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Topic: Aura Reading
Message: Posted by: ALEXANDRE (Aug 26, 2005 06:03PM)
There's a real simple system I use to read auras, and I know of Richard Webster's system which is more elaborate. Anyone else do this?

I haven't seen it around much. I've been doing it for a while and found it useful and fun, it's not all I do, but something extra I throw in while also performing numerology and PsyCard readings.

My system is on my website in case anyone is interested.

So how many of you use or have used Aura Readings?
Message: Posted by: sandman690 (Aug 26, 2005 10:49PM)
Hi,

I have been using Websters system since the late 1980's and later added in adaptations from Martin's The KEN System. Of course by now it has changed into more my own system that is based on what Richard and Ron published. It would be interesting to take a look at what you are doing. While I have not read your ebook, I can say that aura reading can go over very well and is something for any psychic entertainer that does readings to look into.

Stan Alexander
Message: Posted by: enigmax (Aug 27, 2005 07:41AM)
I was flying back from somewhere, on my way to somewhere else. Seated next to me was a very attractive young lady. She noticed I was making notes in a script (for a cartoon I was recording later that day) and we fell into conversation. It turns out that this young woman could not only SEE auras, she specialized in giving aura massage. She told me that the aura around my head had red streaks in it. After moving her hands around my temples for a bit (no contact with the head part at all, at all) she told me that the red streaks were gone and my aura was a healthy orange all through.

I was of course, much relieved at this news.
Message: Posted by: Conus (Aug 27, 2005 10:54AM)
I have heard that having too much red or green rattling around in your aura is a not a good thing.
Message: Posted by: JohnLamberti (Aug 27, 2005 01:20PM)
How does one read an aura? Do you actually [i]see[/i] the aura? Pardon my ignorance, but this is the first I've heard of this subject. I've heard of the concept of auras, but not of having them read in an entertainment context.
Message: Posted by: Logan Five (Aug 27, 2005 01:43PM)
I kinda experimented with the Lee Earle aura cards concept that I found in Trilogy 1-2-3 and it's ok. But what I do in the middle of the reading is that I will ask the sitter " What is your favorite color?" then go off of that. In other words, the aura part of the reading plays only a small part. That way no cards are needed.

The only other book I use to talk about auras is a "shut-eye" book by James Van Pragh who really gets into the subject. By the way Conus, red means passion and green might indicate that one is a "healer".

All the best,

Rick K
Message: Posted by: ALEXANDRE (Aug 27, 2005 06:20PM)
[quote]
On 2005-08-27 14:20, JohnLamberti wrote:
How does one read an aura? Do you actually [i]see[/i] the aura? Pardon my ignorance, but this is the first I've heard of this subject. I've heard of the concept of auras, but not of having them read in an entertainment context.
[/quote]

What is an aura?

All living things are made up of a complex combination of atoms, molecules and energy cells. As these ingredients coexist, they generate a large magnetic energy field that can be sensed, felt and even seen around the physical body. This energy field is often called an Aura.
 
Auras are commonly associated with people. Sometimes we even use them to describe people, "He has an aura about him." or "She just has a glow about her". But in fact all living things generate this field of energy. When associated to a person, the aura can provide insight into the spiritual, emotional and physical aspects of that individual.
 
The knowledge and acceptance of auras has existed in various religions around the world for thousands of years. From Buddhist priests to Native American Shamans, many civilizations have practiced translating and incorporating the use and interpretations of these energy fields into their culture.

They say that auras can be seen by anyone who spends the time and effort to develop, practice, study, and understand this forgotten sense.

In an entertainment context you don't actually have to see the aura....
Message: Posted by: JohnLamberti (Aug 27, 2005 07:00PM)
I'm going to ask some annyoing questions. Please don't take them as condescending or disrespectful. I'm simply looking to define the terms we're using. And so there's no question as to where I'm coming from, I am a skeptic who, to this point in my life, has never seen any sort of proof that auras exist. I'm willing to be proven wrong, however, but I'm going to need to see some evidence. At this point, I do not believe that auras exist, but again, if I were shown evidence to the contrary I would be willing to change my position.

[quote]
All living things are made up of a complex combination of atoms, molecules and energy cells.[/quote]

I'm clear on the atoms and molecules, but would you be kind enough to define "energy cells"?

[quote]As these ingredients coexist, they generate a large magnetic energy field that can be sensed, felt and even seen around the physical body. This energy field is often called an Aura.[/quote]

Can you explain further? Or point me to a source where this process is described in detail? How exactly do atoms, molecules, and energy cells generate a large magnetic energy field?

[quote]But in fact all living things generate this field of energy.[/quote]
How does one measure this field of energy? What kind of energy are we talking about? Potential or Kinetic?

[quote]They say that auras can be seen by anyone who spends the time and effort to develop, practice, study, and understand this forgotten sense.[/quote]
Who are "they"? And in what sense has the ability to see auras been "forgotten"?

I hope I don't come off as a jerk for asking these questions. I'm making no effort to hide the fact that I'm a skeptic who tends to disbelieve these kinds of things, but I am ready and willing to be shown proof and I continue to have an open mind.

