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Topic: Sword through Body video
Message: Posted by: JoeJoe (Sep 22, 2005 10:34PM)
Ok ... what gives here? Anyone know what they are saying???

http://www.plsthx.com/Crazy_videos/338_Sword_Through_Body.html



JoeJoe
Message: Posted by: Todd Robbins (Sep 23, 2005 07:10AM)
This is legit. The swords are really going through his body. I heard Tim Cridland, better known as Zamora-The Torture King, talk about this guy. There is a way of piercing your body like that an avoiding internal organs. I seem to recall that this guy did it wrong once and it killed him. That's show business.
Message: Posted by: MattTheKnife (Sep 23, 2005 09:27AM)
All that I can say is WOW.

Thanks for sharing the video Joe!

Cheers,
-Matt (TK)
Message: Posted by: Caveat Lector (Sep 23, 2005 11:08AM)
I second your WOW and raise you a double F'N WOW!!!
What can you say about that other than, holy shizzle!!
Message: Posted by: poolos (Sep 23, 2005 11:26AM)
What a wonderfully wicked and entertaining video. How do you practice something like that?
Message: Posted by: Todd Robbins (Sep 23, 2005 11:52AM)
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On 2005-09-23 12:26, poolos wrote:
How do you practice something like that?
[/quote]

Carefully. VERY carefully. As I said, this stunt killed him.

Todd
Message: Posted by: drwilson (Sep 23, 2005 11:56AM)
You'd sure have to have a lot of confidence in the guy pushing the sword through. I mean, what if he sneezes?

Yours,

Paul
Message: Posted by: poolos (Sep 23, 2005 11:58AM)
I'm thinking it would make a great bar trick!
Message: Posted by: ssucahyo (Sep 23, 2005 01:40PM)
You are all fooled......that guy using fake sword. You can buy it at Penguin Magic....hurry go for it.... ;o)
Message: Posted by: JoeJoe (Sep 23, 2005 03:15PM)
Todd, I did a search on Tim Cridland and found an interview with him:

[quote]
A. One thing that I have said that I would like to do is the sword through the body stunt that was performed by Mirn Dajo in Switzerland in the late 1940s. He would have someone run him completely through with a sharpened fencing style sword. It would go all the way through the center of the body at various places. He was studied extensively by doctors and was 100% for real. I have recently made contact with the grandson of the guy who pushed the sword through Dajo. He informs me that he is still alive at 90 years of age and has just completed a book on Dajo. I plan to travel to Europe to meet with him.
[/quote]



So I did a search for "Mirn Dajo" and it appears he is the guy in the video. Found a few still pictures of him, including an x-ray:

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=35093



All I can say is if Tim Cridland wants to bring this act back, he is crazier than all ya'all freaks put together - this has to be the most dangerous sideshow stunt ever!

JoeJoe
Message: Posted by: Todd Robbins (Sep 23, 2005 04:58PM)
You can also get those collapsible nails and candy-glass lightbulbs at Penguin Magic.
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Sep 23, 2005 05:26PM)
All I can say is... Curses! Foiled again!
Message: Posted by: thegreatnippulini (Sep 24, 2005 01:51AM)
You can also get fiberglass anvils and foam rubber anchors at Penguin too, or so I've heard.
Message: Posted by: James Houston (Sep 24, 2005 11:19AM)
I'm speechless.
Message: Posted by: DavidEscapes (Sep 24, 2005 11:25AM)
Seriously? And all this time I have been doing this stuff for real. How stupid do I feel now ;)
Message: Posted by: ssucahyo (Sep 24, 2005 11:59AM)
My friend in club cn do better effect...and more dangerous!!!!!!!!......................................................................................."SWORD THRU NECK" :o)
Message: Posted by: Zane13 (Sep 24, 2005 10:14PM)
From what I've heard he swallowed a ladies shoe,and hoped that through his own inner strenght his stomach would digest the shoe.Sadly it didn't and he died.
Message: Posted by: jasonmiller (Sep 25, 2005 12:45AM)
I always wondered about this guy. I have used a shorter version of that clip for a couple of years in a video show I do sometimes. It always gets attention and freaks people out.
Message: Posted by: AntonDreaming (Sep 26, 2005 03:02AM)
All I can say is wow... Its interesting how we think that this is the most "extream of times" and here theres this guy 65 years ago literly skewering himself on stage. Its mind bending. How do you work up to that sort of thing? Its just unreal. I love it.
Message: Posted by: Todd Robbins (Sep 26, 2005 07:23AM)
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On 2005-09-24 23:14, Zane13 wrote:
From what I've heard he swallowed a ladies shoe,and hoped that through his own inner strenght his stomach would digest the shoe.Sadly it didn't and he died.
[/quote]

