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Topic: Bob Little Super Sunday Nov 20th
Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael (Oct 25, 2005 06:43AM)
OK all you Northern East Coast Magicians, Bob Little and Mike Miller put togeter another Bob Little fantastic one-day convention.

Bob is getting up there in the years, he has no knowledge of computers, but boy can he work those beads on his Chinese Abacus. So go soon to one of these conventions because no telling how many years it may still be held.

Are you going?

See http://www.BobLittlesSuperSunday.com for directions.
Message: Posted by: yosef_dov (Nov 1, 2005 12:26PM)
So far I'm on track to be at this one... I might even be bringing some stuff for the auction, like a brand new Ultra Smoke 2000, and Peter Loughran's original Elevator and the book, etc.

Joe N
Message: Posted by: krisnevling (Nov 1, 2005 06:03PM)
I'll be there!!!
Message: Posted by: EddyRay (Nov 2, 2005 04:16PM)
See you there!
Message: Posted by: cruznbye (Nov 6, 2005 10:13PM)
I will be there too can't wait to meet everyone
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Nov 7, 2005 12:15PM)
I can't think of a better way to spend the weekend. I'll be arriving on Saturday afternoon. Hope to see all you guys there.
Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael (Nov 8, 2005 08:53AM)
I plan to be there.
Dennis
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Nov 8, 2005 07:32PM)
I will always be there as Long as Wuld Man Wild Bob Little is still having them. Bob is a great guy and this convention has always been so much fun over the years. I try not to miss any of them.

Bopb has also been very good with my SYM group and having special things for them and even allowing some of my students to perform in the evening shows over the years.

I will be there and will certainly look for you guys. If I do not recognize you, just simply stop me and introduce yourself. It would be a pleasure to meet and chat with you all.

Kyle
Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael (Nov 12, 2005 03:58AM)
Well, this week is the time to get your auction items for sale. Bob's Auctions are one of the best in the area.

Right now I plan to be there, providing there are no emergencies around the house.
Message: Posted by: nums (Nov 12, 2005 06:42PM)
I am planning on going....

NUMS
Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael (Nov 13, 2005 06:52AM)
[b]Survival Guide to Bob Little's Super Sunday[/b]

For those who haven't been there:

Get there early if you want a front row seat. People save them. There is usually a handicap section.

Get there early to look over the auction items so when it comes up for bid, you have put aside money for it. The Auction is a hit or miss, some items go very cheaply while others, well, bidding wars occur on really desirable products.

Have plenty of money, because there are up to 16 dealers, each really doesn't compete with the other dealers. The top seven have been to just about every one. Here are a list of some of the regulars..
[list]
[*] Bob Little's Guaranteed Magic (of course)
[*] Denny & Lee (Baltimore)
[*] Marty Martini
[*] Scott Correll
[*] Hank Moorehouse
[*] Fred Mitchell (Books, DVD & Videos- from NJ)
[*] Meir Yedid
[*] Jim McCarthy
[*] Ed White (Allentown)
[*] East Coast Magic
[/list]

Did I say take more money, Many times I run out of money at the auction. So many good items. (Know your prices, if if you don't ask the person next to you!)

If you plan to buy big, bring that Van, twice I loaded mine!

Bob offers Champange and his famous Chocolate, as well as cake. So your sugar really goes up!

Dinner is on your own, so ask early if you want to eat with some of the guests.

As for performers. Many times the performers are newcomers and really sharp, as well as some classics (Yes, seasoned pros) Most of the time the shows are really good as well as the lecture. (Very rare that something goes wrong). Mike Miller plans the shows and he is sharp in finding the right mix.

Please do socialize, this is probably what this Mini-Convention is about, getting to meet many new magical friends. I get to meet, Denny Haney (Puck He's getting married this week so he probably won't be there, Denny will be at that wedding, but the question will be will he miss Bob Little's event for the first time!), I get to meet Marty Martini, one of the sharpest card pros and historians out there, I get to see all the cool stuff Scott Corell has. Those comedy props that enhance the show for kids!

