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Topic: Bo Staff
Message: Posted by: DaveWomach (Aug 26, 2005 11:35PM)
Hi Guys,

Do you know who makes the best bo staff illusion? I am wanting to get one made, but am unsure of the best people to go to. Right now I am leaning toward Bill Smith. Any thoughts? Thanks!

Message: Posted by: CARNEGIE (Aug 27, 2005 12:01AM)
I believe the Bo Staff was originally put out by Bill Shedoudy and I think the name of his company was Spectre Studios, I think. I didn't know Bill Smith was building it too. They both do a good job.
Message: Posted by: sperris (Aug 27, 2005 02:20AM)
As far as I know it is Roy Shank who is only allowed to build it and its actually his illusion. Looked into getting one once, have heard nothing but great things about it from friends who own them.
Message: Posted by: David Goldrake (Aug 27, 2005 04:09AM)
Bo Staff has been created by Jim Steinmeyer and Roy Shank. As far as I know, Roy is the only who builds this illusion. It is a real gem!


Message: Posted by: CARNEGIE (Aug 27, 2005 09:59PM)
Yes indeed, you are correct. It was Roy Shank and if memory serves, Roy and Bill Shedoudy were working together. But I don't know if Bill is still building.
Message: Posted by: johnnymystic (Aug 27, 2005 10:32PM)
What the H#LL is the Bo Staff illusion????? I used to know a few using a bo staff.
Message: Posted by: The Mirror Images (Aug 27, 2005 10:34PM)

Kind of like the Crusher from Magic Makers. But with a different style to it. More orient style I would say. Robert Gallup did it on his special.

Message: Posted by: johnnymystic (Aug 27, 2005 10:42PM)
Ahhh sooo...I remember the Robert Gallup special and the fight scene, too much like ballet I thought...that guy was just too d*mn good looking fer his own good I tell yeah! I did really like his sword box using the red lighted rods...to this day I still can't finger it out!

Oh yeah, thanks fer the link! ;)

Message: Posted by: Eric Buss (Aug 28, 2005 01:40PM)
Roy Shank...
Message: Posted by: DaveWomach (Aug 28, 2005 05:32PM)
Thanks guys for all of the posts. I don't think I'll ever be ordering anything from Magic Makers. They were very rude to me when I inquired about an illusion a few years ago. Then when they saw me on Murray Hatfield's tour they all of a sudden wanted my business.

I would love to get it from Roy Shank, but have had no luck finding any sort of contact information for him. Does anyone have a number?

One other question, Bill Smith said he could build it, and sent me some pics. He said that royalties for it are paid to Steinmeyer. Is this his, or Roy Shanks?

Thanks again guys...

Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Aug 28, 2005 07:58PM)
I don't know who the royalties are but if Bill told you they were Steinmeyer's, they are. Bill is a very honest person.

Message: Posted by: Farrell (Aug 29, 2005 01:13AM)
Honestly. I think Roy Shank is the best builder for this illusion I've seen it up close and it is utterly amazing I love the bo staff illusion and it iw Far Far Far far more deceptive than the Magic Makers version... don't buy that piece of garbage.
Message: Posted by: David Goldrake (Aug 29, 2005 02:13AM)
Dear Dave,

I have just sent you Roy's e-mail address and phone number via private message. Although I agree that Bill Smith is absolutely honest, I am not sure Jim gets royalties for Bo Staff...


Message: Posted by: DaveWomach (Aug 29, 2005 12:12PM)
Thanks everyone for your help. I have emailed Roy Shank, and will probably pursue his talents if he's available. Thanks again to everyone.

Message: Posted by: Lothar (Aug 29, 2005 12:40PM)
I really enjoyed Robert Gallup's performance of this, but I think a couple of more staffs need to be pushed into the box. Using only 2 still leaves lots of room for the assistant to hide in. Robert Gallup presented this as kind of a kung fu duel with another man. This gave me an idea: present the sword basket illusion with dueling pirates.

Message: Posted by: MDS (Aug 29, 2005 11:35PM)
I love the Bo Staff illusion, but I remember reading a posting from Murray Hatfield saying how great it is, but hard to transport. And it won't fit through a standard sized door if memory serves. Something to consider. You mainly work large venues though Dave so it shouldn't be a problem.

Message: Posted by: briansmagic (Aug 30, 2005 12:40AM)
My understanding is that the design is a collaboration between Steinmeyer and Shank, and Shank was building them several years ago.
Message: Posted by: DaveWomach (Aug 30, 2005 10:49AM)
Not fitting through a standard door could be a problem... My sub trunk doesn't fit through some doors too though... any ideas on how wide it is? I've always been able to get my sub trunk in, even if I have to take it out of the case first... Any thoughts?
Message: Posted by: Bill Smith (Aug 30, 2005 12:46PM)
Here is the Bo Staff "story" as told to me by Jim Steinmeyer.

Roy Shank went to Jim to develop an Illusion utilizing martial arts and
a "bo staff" (long wooden stick). Jim created the Illusion for Roy as
a "gift" and Roy built the first one. Later on, Roy started building the
Illusion for others, without consulting Jim or giving him a creative fee.

Last year I had a client (Hans Klok) that was interested in the Bo Staff
and wanted me to build one. Knowing the story of the evolution of this Illusion,
I contacted Jim Steinmeyer about building one for Hans. He gave me permission
and I sent him a creative fee. This is the first time Jim has made any money
from the "Bo Staff Illusion"!
Message: Posted by: magicfest (Aug 30, 2005 01:53PM)
Hey Dave, Mark here.
I am also having one built, I will get ahold of you in a few days to tell you who is doing ours. Im on the road right now.
Mark Benthimer
Message: Posted by: frasic (Aug 30, 2005 09:16PM)
A few years back, I met Roy and he gave me a tour of his shop and saw up close the Bo-Staff. Very deceptive even up close. Top quality...
Message: Posted by: RVH Magic (Aug 31, 2005 02:00PM)
is yours build by Roy Shank or Bill Smith ?
Having seen both versions (I have owned a Roy Shank one & I have seen the one Bill Smith build for Hans Klok up close) I can tell you those are the ones to go to if you want to have one build !
Message: Posted by: Blair Marshall (Sep 1, 2005 06:41PM)
Hey Bill,

Noticed that this was your first time posting here. Great to have you around.

As you know I always like to learn of the history of illusions, so your comments were appreciated.

Have seen many of your illusions backstage at Alains' shows.

Blair Marshall
Message: Posted by: Bryan Gilles (Sep 7, 2005 11:21PM)
This may be out of place but I was curious as to who built Mark Kalin and Jinger's Bo Staff illusion. I have heard they are one of the better acts to perform this effect.

Message: Posted by: RVH Magic (Sep 8, 2005 10:37AM)
Roy Shank build the one for Kalin .