As the Great Nippled One would say, "Well, that's shoe business."
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Sep 26, 2005 11:15AM)
Vlad Teps rehearsed this act for years & years...of course he used others to absorb the test thrusts....and they all died...but the R&D has been done hundreds of years ago...I'm waiting for the idot who allows himself to be sliced in half cranium to crotch by a Samurai Sword..now that's an act! Can only be done once though...but if your suicidal, why drag it out?
Message: Posted by: Kondini (Sep 26, 2005 01:19PM)
Think I will stick to stuffing poppers up me bum!!!
Message: Posted by: thegreatnippulini (Sep 27, 2005 08:12AM)
There is a short clip of a similar stunt, although the one I'm thinking of had more religious value. The Sufi's have festivals where people dance through the streets, jamming whatever they can find through whatever body parts strikes their interest. The usual seen is pins, forks, knives, lamps, anything sharp and metallic pushed through cheeks, bottom of jaws, arms, and yes.. one man had a sword pushed through his chest. Another man had a knife punched in the top of his head. ***ized as "whirling dervishes" these people are NOT faking anything. They have no reason to. The man that had the sword pushed through his chest lived, the injury was not lethal and he sustained minor bleeding and healed almost immediately. The point of entry was at the ribcage about 6 inches below the armpit and went across (under the ribs) and out right below his opposite shoulder. Ssuchayo, these are NOT performers. It IS real. Just because something is widely known in the illusionary circles as gaffed does not in ANY way mean that what others have done (and do today) is falsified. Do some research. It is REAL.
Message: Posted by: TAIT (Sep 27, 2005 09:40AM)
Hers I video of the festival http://www.bravo.co.uk/worldofpain/clips/mov5.html
Message: Posted by: Eric Leclerc (Oct 12, 2005 01:52AM)
I stumbled upon this thread and decided I would take the time and translate what buddy is saying in the video for you guys...

"In this Baule hospital, an audience composed of doctors and scientists are called upon to study the extraordinary case of ?Mirin Dayeau? This Holland man's body can be pierced without damage with a sword. The demonstrations are being conducted by a Swedish wiseman named ?massinni? and can be authentified by his ranking amongst the Swedish officials.

Here we see the "patients" right lung has been pierced without any apparent discomfort or pain, and this, even upon removal of the sword. A severe medical exam completed by a minute radioscopic team proved that any other person attempting these stunts would not survive.

The strange Holland man who apparently portrays a normal shell, has suffered several times, the damage of one or more essential organs for every stunt. This one time, he even punctured his heart"

wow that was tiring... I thought it would take 5 minutes... hehe..i am going to bed
Message: Posted by: Roslyn (Oct 12, 2005 03:21AM)
Thanks for that Eric. This is great.