Well, Hope to see you all there!
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Nov 15, 2005 06:32AM)
Great review of the convention, Dennis. As a previous performer at Bob's, I can vouch for the variety of entertainers that Mike books. On the night we performed, there was a comedian, an international act, as well as Bob himself.

For just $35, this is one of the best one day events around.
Message: Posted by: MattWayne (Nov 15, 2005 02:25PM)
I'm a past performer at Bob's and I just fealt at home. Unlike any other convention. Even though my act wasn't like it usually is- people were very forgiving! Anyone who knows me knows I'm not a convention performer. Ha- but I enjoyed it entirely. Got critique and opinions. Some were valuable; some were 'eh what I'd expect. Got to meet a lot of old friends. Tony Spina was there- always a great guy; Capehart was also nice to see there. As well as some other notables. Hopefully will still be going on when I get back in the states in a few years! Best regards,

Matt Tomasko
Message: Posted by: nostrings (Nov 18, 2005 01:38PM)
Who is lecturing?

I'll be there anyone else going?
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Nov 19, 2005 08:44AM)
I will be there as I have not missed a Bob Little convention in years. I also will have a lot of my SYM kids there as well. It is a great way for them to meet other magicians and grow and learn. I hope to see you there and get a chance to talk with you all.

Kyle
Message: Posted by: EddyRay (Nov 19, 2005 09:40AM)
Hi Kyle,

I will also be there, are you brining any of your artwork? I am also hoping to have some more chat time with Kris Nevling. Hope to meet others there as well.

Should be a SUPER SUNDAY!
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Nov 19, 2005 03:46PM)
Hey there. Yes I will be there all day. I am not bringing my prints with me, however, I always carry my small portfolio with me incase anyone cares to check out my illustration or logo design work. That I will have with me. I will also be placing out flyers for our upcoming theater show "Fantasy of Illusion" playing at the Center for the Arts on Main theater in Quakertown. That is a show we are doing November 26th and I would like to give others the opportunity of checking it out if they would like. I look forward to seeing you at the convention tomorrow. It is always a good time.

Kyle
Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael (Nov 19, 2005 05:35PM)
Well, all appears to be well around my house, so I'll be there tomorrow (Sunday 11/20)

Dennis
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Nov 19, 2005 05:52PM)
Look forward to seeing you tomorrow Den. It should be a great time as always. Bob puts on a good party. hehe

Kyle
Message: Posted by: Glenn Watson (Nov 20, 2005 11:19PM)
Great convention ! This one had the best evening show of any I have attended.
There was a 12 year old girl who did a great dove act.The Magician from Fairbanks alaska
Has a hilarious act, I wont even attemptto spell his name.
Ths time 3 close up areas were added.I noticed for the first time no raffel took place.
The only thing that could have been improved was the lecture. It was good ,However the lecturer did the tricks from the lecture in the close up portion that preceded his lecture. It is my beliefe thay this detracted
from the impact and suprize of his lecture.
This is not to say the lecture wasn't good or well taught, but everyone saw the same tricks twice in 20 minutes.
Message: Posted by: dreid007 (Nov 21, 2005 12:30AM)
The young girl stole the show I was happy with her and chriss capeharts performances the rest of the acts were so so
Message: Posted by: krisnevling (Nov 21, 2005 02:32AM)
Just got home. 5 hour drive, but it was all worth it. I had a blast. Hope everyone like the shows.
Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael (Nov 21, 2005 05:34AM)
The Young Nelson girl was really good and showing a lot of promise for the future. If she got just a little professional training from a guy like Jeff McBride, she would top the charts for "Young Entertainer of the Year." She had form, looks, personality, skill and the audience loved her.

Yes, bob did have a drawing just befor the Auction, and I didn't win!