Thank you for your time.
Message: Posted by: Autumn (Aug 27, 2005 07:08PM)
Barbara Brennan teaches a very easy and quick way to begin to see auras in her book "Hands of Light". This really works and you can learn (or teach) someone how to see the first level of the aura in about 10 minutes or so...works for people, plants and animals. Seeing really is believing and this method really allows one to see the aura within minutes. Don't expect to see auric colors right away, though, this does require a meditative state (alpha level, I guess?) but this too can be done. What you'll see to begin with looks similar to cigarette smoke.

Autumn
Message: Posted by: jimtron (Aug 27, 2005 07:27PM)
[quote]Seeing really is believing...[/quote]

As magicians, we know that our eyes and our mind can play tricks on us. Is it possible that there is some kind of mild hallucination that occurs after going into the meditative state, or that one's mind imagines the aura?

In Carl Sagan's book, "The Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark," he says that it's not terribly uncommon for humans to occasionally hallucinate without drugs.
Message: Posted by: Autumn (Aug 27, 2005 07:45PM)
Oh, I'm really sorry...uhm, I am a complete and total newbie to magic - I've always had an interest in it and am just now beginning to explore it. I have been a professional tarot card reader and metaphysical instructor for about 10 years. I know the worlds are different, but I would really like to blend the two. I have a huge problem making "psychic claims" (this is a personal thing and I don't have a problem with others making such claims). Anyway, I happend to do a google search for "psychic entertainment" and discovered that there are people making a living as psychics without all of the psychic claims and that appealed to me a great deal.
Anyway...;)...the first layer of the aura that one sees is not seen while in an altered state...the colors of an aura are seen while in an altered state, not quite the deep level of hypnosis, but not at all like being completely "awake", either. I have only seen the colors of an aura a few times in my life but I can easily see the first layer of an aura most any time at all.

Autumn
Message: Posted by: JohnLamberti (Aug 27, 2005 07:53PM)
[quote]
On 2005-08-27 20:45, Autumn wrote:
I have only seen the colors of an aura a few times in my life but I can easily see the first layer of an aura most any time at all.
[/quote]

Here's a question, Autumn. Would you be able to see the aura if a person was obscured? For example, let's say that I'm 5 feet, 11 inches tall, and I'm standing behind a brick wall that is exactly 6 feet tall. You are standing on the other side of the wall, and cannot see me at all. Would you be able to see my aura? If my understanding is correct, one would be able to see the aura, even if the person from whom the aura is emanating is obscured behind the wall.
Message: Posted by: Autumn (Aug 27, 2005 08:18PM)
Well, the first layer of the aura is only about an inch or so away from the body, so, sure, I guess it would be possible to see the very tippy edge of the first layer.
Autumn
Message: Posted by: JohnLamberti (Aug 27, 2005 08:43PM)
[quote]
On 2005-08-27 21:18, Autumn wrote:
Well, the first layer of the aura is only about an inch or so away from the body, so, sure, I guess it would be possible to see the very tippy edge of the first layer.
Autumn
[/quote]

Really? That's great. I've been thinking of trying to find a way to objectively test whether or not one can actually sense an aura. Taken from a person who claims to be able to see auras, I think this is a good start. Do you believe that you could definitely do this? The reason I ask is because if you were really, truly able to see an aura, you'd be eligible to win the James Randi Educational Foundation $1 million dollar paranormal challenge. (Cue the Randi-haters to come out of the woodwork...)

If you can do what you say you can do, I would help you negotiate a test protocol, and perhaps the two of us can split the money...perhaps 70/30 or 80/20? Heck, I'd settle for 90/10 :)

So, whaddaya say?
Message: Posted by: Autumn (Aug 27, 2005 08:50PM)
Really? That's all I'd have to do? That just can't be right...why hasn't someone else claimed that cash already? Just to see an aura? There would have to be a black background behind the person, but other than that...? I am sorry that I gave the name of the book now...LOL! Yes, certainly, if that would qualify, let's chat...I could do a lot with 90% of a million dollars...or whatever amount. Anyway, really, I'm telling you there is nothing to it: if you can see you can see an aura. Please get that book or just read it while seated at the Barnes and Noble of your choice...you can do this is 10 minutes.
Autumn
Message: Posted by: JohnLamberti (Aug 27, 2005 08:52PM)
Autumn, this is very encouraging. I'll PM you with more info.
Message: Posted by: Greg Arce (Aug 27, 2005 08:54PM)
John, unfortunately that test has already been done by Randi himself. He had a bunch of people who saw auras look at other people and call out the colors the saw so that each person had a distinct aura. Now those people were put behind screens that obsured them just enough, but should have the auras creeping out of the sides and top... they couldn't pick out the people anymore via their auras.
This one is too easy to test and you had the right method, but it can still be used to throw in a new age spin on mentalism.

Greg
Message: Posted by: sandman690 (Aug 27, 2005 08:59PM)
Autumn,

Welcome! Thanks for the lead on the Brennan book. I have not read the book "Hands of Light", but your post is very interesting. Given that we are talking about a "non-magic" concept. Would you be open to sharing the basic idea of how the person is taught to see the aura in the Brennan system? If you would prefer to private message me, please feel free to do so.