Ros
Message: Posted by: Scott Xavier (Oct 12, 2005 05:45PM)
Looks as if the swords are missing the major organs. I know many who use pain killers like vicodin before doing the pin cushion, could you imagine the pain along with this?
Message: Posted by: thegreatnippulini (Oct 13, 2005 10:08AM)
I don't know ANYBODY who would do something that stupid, ignorant and charlatan. First off, if you feel the need to take a painkiller before performing a torture act you shouldn't be on a stage. Wimp. Second off, all painkillers contain anticoagulants, so if you intend on doing body stapling, pincushion, etc. be prepared for a hell of a cleanup. Dumba ss. Thirdly, (this kind of goes back to First) you should already know how to do a [b]certain something[/b] to not feel pain if you intend on doing "torture" acts. Pain is entirely in your mind. Your [b]mind[/b] is a fascinating tool that can do a myriad of unimaginable things. Scott, if you or anyone you know is doing this quite unprofessional practice of using painkillers, stop now before you seriously hurt yourself or somebody else. Also consider the mental and psychological impact that these drugs have on your systems. Painkillers side effects (sometimes amongst certain people are DESIRED effects) include sleepyness, drowsiness, dulling of senses, inability to focus, loss of concentration, loss of motor function and coordination, slurring of speech, sometimes sensitivity to light (what's pointing at you onstage? 1,000 stage lights pointing at you, each at over 150 watts), these are just to name a few. Forget about the uncontrollable explosive diarrhea and loss of bladder control (that would look nice onstage). I'd say that a drugged out slurring stumbling fakir is the BEST type of presentation you want to shoot for (that's sarcasm there for ya).

I've been lifting serious weight(s) with my piercings since 1996 and I have NEVER used medication, pain mamagement is entirely mental. Here's my best advice on this one... take the word MEDICATION and subsitute a letter "T" for the letter "C". Use THAT while onstage and you'll earn my respect and the respect of the men and women who have been doing this the right way for centuries.

TGN
Message: Posted by: felix501 (Oct 14, 2005 02:48PM)
Anyone know the circumstances of the guy's death?

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Message: Posted by: Scott Xavier (Oct 17, 2005 12:24PM)
TGN,

Guess some are stronger then others. I never have used them, but I have seen some who do. After 10 shows a day 7 days a week, one builds a tolerance. But, when one starts off the medication helps take the edge off...

1,000's of lights at 150 watts? Wow, your playing the madisson square guardens sideshows aren't you? The 3 side shows Ive worked in barely had lighting.

Diarrhea, I get that from the constant trips to mc donalds late at night. Eating one meal a day off the dollar menu at mc donalds will make any man sick! Surviving that, now theres a stunt!

In conclusion: When your Pin Cushion doesn't arrive for another 3 weeks and you need a "Blow Off" tent, some performers/operators are willing to go to negative extremes to get the job done. With a 95% turn over with the pin cushion blow, Diarrhea and light sensitivity is the least of ones worries. Paying the bills usually wins out.

Not trying to sound like a jerk, just wanted to let you know how it is on the road where I've been. This happens. I personally like the pain, some don't. You may not like what you've read but it happens. It may not be safe, but it does go on...
Message: Posted by: JoeJoe (Oct 17, 2005 12:35PM)
Thanks for the transcript Eric! I was really wondering what they were saying ... I found this while searching to see what other sword-through-body illusions were marketed, what he is doing is exactly what I intend to do - only mine is an illusion and I won't be bare chested.

JoeJoe
Message: Posted by: thegreatnippulini (Oct 18, 2005 01:14PM)
Scott, no worries man. You did not appear to be a jerk. :) I got ya on the midway bit. Been there a few times for Ward Hall and once for Jack Constantine. The part about the slurring stumbling fakir was more directed towards theatrical stage prescence rather than the 20-shows-a-day-seven-days-a-week. Users of painkillers for theatre venue stage shows, well that lot is sloppy and unprofessional. You'll also notice I tend to exaggerate as well. 1,000 lights I wish! So was the part about the uncontorllable explosive diarrhea and loss of bladder control. Those "side effects" sound amusing when you hear them in commercials... those along with "accidental anal leakage", that one kills me!

Yours,
TGN
Message: Posted by: Tim Cridland (Feb 5, 2006 11:56AM)
Folks, I know no one has posted on this thread in a while, but I was doing some research on Mirin Dajo and ran across this topic.

I would like to add to it to clear up some misconceptions.

1) Dajo did not die from doing the sword through the body stunt. Amazingly, he did this hundreds of times and it did not kill him. Dajo died doing a different bizarre stunt, but the sword did not do him in, although some books have implied that it.

