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Topic: Derren Brown
Message: Posted by: magicadam (Jan 2, 2002 01:18PM)

Either all of you are American, or I am missing something here.

Derren Brown is a pretty big guy in England, and he is going to hit the States soon. You will all know him in 6 months from now.

He is amazing. He uses psychological principles with amazing effects.

So any English people here? And if so did you see mind control 3?


Message: Posted by: p.b.jones (Jan 2, 2002 02:46PM)

at the moment he is a "pretty big guy" with other magicians. Ask the average person in the street and they have not heared of him,

David Blane yes, David Copperfield yes, Paul Daniels yes, Joe Pasquale yes, Tommy Cooper yes, Geoffery Durham probably, Wayne Dobson maybe, Stephen Mulhern depends on age, David Nixon depends on age and David Berglas unlikely.

I say this not to criticize Mr Brown but to put things into a more truthful light. At the momment Mr Brown is something of a newcommer and may well become as famous as some of the names mentioned. Only time will tell.

Message: Posted by: Steve Brooks (Jan 3, 2002 03:45AM)
With all the talk, I am very interested in seeing Mr. Brown in action.

I must also point out that many of the so-called famous names you listed that laypeople would know are very [i]unknown[/i] here in the States.

By the same token, some of the more famous people are still unknown to many.

I have actually performed magic for folks who never heard of David Copperfield, Penn & Teller, or Lance Burton either. I know that the last two mentioned were not on your list, but I included them because I have ran into people who did not recognize the names.

Message: Posted by: p.b.jones (Jan 3, 2002 05:19AM)
Hi, which ones on the list havenít you heard of Steve?

Some people over here will have heard of Penn and Teller, but I doubt that any non magicians have heard of Lance Burton.

Message: Posted by: Scott O. (Jan 3, 2002 02:24PM)
I was reading over the list, and I doubt if any layperson here in the Unites States would know Paul Daniels, Joe Pasquale, Tommy Cooper, Geoffery Durham, Wayne Dobson, Stephen Mulhern, David Berglas, or David Nixon.

The world is getting smaller, but we aren't a "global village" yet. (And I'm not advocating that either-- differences are good)
Message: Posted by: p.b.jones (Jan 3, 2002 04:59PM)

Well over here Paul Daniels used to be the man as far as lay people were concerned for 10 years aprox perhaps more (when we only had 3 then later 4 tv chanels) Pual had a weekly magic show which often featured guest performers such as Lance Burton, Rene Lavand.

David Nixon was the man prior to Paul Daniels
weekly show ext

Tommy Cooper was a comedian/magician (most stuff went wrong)

Joe Pasquale is a comedian/magician but does more comedy now

Steven Mulhern is well known to our younger lay people as he is also a childrens TV Presenter

phillip :dancing:
Message: Posted by: magicadam (Jan 3, 2002 05:17PM)
Paul Daniels was the man! Everyone knew him. It was always "Youíre like Paul Daniels" now itís more like "Youíre like that David guy, David Blaine".

Paul Daniels did do this thing in America where he tried to become popular in one month or something. Anyone see it?

Adz :)
Message: Posted by: Scott O. (Jan 4, 2002 11:17AM)
I think everyone in magicdom knows Paul Daniels, and, if you're older, David Nixon. And I'm aware of their former popularity in the UK. However, a lay audience will generally only be able to name the top one or two names in the field.
Message: Posted by: Steve Brooks (Jan 4, 2002 11:26AM)

On 2002-01-03 06:19, p.b.jones wrote:

HI, which ones on the list haven't you heard of Steve?


I'm not familiar with David Berglas, David Nixon or Geoffery Durham. :wavey:
Message: Posted by: p.b.jones (Jan 4, 2002 12:26PM)

Well David Nixon has been explained in a previous post.