The auction did not have a lot of big stuff, but it did have a lot of videos for sales and grab bags (Boxes of mixed items). There was a couple of new entertainers who were buying up a lot of stuff. I wish them the best. They got some really great props for at least half of the original value.

During the lecture, there was a bit of talking in the back that made it difficult for some to hear the lecture. It was difficult to kept it down because so many were having a great time. It is such a nice social of magicians.

The best thing was meeting so many magicians from around the area, meeting Denny Haney, and Marty Martini because I don't get to see them that often anymore.

One of the great conversations was with John Bundy and Morgan on their Halloween Show in Missori. Morgan was telling me that their sponsor let them have free-rein and focus on an adult Halloween Show and not be constricted in what they did so they let all the good gory stuff loose. The buzz saw with spray jets of blood, and spray water toward the audience getting them to think they were getting bombarded with blood. That must of been really cool to see that audience reactions.

It was great seeing Kyle there and wer had some great conversations regarding Kids magic. (We do think alike here.) Some were excited aout this month's local KIDabra meeting related to developing school shows.

It just was a great time. I had a blast. Bought some new stuff mostly books. (Marty Martini card rising was just great so I got that too!)

Dennis
Message: Posted by: yosef_dov (Nov 21, 2005 07:00AM)
Greetings...

I was there and was looking to meet Dennis and Kyle but I never spotted you! Too bad we didn't have name tags at least... Kyle, was that your flier for an illusion show with another gent? I grabbed one of them... and I grabbed the Kidabra flier, although since it's on a Monday night I don't think I'll make it either...

And hey, Kris-- you were awesome with the cards (I was the guy wearing the black Starscapes hat). I would've like to see you give a lecture!

Unfortunately I didn't make the shows (I had to get up at 4:35 AM Monday)...

My auction stuff was the very last box, and they weren't all that enthusiastic at that point of going through another box-- several items they ignored completely (?), and a couple the guy picked up, said "I don't know this one" and threw it back in the box... one was Anton's Meeting Point Card Through Window, which I'm sure would have sold if anyone knew it was there! I also had a brand new ultra smoke 2000 unit and a Peter Loughran Elevator with book... oh well, I guess it's off to the for sale boards...

Joe N
Message: Posted by: krisnevling (Nov 21, 2005 10:59AM)
Maybe next year. I'm putting together a great lecture and hope you can make it.
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Nov 21, 2005 02:15PM)
Every year we all talk about meeting each other at Bob's and for some reason, we never all link up. I'm sure I passed most of you guys and probable even bumped shoulders.

I thought the lecture was lacking something. Maybe it was just because it was a series of effects shown one after the other rather than a planned lecture. It was Joe's first however, and it takes a lot of guts just to get up in front of a group of magicians.

Cherrie Nelson had some good moves for a 12 year old. I've been on that stage and because of it's size, it's difficult to really do your best but she handled it well. Her dad did mention that she's been performing since she was 4 and with that said, I think she should have been a little more polished than she was.

I enjoyed the comic from Alaska. There were several racial comments that I don't think would have been as successful had it not been that Chris Capehart was the MC and set the mood as only he can.

The illusionists, the Nelson's, started out OK with a theme to the broom suspension but then it just seemed like "let me show you another illusion". The music was overbearingly loud especially since they were talking at the same time. I don't think anyone past the first row heard anything that was said during the sub trunk. Speaking of which, timing is an essential part of the sub trunk and from my view point half way back, there was a moment when both of them were visible just before the switch. Kudos to them though for doing illusions of that size on such a small stage.

Noone does the rings like Chris Capehart in my opinion. As many times as I've seen him perform, I'm always amazed. What he does is impossible but then isn't that what magic is supposed to be?

All in all, it was a great day as always. Meeting new friends and talking to old ones makes it all worth while.
Message: Posted by: inidyls (Nov 21, 2005 03:10PM)
Can anybody here be honest with themselves. Super Sunday is getting worse and worse every year. I love Bob as much as everybody else but come on this convention was bad.