2) The death of Dajo. Dajo believed that his body would move aside and allow the sword to pass through him.
A rich person made a bet with him and Dajo agreed to swallow a metal wedge shaped spike that had a ball on the end. The ball went into the stomach with the spike pointing upwards and the wedge part facing outwards, towards Dajo's abdomen The idea was that it would pass through the front of his body.
Well, this did not work, so Dajo had one of his doctor friends perform and operation to remove the spike.
After the operation everything seemed fine. Dajo was healing rapidly from the operation. Days later, while at a friend's house, Dajo went into a deep meditative state, something that he did often. This time he did not wake up, Dajo had died.
An autopsy revealed that the cause of the death was internal hemorrhaging. It is not clear as to whether this was caused by the spike of the operation that removed it.
Sword swallowers should take special note of this. The hemorrhaging was from a slight perforation of the esophagus into the aorta. The medical report of Dajo's death clearly show just how close the esophagus is to the aorta, the largest artery in the human body, and how vulnerable it is to perforation.

3) And a bit of misinformation I have seen here and nowhere else.... Dajo did not swallow a woman's show and try and digest it. At first I could not figure out why someone would say this, but while doing research, I found one website that make reference to Dajo swallowing a "stiletto."

Just to clarify, here is what dictionary.com says about stilettos:

stiletto
n : a small dagger with a tapered blade

stiletto heel

n : a very high narrow heel on women's shoes

Dajo swallowed the first one, not the second. And when it says he was run through with a foil, they are not taking about Reynolds's Wrap.



Your,

Torture King
Message: Posted by: Zane13 (Feb 6, 2006 09:29PM)
Hi Tim,
I was just wondering about something I saw on the deathwish special.A voice-over on a clip of Mirin Dajo being implaled,stated that it was a feat anyone could achieve following dangerous surgery.Im not sure what this meant,but basically my question is,whether or not following all your research,you feel that this stunt would be possible to replicate.
Message: Posted by: Tim Cridland (Feb 8, 2006 01:10PM)
Zane,

The doctor on who was doing the voice over for the original Pathe' newsreel was trying to explain it away, not explain it. It is obvious from watching the film that Dajo is doing something different from what he is saying. For instance, he say that the sword always goes through the same place, but you can clearly that he has numerous marks on his back in many different places where it went through before.
As far as I can tell, the dangerous operation that allows you to have a sword thrust through your body is.... having a sword thrust through your body.

As to whether someone else can do this... I have found historical accounts of this, as well as some contemporary accounts. Usually this is done by Sufi Dervishes in private ceremonies and not as a public display. So other people can and have done it.

I have read medical reports on Dajo, although not as many as I would like to because of the language barrier; most of what is written on Dajo is in German or Dutch.

In the past I have said that this is a feat that I would like to duplicate, and I still hold by this. I am convinced that I can duplicate it. But it will take some interest by a serious backer, someone interested in presenting this for TV or pay-per-veiw or something like that, before I move forward on this

Tim
Message: Posted by: Chance (Feb 9, 2006 01:09PM)
Incredible. After watching that vid I feel like a total sisified fraud.
Message: Posted by: jeremysweiss (Feb 13, 2006 05:11PM)
I am a bit nervous to post this on the Magic Café. However, I thought you might be interested since my medical specialty is Vascular and Interventional Radiology--I stick people with *VERY* long needles all day and use X-ray, ultrasound and CAT scan guidance.

While I believe this guy was actually getting skewered, I am not sure that
the radiograph (X-ray) on the site:

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=35093

is genuine. Of couse, it is so small it is hard to say and if one were actually doing this effect, why would you need to fake a radiograph. (I'd love an enlarged image). If it were real, he appears to be skewering his liver (and his lung). Yes, your liver rides as high as your nipple and...most of the time, puncturing the liver isn't a big deal.

This man may have had bilateral pleuritis from prior pneumonia or TB, causing the linings of his lungs to thicken and adhere to his chest wall--thereby avoiding a "dropped lung" or pneumothorax. If one stays lateral (most of the vessels feeding the lung are central), then the only risk of skewering oneself is a pneumothorax--a complication he is clearly able to avoid for reasons that must relate to his anatomy. One would probably also like to make sure that the blade enters ABOVE the rib (the intercostal arteries run underneath the ribs).