Geoffry Durham used to be a presenter of a show over here called "The Best Of Magic" he is also on count down (a quiz show) and is married to Victoria Wood a Famous Comedian over here

David Berglas is really a mentalist, he had a tv show, is president of the magic circle and is best known for the legendary any card at any number or as some mentalists call it "The Berglas Effect" he has never released the method but the effect is
he gives you a cased deck, you name a card then a number, remove cards you count down you turn over card. itís the selected card!

Message: Posted by: Joe (Jan 16, 2002 07:53AM)
I think Paul Daniels still is the man.

I met him last year and although he had just finished a show and was in a hurry he still had time to sit and chat with me for nearly half an hour. Nice chap.

Joe :cool:
Message: Posted by: MichelAsselin (Jan 23, 2002 08:39PM)
Speaking of Berglas, does anyone know when the book wil be out?
Message: Posted by: AndiGladwin (Feb 3, 2002 11:37AM)
On 2002-01-03 06:22, p.b.jones wrote:
Some people over here will have heard of Penn and Teller, but I doubt that any non magicians have heard of Lance Burton.

I thought that as well. But when I did publicity for the Lance Burton special that I was on a few years ago, many people would comment that they had seen his previous shows and that they really enjoyed them.

So, Lance is getting a lot more popular over here, which is a great thing!

Message: Posted by: andyhurst (Feb 9, 2002 03:18PM)
On 2002-01-02 14:18, magicadam wrote:
Magicians!!! Either all of you are American, or I am missing something here.

I'm originally from UK and so have the specials sent over. The sooner Derren shows up here the better. His TV specials are all excellent.

Andy Hurst
Issue 2 out now! Contents listed on site!
Message: Posted by: Jedi (Feb 12, 2002 03:06PM)
Darren Brown used to be a street hustler, using his art of mentilism and hypnosis to con book keepers out of money, and to pull very sexy girls in night clubs, but now he has a contract with channel 4 in the U.K.
he has stopped his dodgy ways. He is a very talented man and I love his work, (But he did once belong to the dark side of the the Force) :devilish:
Message: Posted by: AndiGladwin (Feb 13, 2002 10:12AM)
Derren is going to hit America with a new show sometime this year - so look out for it!

Message: Posted by: danny (Mar 8, 2002 09:03AM)
does anyone know of any books that describe methods of suggested thought, the like that Derren uses?
Message: Posted by: hackmonkey (Mar 26, 2002 11:10AM)
He has a book called 'Pure Effect', that details some of his effects. A well as some really good card routines and thoughts on magic. He also has a lecture video out, as does one of the makers of the show unfortunatly i can't remember his name. Pure effect is a great book some of the stuff is pretty hard to pull of but worth it, i use some of the metal forces all the time. :devilish:
Message: Posted by: Tristan (Apr 12, 2002 03:22AM)
If you are interested in card magic, his latest video "Devil's picture book" is really a good one...
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Apr 28, 2002 06:48AM)
I concur totally with the last post."the Devils Picturebook" is the finest video of its type I've ever purchased(and I've purchased a few).
Now if only hed re-tip his work on "Reminiscence" I'd be in psychic heaven.
Message: Posted by: hon.,max somerset (Sep 2, 2002 10:47PM)
Dear Jedi and Hack Monkey,
Derren neither is nor was a con man.He's just a nice guy from Bristol that got his break from meeting Jerry Sadowitz in International Magic(so Jerry tells me)and hooked up with a really smart producer called Antony Owen who has just incidentally won a Bafta...oh ofcourse...the jewish chap who has brought out a video and is one of his advisors is a guy called Andy Nymann.

Derren never uses his skill to con bookies out of money.You know us mentalists,we often talk alot of tripe.Just because we say we did so and so or can do such and such,it probably amounts to just another red herring.
Did you ever read the corrinda 13 steps to mentalism?Corrinda strikes me as another British pre-curser to the Derren sophistication.

