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Topic: Who has the best C/S/B?
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Sep 7, 2005 11:40AM)
I have the Johnsons and I decided to make a new thread so not to interupt the Scotch and soda one. In your guys opinions.
Message: Posted by: Richard Evans (Sep 7, 2005 12:13PM)
Do you mean best routine or best coins?

- For routines, I like Doc Eason's & Cody Fisher's
- For coins, I'd go for Todd Lassen or Jamie Schoolcraft

Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Sep 7, 2005 12:16PM)
Ok I meant coins sorry. I also do Easons routine I was just thinking about updating my set. Just not sure wheter to go with Lassen or Jamie. I have Jamie's Flipper and a 64' kennedy set and a C/S. But I like Todds designs.
Message: Posted by: Corey Harris (Sep 7, 2005 12:31PM)
I just got my shell set from Todd, You wont be disapointed if you order from him. Superb Quality
Message: Posted by: Peo Olsson (Sep 7, 2005 12:38PM)
I have the Cody Fiser C/S/B set and his routine, which is a pleasure to work with.
But that was before I knew that Todd Lassen existed...
Message: Posted by: Rob Elliott (Sep 7, 2005 12:46PM)
Doesn't Cody use the Johnson set?
Message: Posted by: Richard Evans (Sep 7, 2005 01:18PM)
Yes, Cody Fisher uses the Johnson set. He also supplies a special coin purse with his routine that helps with ringing in & out the gaffed coins.

Both Todd and Jamie are master craftsmen. Todd's reputation is well-established; the fact that Dean Dill uses Jamie's coins is speaks for the quality of his work. you're not going to be disappointed either way.

Message: Posted by: Corey Harris (Sep 7, 2005 01:36PM)
Richard is right, YOu wont really be doing wrong either way. I personally went with Todd for the reason that he has been around longer. Also several of the local magicians highly reccomended Todd. Get a set of something from both.
Message: Posted by: CardMaker (Sep 7, 2005 05:01PM)
I use a nearly standard JOHNSON coin set ... a little altered: the gimmick is made of the chinese [ and an english penny - since old and used brass and copper can't be distinguished by color. Looks very natural. I do not know what my attached pic will tell though ;-)
Message: Posted by: Dan LeFay (Sep 7, 2005 07:14PM)
You mean you reversed the inside of the gimmmick? Does it show as a penny when nested, and like a chinese and silver coin when unnested?
If so the transpo would be between the copper and the chinese/silver not?
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Sep 7, 2005 08:30PM)
I tried them all. I like the Chinese Bit coins from Ken Brooke, made by Eddie Gibson... altho the ORIGINAL made by Connie Haden is hard to beat... then I had a custom made set from Lassen... but something in the PRESENTATION, for me... was lacking.

Even though the workmanship was superb I just wasn't happy with the set.

While working on some other project with Joe Porper I asked him if he could make up the CSB coins out of Casino Poker Chips.

It took awhile, but WOW... did he come up with a KILLER set up. Then I designed a leather pouch that automatically switches them for ungaffed ones with a nice move at the end of the routine.

Been slaying the boys at the Castle and Dean's Shoppe with this set.

Porper will have these on the market in a few days... and at $89.50 the set is a STEAL. They aren't on the website, but you can clik on the ad link here on the Café and email Joe to order.
Message: Posted by: PaulGreen (Sep 8, 2005 12:59AM)
I, too, have tried them all. Personally, I like the 2 Copper, Silver set best.

The Porper/Biro (Biro/Porper) set is quite nice. Pete's little leather pouch is nice, but I still prefer the elegance of my pouch switch from my notes and DVD.

I would also check Cody Fisher's routine to round out the best of the best.


Paul Green
Message: Posted by: CardMaker (Sep 8, 2005 03:33AM)
On 2005-09-07 20:14, Dan LeFay wrote:
You mean you reversed the inside of the gimmmick? Does it show as a penny when nested, and like a chinese and silver coin when unnested?
If so the transpo would be between the copper and the chinese/silver not?


Correct! The inner coin is a thin silver/copper coin and when nested it is an english penny, dark & tarnished and thin! When unnested it shows the headside of a silver coin and the chinese coin .