1. The auction was horrible, some people thought they were bidding on something else than gave back what they won, dvd's were auctioned with no dvds in the cases, and to top that the items that were auctioned were kind of lame or Hank rushes through everything.

2. The close up performers were good, actually real good but they had four at one time, there was no communication on - should the people move to the other tables or should the performers move to the other tables, so not all the performers were watched which was a shame because they were good.

3. The lecture was horrible, note he is good at close-up but his lecture skills were horrible. Halve the people got up and left. Not everybody in attendance can consume that much sleight of hand. A good lecturer will mix it up a bit.

4. admission - either lower the price for the acts he's been getting or raise the price and get better performers (or cut costs by not serving stale cake and 99 cent champagne)what about paying the money for two good acts instead of 5 bad acts. I went to a convention last week in reading and those guys put on a good convention, heck they have an all you can eat dinner included in there price and there covention is still cheaper than Bobs.

5. the dealers - the same dealers every year with the same old stuff, how about a change of dealers every now and then.

There's a lot more I can add but I won't.
And I have discussed this with Bob earlier but his reply is the cost of the room.
come on give me a break.
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Nov 21, 2005 04:40PM)
Well, first of all, you can't control what is in the auction. It's not a dealer showroom and people will try to get rid of almost anything.

As for items being returned, who's fault is that? The lady wasn't paying attention and bid on the wrong item. I think it was a good gesture to take it back and give it to the next bidder. As for the DVD's being empty, one of two things happened. Either the seller didn't look and believed the cases to have the DVD's in them, or he was trying to get away with something. I hope it wasn't the latter but I also hope that someone talked to him about it.

I too think they spend too much time on some items and not enough on others but they do have a time limit and try to get everyones stuff auctioned off. Sorting through "bags of stuff" and describing each item in the bag is a time consumer at every auction.

Again, the lecturer presented an unprepared lecture. He is accomplished at coin magic however, much of what he was doing is more advanced than the average magician sitting there has mastered.

Believe me, the fees paid to the performers is not that much. Lowing it would result in even worse acts. Bob tries to present a variety of acts and many times it's good exposure for new performers.

I think most attendees are looking for an evening show with variety. Limiting it to just 2 acts might not be the way to go. Mike Miller does a great job each year finding talent (or lack of talent some times)to make it different. One day conventions like Bob's and a few others are sometimes the only chance we get to see acts that aren't out in the foreground.

Advertising, performer fees and two hotel meeting rooms take a lot of money. The admission of $30 really isn't that far out of the norm.

Even though the dealers appear to be your best friend all day, they are there to make money. You're not going to get a dealer that has to travel a long distance to come to a one day convention if they think they aren't going to make a buck. There are the "old stand bys" that make the convention what it is.
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Nov 21, 2005 07:38PM)
I will absolutely agree that Mike Miller should be given an award for what he manages to bring to the even ing show on such a limited budget. He goes out of his way to bring talent to the stage with what he has to offer and I commend him for that. He is a true professional in every form of the word and strives to make Bobs convention as best as he can.

Joe:
I was looking for you as well and thought I had seen you but you vanished on me before I got a chance to get over there. Yes, the flyer on the table was one I designed myself for the full theater production show we are doing this coming saturday for the family crowd audience. We teamed up with another husband and wife magic team that we are good friends with, and Fantasy of Illusion should be a lot of fun and a great experience for us.

We would LOVE to have you come and see the show if you have the time. Shows are at 2pm and 7pm and will run about 90 minutes and will have an intermission as well.

Let me know if you are thinking of coming, and I will be sure to meet you before or after the show to shake your hand and such. My pleasure.

Kyle
Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael (Nov 21, 2005 08:55PM)
Mike Miller didn't book all the acts this year. Mike has going way out to make the show the best for the limited budget he has to work with.