I was fortunate enough to see Derren work one of his first demonstrations,unfilmed upstairs in a little pub in Clerkenwell back in 1998.He was selling pure effect in spiral bind,it had an extra chapter about a trick called REMINISCENCE-it was a killer...and I sat and listened as he gave to my knowledge,the only ever verbal explanation of it to a crowd of magicians.
I have told him myself and firmly believe that his witt,eloquence,intellectual/scholastic delivery will agur well for his future and when he hits the states...believe me,magicians wont want to be Blaine anymore!!

Dare I say it,mr Blaine will have his work cut out to maintain his cudos at the hands of Derren's sophisticated PSYCHOLOGICAL APPROACH.In Derrens Wisdom,he will not even market himself as a magician!!There will be no talk of magic or tricks or using 5 senses to give the illusion of a 6th,or mind reading or psychic phenomina.Its going to be all about Neurolinguistic programming,Kinaesthetic responses and behavioural patterns that are discernable to someone who knows how to hook in and manipulate them.The whole darn thing is so water tight that people don't even look for an explanation as to how he does what he does because they THINK THAT HE HAS ALREADY PERFECTLY EXPLAINED TO THEM THE REASONS THEY ARE ACTING AND RESPONDING IN THE WAY THAT THEY ARE....Hes a clever boy alright,and,such a brilliant actor that his psychological antics are impeccably undergirded with the utmost plausability.All the best to him.He's a good lad.
Message: Posted by: hackmonkey (Sep 8, 2002 11:01AM)
Hi Max, you and I both know that Derren talks a lot of tripe. He may say he is using muscle reading and PSYCHOLOGICAL stuff but a lot of it is tricks using three way force decks and so on. He is a good actor and great at chatting nonsense.. I liked that OXO trick you showed me the other night, maybe we should sell the rights to Derren. :rolleyes:
Message: Posted by: Greg Arce (Sep 8, 2002 01:28PM)
I've seen two of the Mind Control shows and one of Derren's card tapes. Watch out America!! Prepare to be amazed.
Message: Posted by: Michael Peterson (Sep 8, 2002 05:45PM)
I'm still looking forward to seeing the first Greg Arce special, you totally fried me at the convention :crazydude:

For those that don't know, Greg is a killer performer.
Message: Posted by: Greg Arce (Sep 10, 2002 08:46PM)
Okay, Ich, for that comment I need to know where I can send you a check. Thanks. By the way, I've spoken with Gordon Bean, who puts out the Penumbra magazine, and I will be putting my take on the Kollassal Killer (with no outs) in one of the following issues. I'll keep you guys posted since a few have PM'd about the specifics.
Message: Posted by: Michael Peterson (Sep 14, 2002 03:48PM)
Cool! Now, where can I get a copy when it comes out?
Message: Posted by: hackmonkey (Sep 26, 2002 03:53PM)
Derren is great by the way. :rotf:
Message: Posted by: Alan Jackson (Sep 29, 2002 03:26PM)
With reference to the comments about well-known UK magicians being unknown in the States, I asked half-a-dozen lay people (in the UK) if they'd heard of Dai Vernon. None of them had. If you get an opportunity to see Derren Brown perform, don't miss it. And I highly recommend his video "The Devil's Picturebook". Derren is a very talented card worker. If you see his video bear in mind that this is the stuff he has moved on from.
Message: Posted by: Bascomb Grecian (Sep 30, 2002 01:50AM)
"Derren Brown is a pretty big guy in England, and he is going to hit the States soon. You will all know him in 6 months from now."

What is this meaning? How is he going to "hit" the states? Is he going to do a TV special here in the US?
Message: Posted by: christopher carter (Sep 30, 2002 08:59AM)
On 2002-09-30 02:50, Bascomb wrote:

What is this meaning? How is he going to "hit" the states? Is he going to do a TV special here in the US?


As I have heard it, that is the plan.

--Christopher Carter
Message: Posted by: explorer (Oct 22, 2002 05:50PM)
They have been talking about his American TV special for well over a year. Hopefully, they will actually get it going. Especially since his Mind Control shows will not be shown in the US and are still unavailable to buy.