At any rate...if this is real, this man has something peculiar about his chest. Something that cannot be "learned". As a guy who sticks needles and instruments into people ALL DAY LONG under direct visualization so I can actually see what damage I am doing, I am telling you this is a talent that can't be "learned".

As for the transabdominal skewer....stick out the pooching fat pad of your abdomen, go in one side and out the other being careful to stay in front of the abdominal muscles and then "suck" your abdomen back in tight. It will give the appearance of being skewered through the middle of the abdomen with out endangering your intestines, veins, arteries, etc. Most of us, even us skinny guys, have enough fat to do this (just not enough balls).

By the way...Nippulini may be able to lift stuff up with his tits, but he isn't always right... "Second off, all painkillers contain anticoagulants, so if you intend on doing body stapling, pincushion, etc. be prepared for a hell of a cleanup. Dumba ss."

That simply isn't true. The only widely used "pain killer" that is an anticoagulant really is aspirin. It makes your platelets less sticky. Other NSAIDs (non-steroidal anti inflammatory medications) are not anticoagulants. Narcotics, the other major class of painkiller, are not anticoagulants (otherwise we wouldn't give these medications to people before and after surgery). He may be under the impression that anesthetics are vasodilators--which is generally true. Anesthetics, such as lidocaine (the most commonly used local anesthetic), benzocaine and others in the "caine" family increase flow in your blood vessels--something to be avoided when piercing the body. However, we give people anesthetics without significantly increased risk of bleeding (otherwise you'd be really ****ed off with your doctor and particularly your dentist). By the way, there is one famous anesthetic that is a vasoconstrictor (make the vessels SMALLER) and that is COCAINE. This is why cocaine is used to treat people with intractable nosebleeds. That is also how it rots your nose out if you are a chronic cocaine user. Chronic vasoconstriction leads to gangrene of the septum of the nose.

Anyways, I doubt that there are very many physicians like me--ones that have interest in the sideshow arts. If anyone wants me to review any medical related sideshow stuff (X-rays, journal reports, etc.) I am happy to do so. I'd be happy to be the "medical consultant to the sideshow". So feel free to e-mail or snail mail you stuff. I have a great collection of X-rays of things placed where they shouldn't be.

Jeremy Weiss
JeremySWeiss@yahoo.com
Message: Posted by: thegreatnippulini (Feb 14, 2006 07:56AM)
Jeremy, well put! Hear hear! The comments I made about painkillers were mostly poking fun at a topic (pun intended). The painkillers that I was referring to as PROVEN anticoagulants are the OTC kind. Aspirin, Tylenol, Motrins, that sort of lot definitely cause excess bleeding as you already know that. I stick things in people too, about a dozen times a day (body piercer), the only time my clients bleed is if they have been drinking within 24 hours, have a history of bleeding, or have been on an OTC painkiller (I've even had some clients come in high on Tylenol #3, Vicodin, Xanex, alcohol, marijuana, etc.). I would hope that as you are in the medical field that you would agree with me that any use of painkillers on stage is extremely unprofessional behavior. In addition, the so-called torture acts are all done without letting pain get in the way - sans drugs. Excellent insight to the sword through the chest act, by the way.

TMFGN
Message: Posted by: Todd Robbins (Feb 14, 2006 09:09AM)
Jeremy is a great guy. He attended the sideshow school in Coney Island and he was great to have around. He knows what he is talking about and LOVES the stuff we do here. He is a welcomed addition to our group.
Message: Posted by: jeremysweiss (Feb 14, 2006 02:45PM)
Thanks Todd and Nippulini.
Uhhh, yeah...no one should be on drugs and on stage. Especially doing anything high risk to yourself. There is also always an audience to worry about...and it is the performers responsibility to help keep them safe too. (And of course, if they are enjoying the act, they are likely to be impaired....)
Message: Posted by: Tim Cridland (Feb 14, 2006 05:03PM)
Jeremy,

Re: is the x-ray fake? Most probably not. After Dajo was prevented from performing in public, he did demonstrations exclusively for doctors. The film of Dajo is a Pathe' Newsreel of one such demonstration. He was x-rayed during the trans-abdominal piercing.

