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Topic: Streamer Production
Message: Posted by: DerekMerdinyan (Aug 14, 2005 01:26AM)
I would like to produce a long silk (or silk like) streamer. I am wondering how I should package it up to produce it. The ideal effect would just be producing it like a Kabuki streamer. But for rolling it up, should I actually "roll it up" or fold it over several times?

Also what is the best way to keep it "rolled up" and to steal it? (obviously with misdirection).

Derek Merdinyan
Message: Posted by: Magic Monkichi (Aug 14, 2005 02:09AM)
If you're lookin to produce it like a throw streamer, the best bet is to roll it. If you want it to appear very quickly, I would accordian fold 2/3 of it then roll the rest. As for holding it, try a bobby-pin attached to a saftey pin as a holder. Hope this helps.

Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Aug 14, 2005 06:10AM)
Weight on end of the streamer slightly. Starting with that end place two cardboard discs on a pencil distanced apart the width of the streamer. Chuck the pencil in a drill and wind. Secure the end with a rubber or piece of tissue paper. To produce slip off the rubber band, hold the end and throw.

Before paper streamers, ribbons were used. Karl Germain used ribbons as did many others of his era. General Grant still uses ribbon for a dove production. His lecture notes or video give description.

Rewinding them will save you money provide you have the time and energy to do so.

Another option for the streamer is to use a silk winder. It gives you a bundle and pull out the middle like a mylar coil.

Message: Posted by: joshlondon (Aug 14, 2005 07:19AM)
Tony Calrk has a nice streamer production, but for $40 it's really over priced. He produces a 6 ft, streamer from simple gloves. It's is a great illusion. I always add a little glitter to mine.
Message: Posted by: C Christian (Aug 14, 2005 07:38AM)
How long will it be? 6 ft. 10 ft. 20 ft. in this case size does matter, this will determin lots of factors as to hw you would steal ditch and or pruduce the streamer
Message: Posted by: DerekMerdinyan (Aug 14, 2005 12:42PM)
Ah, I forgot to mention the size heh.

I don't have the streamer yet, but I imagine it being red, about 15 ft long probably 4 inches wide.

Derek Merdinyan
Message: Posted by: Daveandrews (Aug 14, 2005 06:21PM)
Then I would invest in a 'heavy ribbon', roll it and produce it from a red hanky.
Message: Posted by: Midnight333 (Aug 15, 2005 12:38PM)
There was an Asian guy, I forget his name, that produces umbrellas in his act if that helps. He sells a really long thin (think thickness not width) mylar coil with winder. It looks great and it just pours and pours and you can throw it then pour it some more.
Message: Posted by: markis (Aug 15, 2005 12:55PM)
I think that is the mylar coil production from Klamm magic. Lance uses it at the end of his bird cagezombie routine. At least he use to.
Message: Posted by: DerekMerdinyan (Aug 15, 2005 03:50PM)
Sounds more like something that Fukai was selling. In most cases, I can how you would want a thinner streamer, but I want the one I have to be a little thicker (then what you described) to give it some more weight. I will be using it to cover some stuff and if it is too light, I am afraid that the ribbons would move more then they should.

Derek Merdinyan
Message: Posted by: Daveandrews (Aug 15, 2005 07:28PM)
As I said, a heavy ribbon, roll it and it will shoot out just fine.

Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Aug 23, 2005 08:27AM)
I use a 150' x 1" mylar coil in my act. It runs about 30 seconds. I can furnish them in various colors. I use red in my act.. I can also get blue, purple, silver, gold. 5o' coils run $8 and 150' coils run $25.

If you are using silk streamers, a Rosini silk winder might fit the bill for you. It will allow you wind a large streamer into a small place. It will not allow you to throw it out but it is a great way pack a lot of streamer in a small space.

Message: Posted by: DerekMerdinyan (Aug 23, 2005 11:06AM)
I am still open for what I am looking for. However there are 2 things I am sure of.
1. I really would prefer using a fabric streamer over a mylar one.

2. I think 1" might be a little thin for doing productions with. Then again, if it is 150 inches long, bunched up, it might work...

I need more time to think! I will keep this in mind though

Derek Merdinyan
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Aug 23, 2005 12:37PM)
My mylar ribbons are 150 feet not inches. But I know what you mean.

I would get some two inch satin ribbon, weight one end and play with that. General Grant uses this all the time and is explained in his notes or video.

Message: Posted by: DerekMerdinyan (Aug 23, 2005 03:08PM)
Man it must take some time to produce that ribbon heh (30 seconds you said!)

What would you recommend for weighting the ends?

Also would it be worth it to have the ends hemmed? Or just buy a streamer from a magic shop?

Derek Merdinyan
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Aug 23, 2005 10:06PM)
You will have to experiment with the necessary weight. Use round rod. Maybe start with a peice of 1/4 x about 1 3/4". Just use fabric glue until you get what you need weight wise.

You can use Fray check (ask at a fabric store or Wallmart) on the ends to keep them from unraveling. If you are using 2" ribbon, just get it at a store. If you use a real silk streamer, it will behave much different than a ribbon.

Message: Posted by: DerekMerdinyan (Aug 24, 2005 01:04AM)
Anywhere where I can just buy a 15 ft 2-3 inch silk streamer?

Also how could it be held together? I think you said how to above but it didn't make sence :(

Derek Merdinyan
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Aug 24, 2005 07:36AM)
I probably have some streamers here that size if I look. Let me check it out and I will get back to you.

Message: Posted by: DerekMerdinyan (Aug 24, 2005 09:29AM)

Derek Merdinyan
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Aug 24, 2005 03:54PM)
I have a red and white striped silk 4" x 15' ( that is the raw size). Cost is $25 plus shipping.

Message: Posted by: DerekMerdinyan (Aug 24, 2005 05:56PM)
I am lookin for a 2 inch by 15 foot solid streamer...

got any of those?

Derek Merdinyan
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Aug 24, 2005 09:41PM)
A 2" streamer is going to be 1" finished. A 4" streamer is 3" finished. What color are you looking for. I have to dye a couple of red streamers and I could do this with it.

I still would look at ribbon. It comes 2" or 2 1/2" wide and runs about fifty cents a yard. It is going to be a whole lot cheaper than silk.

Message: Posted by: DerekMerdinyan (Aug 25, 2005 12:57AM)
I will go take a look at the ribbon. I think I have seen something before that would work. It had wire on the outer edges woven in with the ribbon. This was done so you could shape the ribbon (?) I assume that if I take the time to pull the wire out of the edges, it would work just fine.

Derek Merdinyan
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Aug 25, 2005 07:25AM)
You can buy the ribbon without the wire. Look for satin ribbon.

Message: Posted by: DerekMerdinyan (Aug 25, 2005 02:32PM)
Will do! Thanks for your help

Derek Merdinyan
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Aug 25, 2005 08:51PM)
If you can't find a magic shop with the streamers you want, PM me. They do exist! I use them!

Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: ufo (Sep 7, 2005 10:16PM)
Great advice all the way down the page! Remember, if all else fails..ask Bob Sanders any silk question you have!