For $30!!!! I bought one item at the auction and the value I save and the increased value of the purchase was double the admission price.

There was a lot of good stuff sold but you needed to know that in advance. A suggestion would be to do it like KIDabra. Display the auction lots an hour ahead of time and let everyone look them over before bidding. It would go faster because most would know what they wanted. No bags, open boxes.

Bob's Super Sunday, is a 12 hour one-day social where professionals can buy books, silks, new products, meet with Marty Martini, Denny Haney, Hank Moorehouse, just to name a few.

Wouldn't it be a perfect world if every show was perfect, every act was top knotch, we had Copperfield, Burton and McBride for the evening show.

The snack was good, the wine was gone, and the gatering of friends was really nice. I got to talk to so many, including, Bundy & Morgan, Dave Scribner
, Kyle, Ron Geffories, Chris Caphart, Rosie, of course Bob Little, Mike Miller, the Nelsons, and so many more local friends.

I had a blast watching this young man levitate himself up on a chair and then slowly float down. A great effect done many times for all to WOW over.

Part of me says Bob should raise his prices because it would eliminate the less serious attendees, and use the extra money to for higher priced acts. Every time I have attended, the money I saved or earned from the auction was more then entrance fee. I've even come home with more money then I went with and still bought stuff. $30 is really cheap!

The couple of high priced illusion items I bought in the past paid for Bob's Convention many times over. Its all in perspective of what one wants and is looking for at Bob's one-day magic social! To me he is undercharging!

By the way, my calendar is already marked for June 20th, 2006 for his next Super Sunday, and I really don't care who the acts are!

What price is worth professionals talking with professionals, getting tips and ideas from each other, laughing and just enjoying the day! (It's a lot different than the 3 hour monthly magic club.)
Message: Posted by: inidyls (Nov 21, 2005 09:52PM)
Dennis you make my point , raise the fee so only serious magicians go.
And I too agree with you on the auction to display the auction lots before hand.
I don't want any one to take me wrong about super sunday it just seems less work is going into it every year.
You can make the auction better
you can make the close up acts more organized so every one can see
you can put more time in finding better acts even if you have to raise the price.
and maybe switch up the dealers, I know politics is involved but at least get someone new in once in a while.
Message: Posted by: abra (Nov 21, 2005 11:07PM)
INIDYLS, I donít know if you were having a bad day and decided to go to Bob Littles and nit pick about everything that went on their but I do believe your out of place on some of your comments. I will agree that the items for the auction should be on display and hour before so people can have a look at what they might want to bid on this would speed it up a little and give everyone a chance to sell their lot. What I donít like was your comment about the lecture give him a break it was his first time in front of magicians at least he had the nerve to get up there and do it, he has to get his start somewhere, I am sure he will improve as time goes on.

I donít think the cake was stale I thought it was rather good, as far as the Champagne goes not bad, I really donít think the cake and Champagne is an issue here. Now as far as the acts go my Wife and I thought they were all very good and I know for a fact Mike tries his hardest to bring good acts to Bobís but he also gives some acts a little break into the Convention for a little exposure.

I do believe the Twelve year old Nelson girl was good how you could say the acts were bad so I guess Chris Capehart is horrible too, yes Bob could use a change in dealers and I will agree with you on that.

As far as the $30 price tag goes it was money well spent! For a day out with friends who I donít get much time to see because I am always on the road. And to just enjoy the Convention all together. This is my comments and opinion.

Magically
Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael (Nov 22, 2005 06:03AM)
By the way, Bob is in his late seventies, enjoy Bob's Super Sundays while they are around, becasue when the time comes, they surely will be missed!

I will cherish even a glass of "Ripple" with Bob, because the "Wild Man's" days are limited! He has a "big heart" and the "wisdom of age". He provides a service to an area with very little magic dealers, a fun time, and Hooters across the street!