Stan
Message: Posted by: ALEXANDRE (Aug 27, 2005 09:02PM)
What I wrote above is a section of my eBook on Aura Reading, so when you go out to perform it, you know a little about what it is ... in case someone wants to discuss it with you further.

As far as the eBook is concerned, you don't see Auras, you don't have to, it's a simple system for those interested in introducing this sort of "psychic phenomena" into their acts ... or just for fun.

You skeptics take all this way too seriously ... take a deep breath and relax....
Message: Posted by: Autumn (Aug 27, 2005 09:06PM)
Hi John,
Yes, please PM me.
Autumn
Message: Posted by: Autumn (Aug 27, 2005 09:07PM)
Hi Stan,

Yes, I teach this method to my clients all the time - it is soooooooo easy! PM me and I'll be glad to share what I know about it. The book I referenced is very good - it's very scientific, you know, for metaphysical theory.

Autumn
Message: Posted by: JohnLamberti (Aug 27, 2005 09:18PM)
Greg,
I realize this has been tested before. That's not to say that it can't be tested again. All that the previous test proved was that THOSE people couldn't see auras during that particular test. This can be tested again very easily. The JREF is open to testing different applicants making the same claim.

And Alexandre...OK, I understand what you're saying now. I get it ;)
Message: Posted by: jimtron (Aug 27, 2005 09:34PM)
For anyone interested, here's some info on the test that was done: [url=http://skepdic.com/auras.html]link[/url]

[quote]You skeptics take all this way too seriously ... take a deep breath and relax....[/quote]

I'm a very curious person, and I don't believe I take auras too seriously. I'll try the deep breath though. Ahh, better.

-Jim
Message: Posted by: M. Perk (Aug 27, 2005 10:02PM)
It is very easy to see your own Aura. Light a candle and place it in the corner of the room. sit in a chair in front of a mirror and close your eyes. Relax and take in 3 deep breaths. When you open your eyes you wil see your Aura. I did it once about 20 years ago. Never did it again.
Message: Posted by: Piers (Aug 28, 2005 03:03AM)
Spooky,
What did it look like, M.Perk ?

Piers.
Message: Posted by: Simone (Aug 28, 2005 09:12AM)
I've seen auras and others have seen mine, but I'm not sure if that's paranormal or psychological really.
Message: Posted by: Anabelle (Aug 28, 2005 06:23PM)
With a little concentration and thought, a person can believe to see anything. I happen to think seeing an aura is psychological or some kind of effect caused to our vision making us believe we are seeing an aura. Is there more info on this? Got me curious.

Anabelle
Message: Posted by: JohnLamberti (Aug 28, 2005 06:43PM)
[quote]
On 2005-08-28 19:23, Anabelle wrote:
With a little concentration and thought, a person can believe to see anything. I happen to think seeing an aura is psychological or some kind of effect caused to our vision making us believe we are seeing an aura. Is there more info on this? Got me curious.

Anabelle
[/quote]

There is a condition known as Synesthesia that may produce this type of thing.

Also read this link http://tinyurl.com/cmxh7

and google the term "Synesthesia".

Enjoy

-John
Message: Posted by: M. Perk (Aug 28, 2005 08:03PM)
There is a glowing light around the outline of your body. Sort of like a neon light. Make sure you place the candle where you can't see the flame. Just the light from the flame. When you open your eyes you see only the Aura around you. Not your reflection.
Message: Posted by: jimtron (Aug 28, 2005 11:00PM)
[quote]With a little concentration and thought, a person can believe to see anything. I happen to think seeing an aura is psychological or some kind of effect caused to our vision making us believe we are seeing an aura.[/quote]

I'm a very curious person and like to understand our world. If people really have auras, I think that would be incredibly fascinating. If there's some kind of psychological thing going on, and people only think they see auras, that's pretty interesting too. I don't have an agenda to prove supernatural (or any other kind of claims) claims false; I just want to get as close to the truth as possible. To me it's important to know the difference; are the auras real, or imagined? So that's why I might ask a lot of questions; I'd like to learn more about this.

Also, I'm going to try out the candle and mirror thing. I wonder if there's some kind of optical illusion that has to do with a candle, mirror, and dark room. If you look at a candle's flame, as I recall, there is an aura-like "halo" around it.
Message: Posted by: ALEXANDRE (Aug 29, 2005 08:25AM)
Let us know what you see. And for those who don't succeed, there is always "The Aura Reading" on my website.
Message: Posted by: Tom Jorgenson (Aug 30, 2005 01:07PM)
Amazon has a nice little book out on learning to read the aura in 10 minutes...or two minutes..;inexpensive and it works. Sorry, forgotten the name of it...this book is also most valuable as a method to teach students during a psychic party.

the 'hide beind a screen' thingy doesn't work because auras act sort of like the glare you get from a street light at night...obscure the light itself, and the glare goes away instantly, does not extend beyond the light.