@Paul Green,
I recently got your "In the trenches" DVD and man I like it!!!
Message: Posted by: magicxman (Sep 8, 2005 05:48AM)

Thanks for the updates.I waited the casino set for a long time. I must order mine immediate. Few weeks ago I heard Joe's health is not too good. Did he fully recovered ? Take my best regards to him. Thanks
Message: Posted by: Mike Walton (Sep 13, 2005 09:22PM)
I highly recommend the Johnson set if you're interested in a working rather than collecting set.

I was interested in the Lassen set because of it's sheer beauty but Todd himself noted that he can't shave the chinese coin sxxxx as thin as the original because of its age. His honesty makes me respect his integrity and work even more. So if you use a close-up pad and set Lassen's gimmick down, then a spectator may be able to tell the difference between that and an original. If you just limit the magic to in-hands, then it won't be a problem but since occasionally, I'll set the gimmick down I went with the Johnson set.

I'm not sure if he's still using the same older coins or if this still applies but I wrote him about a year or so ago. Lassen's set is indeed beautiful unlike anything out there.

The Johnson CSB is a work-horse and the chinese coin looks good especially with some age.
Message: Posted by: Dan LeFay (Sep 14, 2005 02:48AM)
So comparing these opinions it seems that the thickness of "one part of the gimmick" may be an issue when deciding which set you want. The smaller half-dollar size coins don't have this issue.
Of course with the right audience management and routining you can use everything that's out there.
From the 4 sets I have Todd's is the most beautiful and in practice it is unbeatable. I've mentioned it before but the fact that the unnested gimmick even SOUNDS right is really cool!

On the other hand I've been working on the Dan Watkins version (from his last booklet), and to do that routine with dollar sized coins you need hands the size of Fred Kaps. For that I'd stick to the half-dollar coins (I use the Chinese Bit set).
Message: Posted by: Dan Watkins (Sep 14, 2005 09:12AM)
I have had four sets of C/S/B coins.

One is Johnson Products version - for people who just use clad half dollar coins, this is a high quality set for the price. I don't use this set much but I have kept it for a backup.

The 2nd is a dollar size CSB set that Todd Lassen made me, this set I only used for standup routines where I just show the face of the gimmick. Coins of this size I personally would only use for such a routine where I only show the faces of the coins to the audience. When the gimmick is laid flat or is viewed from the side because of its size, the edge is a "tell". The copper face is very thin, and it has a very large silver edge to it - definately not deceptive from the side. This is just a characteristic of dollar size coins - just much more viewing area from the side to catch the gimmick. But it works well for the purposes I specifically bought the coin set for.

My 3rd set is a half dollar size set I bought on ebay that Todd Lassen made. It was made with an authentic Chinese coin. This suffers on a smaller degree from the same thing as the dollar set. Since the authentic Chinese coin is wafer thin, the gimmick has a wafer thin Chinese side to it and a full sized silver edge. If you glimpse the gimmick edge, it is exposed, the other thing is the gaff by its very nature cannot be as thin as the real Chinese coin, so its a pretty big discrepency. I sold this set to a friend who did not care about the discrepancy.

The issues with the 2nd and 3rd set is 100% attributed to the type of coins, not the craftsmanship.

My 4th CSB set I picked up from Jamie Schoolcraft. It is the African Dime, Peru, Walking Liberty one that I use on my DVD. Because the African dime is normal thickness, the gimmick is much more deceptive, with the edge 50% silver 50% copper like a C/S coin. (the Johnson gimmick's edge is like this too, 50% silver 50% brass).

So for the most common routines I would recommend either the Johnson set or if you get a custom set made, get it with coins that are half dollar size, all normal thickness like African Dimes, Centavos, Peruvian, English Pennies, any half dollar type, etc.(no super thin coins). Custom made quarter size ones look pretty cool too, but I don't own any of these.
Message: Posted by: WayneNZ (Sep 14, 2005 10:05AM)
Good advice Dan,
Thanks I will use some of Your tips
when I get a good set made by Todd.
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Sep 14, 2005 11:38AM)
I beleave I'm going to go with Jamie but not sure if I should go with Halfs or Walking Liberty I have Jamie's 64 Kennedy set and I'm not sure if I went with the Liberty CSB I would also need to get another walking liberty.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Sep 14, 2005 12:39PM)
To Magicxman: Porper is fine. He had a "very slight" blockage and it was fixed by his doctor with a "stint" -- Matter of fact as I write this he's in Las Vegas on Billiard business.