The time will come when I will say, [b]"Do you remember those Super Sundays in PA that Bob Little hosted?"[/b]
Message: Posted by: inidyls (Nov 22, 2005 08:31AM)
[quote]
On 2005-11-22 00:07, abra wrote:
INIDYLS, I donít know if you were having a bad day and decided to go to Bob Littles and nit pick about everything that went on their but I do believe your out of place on some of your comments. I will agree that the items for the auction should be on display and hour before so people can have a look at what they might want to bid on this would speed it up a little and give everyone a chance to sell their lot. What I donít like was your comment about the lecture give him a break it was his first time in front of magicians at least he had the nerve to get up there and do it, he has to get his start somewhere, I am sure he will improve as time goes on.

I donít think the cake was stale I thought it was rather good, as far as the Champagne goes not bad, I really donít think the cake and Champagne is an issue here. Now as far as the acts go my Wife and I thought they were all very good and I know for a fact Mike tries his hardest to bring good acts to Bobís but he also gives some acts a little break into the Convention for a little exposure.

I do believe the Twelve year old Nelson girl was good how you could say the acts were bad so I guess Chris Capehart is horrible too, yes Bob could use a change in dealers and I will agree with you on that.

As far as the $30 price tag goes it was money well spent! For a day out with friends who I donít get much time to see because I am always on the road. And to just enjoy the Convention all together. This is my comments and opinion.

Magically

[/quote]


Abra , You just agreed with me on everything I just said believe it or not.
And I never wrote that Cris Capehart was bad. I think he's a great performer, my statement is I would rather see two or three very good acts instead of five acts which only 1 or 2 are reasonable/or mediocre.
and for the lecture if he is a amateur at lectures than he should be doing them for free, I pay to to see a good professional lecture. Again this is my whole point , Bobs convention is getting very weak.
Now like Dennis said he doesn't care who the performers are he just wants to meet and greet, that's fine,I'm all for that if you lower the price.
Everybody here just posted there displeasure with some part of the convention, all I'm saying is take that feedback and bring back the convention it used to be.
It's funny how everybody is agreeing with my statement but can't admit Super Sunday is going down hill.
Well since I'm on this kick right now I'll tell you what else I told Bob about the auction, What other auction do you go to where the auctioneer bids on an item to raise the price or even buy it for himself. Someone there said look at how hard hank works at Bobs auction, Does that mean the auction is great?
Message: Posted by: Steve Oxford (Nov 22, 2005 03:25PM)
I happen to know three different people who put on conventions, and all work very hard at making them attractive to the majority.
Sure there are some people who will not like one thing or another, but overall, the majority of the people will get a rounded convention, and that is the point.
If someone was to put on a convention with just say three big name close up guys, rent a room, advertise, etc. you better believe that your attendance price would be closer to $100 than $30. Now the problem with that is that magicians in general will not spend that kind of money, some will, but we are back to that work majority, and they will not.
Bob Little has a great one day convention for the price, and I will agree that sometimes some are better than others, but I'm like Dennis, I go to hang out with friends. To me $30 is not that bad, I would spend that on a date for movie tickets and popcorn and soda, so I can hang with it.
Keith Culver put on a great one day convention up in northern pennsylvania and brought in name people, and charged a low price, but guess what happened? he lost money each time, because there were not enough people to support it.
Martini runs a three day convention that has also lost money in the past, then he sought out sponsorship, and turned the whole thing around. The difference there was that he realized that there were not enough clowns to support a clown convention, and yet not enough magicians to support a magic convention, so he combined all entertainers and made it a variety entertainers convention. I have seen some really great acts there, just as I have in the past at Bob Little Super Sunday and keith Culver Magic Day.
But one thing is for sure, just as we are seeing magic shops closing and becomming a thing of the past, we will soon see conventions go that same route if they are not supported.
While this is just my two cents, I tossed it in since I did not make it to Bob Little's this time, but I made the one before and it was worth every penny. We can find fault with anything if we look hard enough, but once these conventions are gone, then what will we do????????
S.
Message: Posted by: inidyls (Nov 22, 2005 03:44PM)
Again, I agree $30 isn't bad for magicians to get together to swap stories but I'm talking about the overall convention with the activities and performances is going downhill, and on top of that you all agreed , you just didn't say it in the same terms I did. All I'm saying is be honest and stop playing politics.
Message: Posted by: nostrings (Nov 22, 2005 04:40PM)
I have to disagree with inidyls. I think the the more laid back way in which bob does things works better. I just attended metro magid two weeks ago and while it was great the only thing I didn't like is that they didn't foster a lot of sessioning and socializing, where as Bob does and it turned out great.