Re: Did the trans-abdominal skewering go into the abdominal muscles or in-front of them? I also have a video where a guy with a big belly gets skewered the same way, and it appears that it may have gone in front of the abdominal muscles. But in the case of Dajo, it seems to have gone right through the middle. Remember, this is in front of doctors who x-rayed him while it was in him. I will give a rough translation from the medical journal: "The sword went under the lower half of the rib cage in the middle of the axillar-line at the height of the spleen. It transversed through the upper abdomen exiting on the right side a little higher in the front of the axillar line, most likely below the liver." and, referring to the same impalement: "The foil went right through the middle part of the body" I have high quality video of this, and it really does look like it is going into abdominal cavity.

Re: There something special about Dajo's body or lungs? This something to think about. Since he survived interment in a Nazi prison camp, he may have had TB or something like that, as outbreak of all kinds of diseases were common in interment camps.
And later in the article about Dajo, talking about other cases of fakir type acts that have been studied: "This same man from the circus was examined by the well know lung specialist Schoeder Schomberg. This is explained in Brauer and Sauerbruch, when, in 1907, during a circus, long-strong needles penetrated the chest cage. Only once a double sided Pneumothorax appeared that had to be lanced (or drained)." Again please exuse the rough translation.

Tim
Message: Posted by: jeremysweiss (Feb 14, 2006 08:13PM)
Tim:

If I am getting your description correct, the sword went axillary line to axillary line (front-to-back or back-to-front) and below the liver. It is possible, that if he has a high riding liver, that would indeed be the perfect place to get skewered--only having to miss the ascending colon.

Interestingly, when I have to stick someone with a needle and biopsy something very close to a vital structure I want to avoid, I will often convert to a special type a needle, called a Hawkins needle. It has a blunt end and rather than piercing the organ I am trying to miss, the bluntness of the needle typically moves the structure aside and out of harms way. (Although, my partner just used the Hawkins needle in a case the other day and rather than missing the patient's aorta, he ended up going through it and out the other side. No harm came to the patient, by the way, but it certainly gave my collegue diarrhea.)

My other colleague tells me that there was a video of Hawkins using this needle to stab a perfused kidney a bunch of times. What he showed was that if you used a sharp needle, the kidney sprang a bunch of leaks like bugs bunny being shot by Elmer Fudd. However, when you did this with his needle, it tended to avoid the vessels and the kidney didn't leak after numerous blind sticks.

At any rate, I would love to see some of the actual "medical" documentation regarding the Dajo case. It is facinating.

Also, when I was with Todd, I never got around to telling him about the AFIP (the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology). It is the official sideshow of medicine. All of the worlds weirdest and wonderful cases go there. You get to see the real thing--two headed babies, etc. No gaffs. There is a skeleton of a guy there that had rhematoid arthritis so badly that all his bones fused. his jaw fused and he couldn't eat, so they had to punch him in the mouth and knock out his teeth to feed him. (Hey, it was the old days, whaddaya want?)

A wax cast of a guy with a 10 pound wart hanging off of his nose. Stuff like that.

All of the cases have superior documentation. The AFIP had just started when the photograph was invented so they went nuts documenting everything. Two cases actually stand out in my mind:

One was of an officer in the civil war who was shot. He developed an abcess, but wanted to be involved in some upcoming battle. However, the physician thought he was too sick. So he opened up the guy to drain the abcess and, in order to keep the tract open so the abcess could drain and heal up, the physician strung a piece of leather through it. The guy refused that newfangled anesthesia, instead opting for a stiff drink. There is a picture of this guy, standing there in military regalia, shirt off, with a piece of leather going through his body, out the other side and he is holding his drink.

The other case is a small picture of an officer next to a box. The story underneath the picture says that this was officer so-and-so (I forgot his name) and he was riding his horse, when out of nowwhere, a cannonball took off his leg. The first thing he did was quiet his horse. He picked up his leg and rode to the army hospital. Now, by this time, you get kinda curious about the box. You look in, and there is his leg! And there is the cannon ball! And then there is a little blurb about how he used to come to the AFIP each year on the anniversary of the incident.