The POKER CHIP SURPRISE is now available... go to http://www.porperorignals.com to buy (you need to email to get it as it is not on the site yet) or http://www.hocus-pocus.com where it is in stock and you can see photos of it.
Message: Posted by: jerdunn (Sep 14, 2005 03:21PM)
My CSB set, made by Todd, uses a Walking Liberty silver half dollar, an African dime (copper coin with hole), and a Peruvian something-or-other that's a golden color.

Like the set Dan Watkins described a couple of posts above, it is very deceptive. Todd's set is also beautifully made and works like a charm.

When I travel I take a cheaper set (not sure who made it); the Chinese coin looks a bit like a washer with Chinese characters, but I can always do the old "Made in the People's Replica of China" joke.

Message: Posted by: Larry Davidson (Sep 14, 2005 05:39PM)
I have an old Johnson set using a half dollar, a Sterling set using a half dollar, a Lassen set using a Morgan silver dollar, a Lassen set using a Franklin half dollar, and two Schoolcraft sets using quarters. Can you tell that I like the effect? Although I don't use any of them professionally (I used to use the Sterling set professionally 20 years ago), I'd love to develop a routine using the quarter set because I'm interested in performing the the effect using a "borrowed" quarter. The only problem is that then I wouldn't be able to use the Mexican Centavo and Chinese coin gags which I absolutely love.
Message: Posted by: Michael Dustman (Sep 14, 2005 07:12PM)
I have enjoyed the Schoolcraft set I had made earlier this year and received quite a few compliments from other magicians who saw the set.

I had mine made in the Walking Liberty, Peruvian Coin and East African Penny. Excellent work and extremely fast turnaround time.
Message: Posted by: Almost Amazing Doug (Sep 14, 2005 11:59PM)
Back to the routines...

Okay, time for me to get the Cody Fisher CSB routine. Is the one refered to several times above the Real World CSB on Cody's Unforgettable Coin Magic DVD? I have a foggy memory that he had a couple versions out, perhaps the "best" one only marketed with the coins?


Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Sep 15, 2005 04:11AM)
Yeah I was intrested in that but I want to get my own custom set. And then get his DVD and or the gaffed purse.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Sep 15, 2005 11:26AM)
Check out Poker Chip Surpise at http://www.hocus-pocus.com (blatant plug)! :spinningcoin:
Message: Posted by: doug brewer (Sep 15, 2005 11:47AM)
Cody Fisher's CSB routine is a very strong and well thought out routine. I would go with either this routine or Dan Watkin's version on his recent DVD (CSB Asssault). If you use the 2 Copper/1 Silver gaff I'd say learn Kurtz' Trio in Three routine. These 3 routines are the strongest and most direct out there. (Bannon has a routine in Smoke & Mirrors, but there's some pocket work).

Now get the gaffs and start practicing.
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Sep 15, 2005 12:06PM)
Well I really don't care if I did have to go to the pocket. I just saw Dans routine and it is very sweet, I Just need to know which one to go with Jamie's or the Cody set. Pete I just saw your chips and they look really sweet I just need to get the dough to get in your standards. LOL I'm still trying to save up for your Cap in bottle. I do wish there was a demo. I know what would happen and everything. Sometimes you just need to see a visual. But with time my friend.
Message: Posted by: doug brewer (Sep 15, 2005 12:34PM)
Ah, which coin set . . . apples and oranges.

Regarding the pocket - you will care if you start performing this for real people. Good luck.
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Sep 15, 2005 12:46PM)
Well see that's the thing with my old Johnson set. I use to do Doc Easons routine. Then I saw Dans and actually read it a while ago.But I have only heard and read about Cody's routine. But then again that was when I wasnt really into coin magic but the tides have turned and that's pretty much all I do now a days. And since being in the military out in Iceland I don't get a lot of chances to go to lectures or round tables to talk to any others about these issues, this is basically my only outlet. I know there are millions of routines outthere but I havent seen them. So I want to get my hands on a really nice set (Jamie's from what it seems) And then learn a couple other routines but I think I read that Cody's envolves a gimmicked purse. So I'm trying to get in a lot of information before I make a decision.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Sep 15, 2005 12:46PM)
On 2005-09-15 12:26, Pete Biro wrote:
Check out Poker Chip Surpise at http://www.hocus-pocus.com (blatant plug)! :spinningcoin:

That's not a C/S/B routine, though. Correct?
Message: Posted by: Michael Dustman (Sep 15, 2005 12:49PM)
On 2005-09-15 13:46, MagicChris wrote:
On 2005-09-15 12:26, Pete Biro wrote:
Check out Poker Chip Surpise at http://www.hocus-pocus.com (blatant plug)! :spinningcoin:

That's not a C/S/B routine, though. Correct?