Psychic skeptics assume they can make up the rules to the game, and if the psychic phenom doesn't follow their rules, the phenom doesn't exist. Just mho.

there are also 'aura glasses' occasonally on Ebay that train your eye to be sensitive to higher color frequencies (or train you to be aware of them, rather)

To assume auras do not exist would be to claim that any given magnetic field would not have a color to it at certain levels.
Message: Posted by: jimtron (Aug 30, 2005 01:48PM)
[quote]the 'hide beind a screen' thingy doesn't work because auras act sort of like the glare you get from a street light at night...obscure the light itself, and the glare goes away instantly, does not extend beyond the light. [/quote]

Would you mind elaborating a bit on that--I'm confused. The aura obscures its own light? Or the aura obscures the room light? What does "not extend beyond the light mean?" How long does the glare last? When does it start?


[quote]Psychic skeptics assume they can make up the rules to the game, and if the psychic phenom doesn't follow their rules, the phenom doesn't exist.[/quote]

Can you think of a fair way to scientifically confirm the existence of auras? Science has discovered and confirmed the existence of germs, molecules, atoms, planets we didn't know existed (a new planet was discovered by astronomers, not astrologers), black holes, and many other elusive, sometimes strange phenomena. If auras truly exist (beyond our imagination), why wouldn't science be able to confirm this?

[quote]To assume auras do not exist would be to claim that any given magnetic field would not have a color to it at certain levels.[/quote]

I'm not a scientist, and know little of magnetic fields. How do you see or determine the colors of magnetic fields?
Message: Posted by: sandman690 (Aug 30, 2005 03:05PM)
Tom,

Are you talking about Auras: See Them in Only 60 Seconds by Mark Smith?

Stan
Message: Posted by: JohnLamberti (Aug 30, 2005 09:14PM)
[quote]
On 2005-08-30 14:07, Tom Jorgenson wrote:
the 'hide beind a screen' thingy doesn't work because auras act sort of like the glare you get from a street light at night...obscure the light itself, and the glare goes away instantly, does not extend beyond the light.
[/quote]

Other psychics have claimed that they can, in fact, see auras from behind a screen or partition. You can read about one such test here:

http://skepdic.com/auras.html

Here is a quote from the relevant portion of the page:
[quote]
The psychic was asked if she could see any auras creeping up above the partitions. She said she could.[/quote]

How would you explain that?
Message: Posted by: beyrevra (Aug 31, 2005 10:32AM)
Yesterday, after my second bottle of "wisky" I could see people and things to duplicate itself. Is this auras ? Strange isn't this? :(
Message: Posted by: 7th_Son (Aug 31, 2005 07:21PM)
[quote]
Other psychics have claimed that they can, in fact, see auras from behind a screen or partition. You can read about one such test here:

http://skepdic.com/auras.html

Here is a quote from the relevant portion of the page:
[quote]
The psychic was asked if she could see any auras creeping up above the partitions. She said she could.[/quote]

How would you explain that?
[/quote]

So did she get the 1 million prize?

I bet she didn't.
Message: Posted by: JohnLamberti (Aug 31, 2005 10:06PM)
[quote]
On 2005-08-31 20:21, 7th_Son wrote:
[quote]
Other psychics have claimed that they can, in fact, see auras from behind a screen or partition. You can read about one such test here:

http://skepdic.com/auras.html

Here is a quote from the relevant portion of the page:
[quote]
The psychic was asked if she could see any auras creeping up above the partitions. She said she could.[/quote]

How would you explain that?
[/quote]

So did she get the 1 million prize?

I bet she didn't.

[/quote]
Nope, she didn't get the prize. Do you want to know why? I linked to the summary of the test, but I'll paraphrase it here.

She didn't win the million because AFTER she said that she could see the auras behind the partitions, she failed to correctly identify which partitions had people standing behind them.
Message: Posted by: Tom Jorgenson (Aug 31, 2005 11:47PM)
Jimtron-
•No, obscure the body that produces the light, and the light vanishes, like the glare from a street light vanishes when the initiating body, the street light, is obscured.

•...does not extend beyond the street light.

•The aura IS the electronic field that the body produces. It is the same thing. Scientists have discovered it and use the knowledge constantly in medicine. Don't think "aura", think "Electromagnetic Field".

• See Sandman's post immediately below yours.

...please don't think I am setting myself up as some expert on or defender of Auras, don't know much about them, myself.

Sandman- Yes! Thanks. Most interesting book of interest to anyone giving Home parties.
Message: Posted by: jimtron (Sep 4, 2005 12:38AM)
Tom:

I appreciate your response (I just noticed it). I think I understand now; if you put a screen in front of a person, the aura will be blocked from view along with the person.

So auras are a type of electro-magnetic field? And what about the colors; how do they relate to the magnetic fields?