NOW THAT IS SIDESHOW!
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Feb 14, 2006 08:21PM)
I know a lady who has the ossifying disease. Her attitudes match the increasing stiffness of her body. That's bizarre.
Message: Posted by: Tim Cridland (Feb 14, 2006 08:29PM)
[quote]
On 2006-02-14 21:13, jeremysweiss wrote:
Tim:

If I am getting your description correct, the sword went axillary line to axillary line (front-to-back or back-to-front) and below the liver. It is possible, that if he has a high riding liver, that would indeed be the perfect place to get skewered--only having to miss the ascending colon.


Jeremy,

I believe that they are talking about the side to side skewering, as it is also refers to photograph showing this. It deals with the back to front skewering at another point in the article.

Best,

Tim
Message: Posted by: jeremysweiss (Feb 14, 2006 09:59PM)
I was thinking mid-clavicular line to mid clavicular line. You just can't go axillary line to axillary line. Too many things in the way. You could give that illusion, though as I outlined above. To me, he looks like he is going in front of the abdominal wall, staying in the fat (skinny as he is). The photos are just too small for me to really get a good look. Great act, though.

Anyone looking to try it, might want to get a CT scan first, to see what your best route would be. Although, I would have to have you committed to an institution....

I did have one young, highly pierced patient, who had appendicitis and developed an abcess. He needed multiple drains (tubes sticking out of him to drain his abcess). He was the only patient who actually "enjoyed" the procedure. I think he mostly got a kick out of showing off his drains. You know, someone would say "Hey, look at my Prince Albert" and he would say, "That's nothin', look at this", open up his shirt and reveal all of these tubes sticking out of him like some cyborg.

I also had one patient I didn't quite comprehend (actually, among many)her "fear". She too, had an abcess, that required placement of a drainage tube. (the ultimate in body piercing) and was all freaked out about it. We give lots of narcotics and benzodiazepines, so the patient is quite relaxed. Anyways, I scanned her first and the scan showed that she had her nether-region pierced. I thought, "You must be kidding me. She has that pierced and she is afraid of this?"
Message: Posted by: Tim Cridland (Feb 15, 2006 02:50PM)
Jeremy,

For a better idea of the location of the exit point go to this page
http://www.sapientia.ch/Kunterbunte%20Texte/Mirin_Dajo.htm
and scroll down to the middle photograph. This is a still from the Pathe' Newsreel.

Tim
Message: Posted by: jeremysweiss (Feb 15, 2006 03:25PM)
CRAZY. Totally CRAZY!--Probably the toughest way to make a living I can think of.

Best of luck to however trys this (please don't come to my ER).

The biggest question is: How did this guy first decide to try this? Did he wake up one morning and say, "Hey, I wonder what would happen if...". Was he skewered by someone else trying to kill him and he got up from his barstool and walked back over to the guy, saying "nanny, nanny booboo"? Was he lifting up a crate of swords and the bottom of the box gave way? What motivated this guy?
Message: Posted by: Howard Coberly (Jun 11, 2006 03:11PM)
C'mon, guys!!!!!!! You can see the thumbtip from a mile away !!!!!!!!!!
Message: Posted by: Trinket (Jun 12, 2006 08:57AM)
[quote]

I also had one patient I didn't quite comprehend (actually, among many)her "fear". She too, had an abcess, that required placement of a drainage tube. (the ultimate in body piercing) and was all freaked out about it. We give lots of narcotics and benzodiazepines, so the patient is quite relaxed. Anyways, I scanned her first and the scan showed that she had her nether-region pierced. I thought, "You must be kidding me. She has that pierced and she is afraid of this?"

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Since she was pierced in a warm, dark, moist area she may have had a bad experience with infection after the "procedure" and was afraid of going through something like that again... Or she just needs to get her priorities straight. Either way, this has been a fascinating thread.
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Jun 12, 2006 09:38AM)
Yes, penetrating thought.
Message: Posted by: jeremysweiss (Jun 14, 2006 11:33PM)
I have been doing a bit of research and am trying to get some of the medical papers regarding Dajo (which are written in other languages) translated. It has been very difficult so far--I am still waiting. Maybe I'll have it by The Gathering.