Adam Queen
Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael (Nov 22, 2005 09:23PM)
The real question is [b]"Why does one go to Bob Little's Super Sunday?[/b]

Is it for the Auction? Is it for the wine and chocolet? Is it to meet the dealers? Is it for the evening show? Is it to get away from the family? Is it to socialize with other magicians in the area? Is it to buy more magic we really don't need? Is it to say, I can produce a better Super Sunday? Is it to compare it with MAES, IBM, SAM, LV Shows, FISM, or other conventions?

What ever reason one goes, that's a personal choice. For years, when Bob was asked who is on the show, his typical response was, "Gee, golly...I don't know, go ask Mike Miller?" It really didn't matter to most of the members at IBM 6, IBM 165, & SAM4. We knew we were going just because he showed up at most every one of our club meetings. Always spoke kind words just about everyone, would do anything for anyone of us if asked. Supported and entertained us all. Many of us go JUST BECAUSE...

It's not about politics, it's not about whos on the show, it about BOB LITTLE. So many of us can list things Bob has done for use, on a personal level and professional level.

I'm absolutely sure, if you don't like Bob Little's Super Sunday, you will not be missed by the many who do. Bob has so many friends that he will still pack them in with his one-day convention, with the auction, non-competing dealers, social hour, dealer show, a lecture or two, and the evening stage show to round out a fun day with friends.

If quality shows is what you want, go to FISM. If its the Dealers go to LV. If its for friends being with friends, local magicians being with local magicians, well one make their decisions, based on what is meaningful to them.

I'll be there June 25th, 2006, and I don't care who is lecturing or who is on the show! If it's $30 or $50, it doesn't matter. One thing is absolute, I will have a good time and enjoy myself. Super Sunday is NOT going down hill, so please don't categorize me into that group.


PS...I pay $15 for a hair cut, $20 at the movies, $25-$35 for a steak dinner, $60-$90 to fill my van with gas, $30 for flowers for my wife, so Super Sunday for an all day event for $30 is really cheap for the 12 hours of enjoyment I receive. It's not perfect and neither am I
Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael (Nov 22, 2005 10:06PM)
Opps... Not June 20th but [b]June 25th, 2006[/b].
Message: Posted by: nums (Nov 22, 2005 10:44PM)
Inidyls, I tried a convention once and what a FLOP I had. 8 People in attendance and without the help of a few good friends, 1) Martini 2) Buck Clayton 3) Paul Trattner 4) Helene Schad and my wife I would have lost my A&& and if you knew me I do not have any to spare (stomache on the other hand is another story). Setting up a convention is not the easiest thing in the world to do and the only thing I can say to you is "WALK A MILE IN THEIR SHOES" .

I attend Martini's FUNARAMA and he is working prior to the current years convention for the following years. On many of the calls we have I hear behind the scenes stuff about acts that wont commit a year in advance as they have a quote out to a cruise ship or Branson. They want way to much money for what they do. but beacase people only see the income not the outgo they see much, money but in the end those who put on these events do it more to further magic than thier pocket book.

Even if you look that they make (just a number here) $5000.00 for the weekend it took them all year to make it.

