan Watkins (Aug 8, 2005 03:26PM)
I guess I should read up before I post... I see others pointed out that they refer to them as Foreign Coins, and Wellington, perfoming for kids is different... The pictures are probably a very good solution for them.
Message: Posted by: twistedace (Aug 8, 2005 04:01PM)
You should see John Shyrock's handling on the C/S/B...it's also a shuttle flight effect which is a real fooler.
Message: Posted by: Dan LeFay (Aug 14, 2005 06:55AM)
Where I live all three of them are foreign (when does the €-variation pop up?)so that does not work.
I had some fun though because of the specific charasteristics Todd's set has.
It is a canadian-totem dollar a chinese coin and a peruvian sol d'oro.
So I call them an Eskimo, a Chinese and an Indian. It is remarkable how far spectators go to remember their positions simply becaue they have fun with the names!

I've heard very interesting rumours about Pete Biro and Joe Porper making a casino-chip variations?
Message: Posted by: Paul Chosse (Aug 14, 2005 10:10PM)
If the spectator only has to remember ONE thing it is much simpler. Focus attention on the silver...

Best, PSC
Message: Posted by: Joe Mauro (Aug 14, 2005 11:19PM)
If I was in Spain, I'd feel weird if someone refered to the Kennedy half as the foreign coin. I do waht News Agencies do now. N more "foreign corespondant". I refer to the non american coins as international coins.
Message: Posted by: CardMaker (Aug 15, 2005 04:28AM)
Since all these 3 coins are foreign coins here in Germany; I refer to them not as coins, but as foreign magicians!

So we have John, Elizabeth and that chinese guy ;-)

Works well for me and my audience.
Message: Posted by: Arkadia (Oct 21, 2005 09:33AM)
I use other names for the coins. Much of the same reason as the other people from Europe. I call the copper and brass - golden coins, and the silver, well, silver. So I say: "I remove the silver coin, what does that leave in my hand?" Or; "I remove the golden coins..."

I know that the copper doesn't look much of a gold coin and I make a joke about it in the routine. That way I can get away with it.