Yep...same principal. Connie Hayden originated the concept which Dan Watkins did a fantastic job on his DVD of credit history.


Cody created the gaffed coin purse as an extra benefit for those who wanted it. He to this day doesn't use it himself, nor do I. I use a regular Onosaka coin purse with no gaff and it works fine.
Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Sep 15, 2005 01:46PM)
What about CopSilBrass by Geoff Latta.
only requires a C/S and I think it's great.

However, I've only performed it for myself.
I've not tested it on a real audience.
Message: Posted by: David Neighbors (Sep 15, 2005 03:28PM)
Hi Gang,
You mite want to look at My China Con. From my sound routines book! Not only does it add sound to the routine But all 3 coins change at the end!Or Easy Con(Same Book!)where all 3 coins vanish at the end!

Best David Neighbors
The Coinjurer
Message: Posted by: Daren (Sep 16, 2005 01:19PM)
I have the al goshman purse and also have the johnson csb set, I have ordered the cody fisher dvd and noticed he has a routine on there using a purse, can I easily make the gimmick myself with the purse or is it something that cody does specially
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Sep 16, 2005 02:28PM)
Not sure brother I still need to get them myself. My Coin purse is from Rubeinstien I can never spell that right.
Message: Posted by: John C (Sep 18, 2005 09:57AM)
On 2005-09-15 12:26, Pete Biro wrote:
Check out Poker Chip Surpise at http://www.hocus-pocus.com (blatant plug)! :spinningcoin:

... again.

Message: Posted by: rmoraleta (Sep 18, 2005 12:27PM)
Well... I'm having a bad experience with them right now.
Message: Posted by: jerdunn (Sep 18, 2005 08:04PM)
If you're considering a routine, look at Jim Lewis's "Foreign Exchange," which is on his Million Dollar Mysteries video. No pocket usage, and very visual open changes.

Message: Posted by: magicbob116 (Oct 14, 2005 12:09PM)
I recently purchased a Johnsons C/S/B. Where can I find the "advanced" routines you all have referenced above? I can do the "standard" routine that came in the instructions, but I'd prefer to transpose between hands and not always to the pocket (seems a little too convenient, if you know what I mean). If anyone has an original routine they wouldn't mind sharing, please e-mail me.

P.S. I just do magic for family and friends, so you professionals don't have to worry that I'll be "borrowing" your routine for my act.
Message: Posted by: magicbob116 (Oct 14, 2005 12:11PM)
Ok... I'm also new to the Magic Café forums. So I just discovered the "private message" feature. You could use that instead of e-mailing me. Thanks again!
Message: Posted by: Rob Elliott (Oct 14, 2005 01:47PM)
There are a number of threads on this topic. Try running a search on "CSB".
Message: Posted by: magicbob116 (Oct 15, 2005 11:31AM)
I was looking at Cody Fisher's DVD on hocuspocus.com as well as the complete set for C/S/B. I have all of the coins I need and an ungimmicked purse. Someone mentioned above that Cody doesn't actually use the gimmicked purse. So would it be best to just buy the DVD and use the ungimmicked purse or is the gimmicked purse needed to perform his version of this effect? Is a gimmicked purse available separately? About how much does one cost? If it runs $20, then I would have to spend about $45 for the DVD and purse. Would it be better to buy the "complete package" that includes the coins for $70? That would be a bargain for the coins. Even though they would be "extras" I'm sure I could put them to good use! I think the downside is that I would only get the printed instructions and not the video tutorial. Any thoughts? Thanks.
Message: Posted by: leko (Oct 15, 2005 01:33PM)
When ordering at Hocus Pocus from Europe, beware: it is VERY expensive. For me it was once and never again.
Sorry, just had to get this off my mind.