My suggestion to you Inidyls, Start up your own and GOOD LUCK

NUMS
Message: Posted by: inidyls (Nov 23, 2005 07:23AM)
You guys crack me up, I never said it doesn't take hard work or Bob isn't a nice guy. So please don't put words in my mouth.
And Dennis please don't insult my intelligence and say there is no politics involved with super sunday or any other convention. I received 7 pm's on this post on either the politics or the convention going down hill.
And Dennis, Your comment about If I don't like Bob Little's I won't be missed, this also works the other way that's why the attendance is getting lower and lower every year, and if you can't see that your blind. Bob doesn't pack them in like he used too.
Again I love Bob like the next guy, he helped me out in numerous ways, but the truth is the truth. And I also told him my dislikes about the show And with my likes.
Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael (Nov 23, 2005 08:21AM)
Inidyls, Please enlighten me on the Politics, I must say I am naive on this. If you don't want to post it please PM me.

My comment about not attending was not directed at you, it applies to any convention. Quite simply, if one is not having a good time, then why does one go? If it has been going down hill, then why bother going? Most of the time, the attendees do not really know who is going to be the lecturer or in the show.

This was my first convention since Bob moved from the Hatboro area, and I don't see a decline in the numbers. Most of the seats were full, the room was longer, most of my friends that I see at every one of these conventions were there. Yes, I was asked why I missed the others and I missed because of other committments.

At any convention, based on the time of the year a 10% increase or decline in attendance is not an indication of success or failure.

A fact is every convention, there are likes and dislikes. If I wanted to, I could say since there was no children magic presented and I am not a finger flicker, I could look at this convention from that stand point and say it doesn't meet my needs.

The truth is on perspective, from my perspective, I had a blast, I spent about $120, and had lots of discussions on children magic, cool new magic, and mingled with lots of friends.

It would be a sad day, if Bob said, "I'm not going to run anymore conventions." So many would miss them.

I'm not one for personal attacks, and if you took it that way, I apoligize. What I do see is a difference in how one views this convention. It's the same with books, routines, show types, etc.

Dennis
Message: Posted by: ryansmagic (Nov 24, 2005 08:14AM)
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On 2005-11-22 23:44, nums wrote:

My suggestion to you Inidyls, Start up your own and GOOD LUCK

NUMS
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I did not go to this convention, I am just reading this thread and laughing....
that's a good quote. It's like saying I bought a car and did not like it, so maybe I should just try to make one myself and see if it is better.

Relax if Inidyls has a comment about how HE thinks the convention went who cares its his opinion, and you know what they say about opinion's......
Message: Posted by: MattWayne (Nov 25, 2005 02:03PM)
People have been saying that there is politics in setting up conventions- how about politics in this post and topic?

Wow gang- common now. He said she said. Playing a game of cat and mouse...

Personally I'd go as far to say that the way this topic has gone really nags at me and it's rather feeble of some on here to throw remarks out like they have been. Bob is a great guy. Older than he used to be- it happens. He didn't have to have this convention again. He doesn't have to continue it. Good friends tell me that
it won't continue much longer.

And the comments about Mike Miller- ha, gang there couldn't be a nicer guy out there! I thought that pointing fingers was rather looked down upon and considered childish. Yes? No? It's not his fault he has the budget that he does. And speaking as a performer that has been paid by him before- heck I was happy.

I was happy just to be there. I only went to see friends and meet some new ones. Where else can you find Den and Kyle Peron in the same room?!!

If this is the way adults act wow then I'd rather be ten again. Disappointing...

best regards (as always),
Matt Tomasko
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Nov 29, 2005 12:13PM)
Well let's see. For $30, you make one trip to see 9 dealers, have a snack, participate in a 3 hour auction, see old friends and meet new ones and watch a 2-3 hour show. This year we even got an added benefit of a close up forum. That sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

Like Matt, speaking as a previous performer, I have no complaints. There aren't many of these one day conventions around any more and we really should enjoy as much as we can while we can.