I'm curious to learn more about this (without making up my own rules, as Tom suggested a skeptic might). I understand that Tom is not an aura expert, so if anyone else wants to chime in, please do so.

thanks,

Jim
Message: Posted by: Matt Pulsar (Sep 4, 2005 03:03AM)
It is very easy to see someone's Aura. You can almost reach out and touch the colors if you follow these easy steps. First you have to relax. Take some deep breaths. Take a nap. Smoke something if you need to. But most importantly go for a swim. Try to find a large pool to swim in so that you can experience the full effect of relaxation. Make sure the pull is heavily shocked with chlorine, you don't want to risk being in contact with some of the things that can grow in a dirty pool. After the swim, again to reach full relaxation, have a drink. A good shot of Bacardi 151 should do the trick. Now you are ready. First, get a very bright light and position it behind the person you are going to "read," and have it pointed in your direction. Second, drop an black felt cloth behind the light, so you can see the colors against it. Finally sit down in front of that person, close your eyes for around ten seconds, and then enjoy the show.
Message: Posted by: ALEXANDRE (Sep 4, 2005 09:05AM)
I was pretty sure you needed a WHITE background, Stuart. Anyway, avoid all the "sins" mentioned above and get my $5 eBook. You won't actually see the aura, but you'll look like an expert with just a little acting ability.

Also, consider this ... with our eyes we can perceive a very narrow range of vibration frequencies of ElectroMagnetic (EM) vibration corresponding to wavelengths from 0.3 to 0.7 micrometers - from purple to red. A mix of the vibration frequencies in the above range we perceive with our eyes as color. We can measure this mix precisely by recording a spectrum of light, but only using special instruments, called spectrophotometers. Colors perceived by our eyes are only our partial perception of a MUCH more complex reality : complex vibration of light and other vibrations as well. To explain the above statement, we would need to define the spectrum and explain how we perceive color with our eyes.

Our eyes contain only 3 types of photosensitive cells: Red, Green and Blue. These are vibration sensors. They operate using the principle of a resonance and they are “tuned” for 3 frequencies: red green and blue.
Sensation of color is created in our brain by averaging and recognizing millions of different combinations of Red, Green and Blue. It is well known, that many totally different spectra (vibrations of light) will produce exactly the same color sensation in our eyes. For example, a sensation of green color can be achieved in many ways, for instance, by mixing 2 frequencies: blue and yellow or by providing a single frequency green light.

Our eyes cannot distinguish any color difference between the above cases, even though the corresponding spectra (vibration of light) are totally different. They say we can train our eyes and brain to perceive much more, by aiming to develop the "auric sight".
Message: Posted by: Tom Jorgenson (Sep 4, 2005 10:25AM)
Apparently the EM field exists on levels higher than we can now measure...and, apparently, blends into other fields...the body's construction has energy centers, roughly corresponding to the hormone centers/glands. These respond to the emotions, desires, goals, hatreds, greeds, spirituality of the individual.there are percievable colors to all these, and as our emotions change, the EM colors of the centers change. Thus, a reader can see differences in the colors of the auras in people. The whole aura is seldom a single color, but will have areas of different colors.

Since this is all subjectively percieved,and while actually physical, there are no hard and fast rules to any of it. Too subjective. There wont be any hard and fast rules until we can invent the machines that can read these colors.

Once a machine exists like this, and becomes infallibly correct in seeing the proper colors as they exist, a true Lie Dectector can be invented. One that cannnot be fooled. Once THAT happens, all our funaemental criminal laws can be changed, and justice can be swift, instant, and totally accurate.

Our legal system is set up under the absolute premise that we CANNOT tell when the folks are lying. Our court system is all a series of checks and balances working toward a fairness in deternmining who is telling the truth, and who is lying. Once you can see the changes in an aura when questions are asked,you can immediately determine truth or lies. Lawyers in criminal cases will be unnecessary.

Once machines are built that can read these energy colors, new diagnostics in physical & emotional health will mean that we can determine future illnesses, current problems, etc. Molesters cannot hide, thieves will be apparent, criminals will be wearing their colors.

The book mentioned above, Mark Smith's book,gives you a very simple way to begin seeing them.

•Dark background. Gaze at the space between the fingers. A diffence in something exists between them, in a stream. Something is streaming from fingertip to fingertip. It won't be a color, but is something that is usually too subtle to be seen, something that is usually overwhelmed/hidden by the colors of the usual world. Keepnig the fingers parallel to the floor, move one up a few inches and watch the stream still connect the fingertips. At a certain distance, the connection ceases. THAT particular aura is only about 2-4 inches from the body.

You apparently have several auras, interpenetrating each other, and each aura has different purposes, reasons. The first is almost like a duplicate of the physical body, only extends about an inch beyond the body. This aura is the densest. Next, one that comes several inches out, then one that come a foot or so out, and after that a very fine 'envelope' that 'shines' several feet out. These descriptions might be incorrect.

Auras have nothing to do with the psychic other than the psychics are the ones who can see them (or rather, ones who can see them are immediately dumped into the'Psychic' pile). They are a physical phenomen following laws of physics, that we cannot understand as of yet. Interesting to study, not interesting enough to found a religion on. Which, of course, people have done. A block from where I live, there is a church that plays crusty recordings of a German lady from the '20's during their services. They teach that the person can learn to see the atoms in the aura. They must be true, cause they sell a color postacard of Jesus with his eyes closed. When you say a little sentence, his eyes open. Yup, it works. Now, THERE's something a fraud could spook a victim with!

Alexandre- You last post is exactly why things get so squirrily the moment you get above the physical. All the rules are rendered incomplete, and suddenly there's colors that ain't on the chart all over the place. Not to mention the other physics' laws we think are so immutable. The minute we get above any of our perception's limitations, things get interesting. One reason Acid was so popular in the 60's was the breaking thru of our perceptions of reality. Whether that all was subjective or objective is still argued.

Nice thread. Get the book, see Auras for yourself. Amazon.
Message: Posted by: Tom Jorgenson (Sep 4, 2005 10:29AM)
Sorry- I accidently deleted a sentence above in the instructions on seeing the energy field:

• Dark Background: Point your index fingers at each other, a few inches apart, parallel to the floor.
Message: Posted by: JohnLamberti (Sep 4, 2005 11:49AM)
Tom,
Can you see auras yourself, or is this all theoretical?

And who's arguing about the effects of acid? As far as I know, the reason one sees reality differently when under the influence of LSD has been determined scientifically.
Message: Posted by: jimtron (Sep 4, 2005 11:53AM)
Alexandre and Tom:

Thanks for the detailed responses! I didn't realize how scientific aura reading was. [url=http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/science/know_l1/emspectrum.html]Here's[/url] a NASA Web page about the electromagnetic spectrum; that's what you guys are referring to, right?

Are auras visible radiation?

[quote]Apparently the EM field exists on levels higher than we can now measure...[/quote]

How do we know for sure that auras exist? Has it been ruled out that seeing auras could be an optical illusion, mild hallucination, or merely imagined by the viewer?

How do we know that auras are electromagnetic vibrations; is that an hypothesis? If they can't be measured, how do we know they're electromagnetic fields?

[quote]Once you can see the changes in an aura when questions are asked,you can immediately determine truth or lies. Lawyers in criminal cases will be unnecessary. [/quote]

What evidence is there that auras relate to truthfulness? And how does that work? In other words, when a person is lying, how does that lie manifest itself into a color change?

[quote]Auras have nothing to do with the psychic other than the psychics are the ones who can see them (or rather, ones who can see them are immediately dumped into the'Psychic' pile).[/quote]
[quote]Get the book, see Auras for yourself.[/quote] Only psychics can see auras, or anyone who learns how?

Thanks!!

-Jim
Message: Posted by: ALEXANDRE (Sep 4, 2005 06:32PM)
Many people think it's an optical illusion created by the process of seeing the aura. I suppose you could learn to do this.

I guess we don't know for sure if auras exist. It sounds plausible though, why not?

The biggest problem I have with it, is who decided what colors mean what? I guess there's been research on this, but like I mention in my eBook "Aura Readings" after tons of research I've concluded that there is no consensus on what color means what. It then boils down to "intuition" or "psychic ability".

Just a note that my eBook is an automatic system for those interested in doing Aura readings. In my system you don't need to see the aura, you just play along, it's quite fun. Unlike my Astragalomancy which is an actual and easy divination system using dice that you could include in your work as a mentalist/reader.
Message: Posted by: Matt Pulsar (Sep 5, 2005 02:39AM)
There seems to be no actual concrete system for many of these studies. I was intrigued to find that even acupuncture is pretty much guess work. Nice idea though. (my computer has a purple aura)
Message: Posted by: ALEXANDRE (Sep 5, 2005 11:16AM)
Stuart, from what I've heard (I have not seen it) if you really want to get into it, Richard Webster has a more detailed version for Aura Readings. My super simple system came about after being asked if I read auras a couple of times while doing Numerology and Palmistry readings. I soon started to think, "why not?" and came up with this ridiculously simple way of doing it. It has worked for me and in the end everyone is happy.

Like I mentioned earlier, the problem with some of these systems is the fact that there is no consensus. The same happens with Palmistry, Numerology, even Tarot ... it's just the way it is, that's why I believe you should present these with confidence. Some people (few) have said "but doesn't that line mean this?" or "Doesn't that number mean ...?" I just respond saying that it very well could, but what I'm sensing for them is.... There's just no point in confrontation.

As I mention in my eBook: "keep in mind that you should behave as if you believe in what you’re doing, this is key! To keep the smart-ass, bubble-buster away, assume an attitude of modesty about this ability of yours and your form of divination. Make no outlandish claims and you should be fine.

In my system, my computer has an Orange Aura....
Message: Posted by: Tom Jorgenson (Sep 5, 2005 01:12PM)
Since it is all experiential, it is all, I suppose, subjective. I learned to see the basic stuff from the above mentioned 'See Auras' book, but do not see the standard stuff that they talk about; envelope of color, radiations, etc. I personally think that you could very well learn to see them, but seeing auras is a DIFFERENT seeing technique than seeing regularly. Above the physical, so it is very subtle...the normal life colors seen with the eyes are very loud and aggressive, and while you can see the subtleties agbove these colors, you have to learn how to see, and what to look for.

If you are out taking money and lying about seeing auras, you are no different than a scam artist, gypsy conman, or general run-of-the-mill 'psychic' slimeball. No better, no different. NO better, NO different. Learn to do it right, whatever your system of seeing/divining is. You must carry your ethics with you. Choose.

The most accurate information seems to be from tradition, an amalgum (?) of opinion from history.

Electromagnetic field/auras...think of the Northern Lights, shrunk to the size of the body physical. As above, so below, etc.
Message: Posted by: jimtron (Sep 5, 2005 01:29PM)
So we don't really know if auras are electromagnetic or not--that's just a guess, right? Or is there evidence that auras are electromagnetic? When spectrophotometers and electromagnetic fields were mentioned, I thought we were talking about a scientific phenomenon, but this sounds more spirtual or psychological or something that simply isn't known well.

Tom, how do we know that auras relate to truthfulness?

Thanks,

Jim
Message: Posted by: JohnLamberti (Sep 5, 2005 01:46PM)
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On 2005-09-05 14:12, Tom Jorgenson wrote:
Electromagnetic field/auras...think of the Northern Lights, shrunk to the size of the body physical. As above, so below, etc.
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That would make sense if [i]everyone[/i] could see auras. Everyone can see the Northern Lights (which, as far as I know, are not magnetic fields per se, but charged particles from the magnetosphere which are shaped by earth's magnetic field) but not everyone can see an aura.

If this phenomena is simply the Northern Lights "shrunk to the size of the body physical" (an interesting proposition, as the Solar Wind plays a major part in the creation of the NL, but would probably be fatal to humans if directly exposed to it) how is it that everyone can see the NL but only those blessed with a gift or schooled in the practice can see auras? What makes the NL so different from auras, if that's the comparison you're making?
Message: Posted by: mugician51 (Sep 5, 2005 03:47PM)
Check out Dale Hildebrandt's e-book titled "Risk and Reward" at magic-notes.com

He provides several methods that allow you and your audience to see and feel auras. The methods detailed are visual illusions/physical oddities that have nothing to do with "real auras" (if they exist at all). Nonetheless, using these methods, spectators can be convinced that there is indeed an aura, or some kind of energy surrounding them.
Message: Posted by: jimtron (Sep 5, 2005 04:06PM)
Mugician51:

What's the purpose of convincing specs that auras or some kind of energy surrounds them? Is this for magic/mentalism acts, or readings, or something else?

-Jim
Message: Posted by: ALEXANDRE (Sep 5, 2005 05:24PM)
[quote]
On 2005-09-05 14:12, Tom Jorgenson wrote:
If you are out taking money and lying about seeing auras, you are no different than a scam artist, gypsy conman, or general run-of-the-mill 'psychic' slimeball. No better, no different. NO better, NO different. Learn to do it right, whatever your system of seeing/divining is. You must carry your ethics with you. Choose.
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How would you know if I'm seeing your aura or not? If I met you and "read your aura" ... how could you prove I didn't see it? I can be a very convincing performer....

And my system is for entertainers who want to add another level of mystery to their act, either during a performance or casually after the show, and something I intended to be used for fun, not as a single way to make money.
Message: Posted by: montz (Sep 5, 2005 05:32PM)
[quote]
On 2005-09-05 14:12, Tom Jorgenson wrote:
If you are out taking money and lying about seeing auras, you are no different than a scam artist, gypsy conman, or general run-of-the-mill 'psychic' slimeball. No better, no different. NO better, NO different. Learn to do it right, whatever your system of seeing/divining is. You must carry your ethics with you. Choose.
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As Alexandre rightly pointed out - when his system is done as entertainment, the comments above won't apply... Out of interest, how many spectators actually believe you can see their aura? The answer... those that want to believe. And if they want to believe, who are we to argue, whether as entertainers or "gypsy conman".

Keep up the good work Alexandre... your work is provoking lots of thoughts, and thinking about magic can only be a good thing. All the best my friend,

Liam.
Message: Posted by: JohnLamberti (Sep 5, 2005 06:39PM)
I have no problem if you're doing this as a performer, in the context of a stage or walkaround performance, and it's clearly defined as such. It's when people start throwing around things like this:

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Once you can see the changes in an aura when questions are asked,you can immediately determine truth or lies. Lawyers in criminal cases will be unnecessary. [/quote]

That's when I start to have a problem.
Message: Posted by: Tom Jorgenson (Sep 5, 2005 08:17PM)
Yeah, well..me too, actually. The above was an extropolation of the future, when an infallible lie test could be used....and something that sensitive would most probably use some now-unknown principles....and the 'aura' phenomenon would be just as likely a source as any other path. Today's miracles are tomorrows tedium.

I think I ethically disagree with some of the above. Even as entertainment, if you are stating that you ARE reading auras, and you are NOT, then that is unethical. You are lying. If you are lying and just throwing out characteristics, predictions, advice based on blather, you are unethical. You could do and say the same thing, but claim that 'all levels of your brain are trained to know all this' and be totally honest and ethical.

Which, I suppose goes back to an old argument that rattles around, does a disclaimer absolve the reader? probably.

sorry, but I did NOT mean to imply above that Alexandre is a slimeball,Alexandre isn't taking private readings as an Aura Reader and totally faking it, scamming more buck by repeats and references...that would be the same as what a slimeball fake psychic would do.

Mugician51: thanks for the reference. This is where the value in Aura stuff comes in, teaching others how to do whever it is that they are doing when auras are seen. Now this is honest. You aren't making false claims, you are teaching everyone how to do it (whatever IT is). THAT'S entertainment! (WHEN is this Café going to allow us to use italics???)

And like I said, I don't know anything about Auras, other than personal experience and other's references (Cayce, etc). Yet, this thing seems to keep on as a belief, thousands of years now. I do know that when you get to anything above the physical, you can't prove anything to anyone,..you can only prove things to yourself. Read the mentioned books, try it out...get Alexandre's book so you know what to say, then the others so you can see when to say it. It's experiential. Or just ruminate on it all, everything must have a logic to it or it doesn't exist, right?

I'm worn out on auras now.
Message: Posted by: mugician51 (Sep 6, 2005 01:37AM)
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What's the purpose of convincing specs that auras or some kind of energy surrounds them? Is this for magic/mentalism acts, or readings, or something else?
[/quote]

This could be used for all the purposes you listed above.

If you are performing an aura reading (such as Alexandre's), these convincers will add an air of credibility to everything you say and do. If your subjects have had undeniably weird experiences with what you define as being their "aura", they are more likely to accept the readings you give them as somewhat legitimate. Also, these experiences are very memorarable, and your clients will remember you for sharing them.

Mentalists can use this for many purposes. Before you perform psychokinetic touches, give a reason to clean the spectator's aura by proving that it is impure, or not in the right condition to make contact with the deceased.

Both Mentalists and Magicians can even use these convincers for non-aura related purposes. Use them to make a spectator's hand tingle or heat up, for use as a convincer in such things as coin bends, jermay's twisted palm, and hildebrandt's "one hot coin", also detailed in the Risk and Reward e-book.

The possibilities are endless! You can use this sort of work to suggest that thoughts can be transferred, without speaking, through energy radiating from a person's body, if you wish. I even use one of these techniques as a "hypnotic" convincer in Kentonism during the "induction phase", and it also serves the purpose of actually relaxing the spectator in the process (also, the spectator can sometimes see the background of your business card moving more vividly... those of you who have Kenton's book and hildebrandt's e-book will know how powerful this can be, and what a long way a little bit like this can go).

But most importantly, as Tom has already pointed out, you provide your audience with a real piece of magic, and it is up to them to interpret what it all means. Furthermore people will be able to replicate these experiences on their own, and even teach their friends how to as well.

Even though this is not really a trick, this is the sort of thing that your audiences will most remember you for, and (if you perform this as a straight demonstration, as detailed in the e-book) even if they come to the conclusion that the things they witnessed were merely optical illusions and that the things they felt were caused solely by their imagination, they will still find it interesting and want to talk about it with their friends and family.

I hope that you see the possibilities here and will use these ideas wisely, as you can turn this simple "aura demonstration" into a real reputation maker, even if you don't make it the main focus and instead use it as an addition to strengthen another routine.


I also hope this answered your question! :)
Message: Posted by: ALEXANDRE (Sep 6, 2005 09:45AM)
[quote]
On 2005-09-05 21:17, Tom Jorgenson wrote:
I think I ethically disagree with some of the above. Even as entertainment, if you are stating that you ARE reading auras, and you are NOT, then that is unethical. You are lying.

... Read the mentioned books, try it out...get Alexandre's book so you know what to say, then the others so you can see when to say it.
[/quote]

It's sort of the same thing when you say you are making a "prediction" when you know d amn well you're not. You also leave people scratching their heads wondering if you really did predict it. You are also lying. I do this with a simple I.D. and some people believe I have some kind of strange power. I don't have the time to tell everyone all the time, or set aside every individual who has believed in my "powers" to tell them it's just a silly trick.

As far as reading my eBook ... it's only 5 bucks ... and fun too!
Message: Posted by: Anabelle (Sep 6, 2005 04:06PM)
I've tried telling people it's not "real" and some just don't believe it, thinking I'm just trying to get out of a weird situation. I agree with Alexandre that I also don't have the time to go after every single person who thinks I'm a witch and show them otherwise! I have the aura reading and I have fun with it as it goes in with my casual psychic entertainment performances. The only serious thing I do is read the tarot, but I do that away from the magic.

Anabelle
Message: Posted by: pasharabbit (Sep 7, 2005 09:10PM)
I've done aura readings over the phone at a time before picture phones were widely available. I think people's ability to see aura's is based on simple optical illusions like people's ability to see double. If an aura was an eletromagnetic frequency you could measure it consistently but you wouldn't see it. If it was optical you could measure it consistently too, but you can't. So what's left is a psychological effect. The fact that people go into a trancelike state to see it, leads to the conclusion that's it's a form of suggestion and the visions are hypnogogic. Does it make it false? No, it's just a psychological fact not a physcial one. Do people give off 'energy' as in fun to be around of suck you dry? Sure. Is there an energy tranfer probably not. Just because something is inappropriately attributed to a physical rather than a psychological cause doen't mean it doesn't exist.
Message: Posted by: ALEXANDRE (Sep 8, 2005 09:17AM)
How did you do Aura readings over the phone? You could do it with my system, but it wouldn't be as fun since they wouldn't be able to leave with a simple and colorful drawing of their aura. Fill me in.