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Topic: Crystal Silk Cylinder help...?
Message: Posted by: Bryan Gilles (Nov 11, 2005 10:04PM)
I figured this would be the best area to ask about the Crystal Silk Cylinder! I really like the looks to the CSC sold on Duane Laflin's website. However, I want to make sure I am purchasing something in great quality and not just appearance... Any pros or cons? Would you recommend a different style? brand? etc...?

Message: Posted by: Ron Reid (Nov 12, 2005 06:44AM)
Hi Bryan:

I've only seen Laflin's CSC on their DVD catalog - it looks pretty good, but there are better ones out there. I've ordered quite a few things from Laflin, and I like them pretty well. I've come to expect good quality, but never great. So, I would expect the same with their CSC.

A beautiful one is made by Chalet Magic - I think it's just a bit over $100.00, too. Their link is http://www.chaletstephens.com/catalog.html

I noticed http://www.dazzlingmagic.com sells one for about $150.00, and it looks good, too. Personally, I don't like anything that has sparkle tape on it, but it is nicely done.

Lastly, if you want to go crazy, there is one at http://www.owenmagic.com - I don't know if they have the price listed, but I'm sure it's in the $300.00 to $400.00 range.

I hope this helps you - if I ever get a CSC, I'll go with the Chalet model.

Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Nov 12, 2005 10:48PM)

The Crystal Silk Cylinder is a great prop. I only have three of them for my uses!

Mine are all alike and were originally MAK. I use them to death in many ways. The MAK artwork is not my favorite and repainting is an easy job since only the dragon tube is repainted. Dazzling Magic has the prettiest ones I've seen and they are heavy plastic instead of metal. No doubt, they are worth the money. The MAKs do bend and break over time. (They also come apart in the car from heat!)

The reason I use what I do is because MAK has the "Additional red Cylinder" available. I would not want the prop without it. Without it you cannot show both the clear tube and the hollow tubes empty. You can only show one or the other. The extra tube is what sells the trick to the audience. I have done two national TV commercials over the years for Fortune 500 companies using custom props like this. I'm sold!

If I were starting over, I would like the ones from Dazzling Magic best IF (notice that word IF!) they can get the "Additional Cylinder" to go with it. You're dealing with good folks. I expect they would solve the problem, if they knew it meant "sale" or "no sale". Use two and you can do a transposition!


Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Nov 13, 2005 12:27PM)
I used a MAK Crystal Silk Cylinder for years, for a routine from my Christmas show. I even incorporated the tacky dragon stencil into my patter. :)

I also own a jumbo one made by MAK years ago. It has blue and gold diagonal stripes on the tube. Stands over 24" high.

BTW, even though I don't own the Dazzling Magic model (its been on my wish list for a while now, where I saw it at in Duane's catalog first, and then on the Dazzling Magic website), I think the CSC that Duane Laflin sells [b]is[/b] the Dazzling Magic one. I think they are one and the same prop.

They both look the same in the photos, they are both priced the same, and Duane does a lot of business with Marty Hahne. I think if you order directly from Marty, there are a wider choice of color options. They both have worked together to make a DVD specifically about use of this prop (I don't own this DVD either, just noticed it is a new addition to both of their lines).

Also, don't forget that Dazzling Magic sells some variations of the CSC, such as the Test Tube Bunny, and Dove to Rabbit Cylinder, etc. Those props don't have to be used for livestock exclusively.

- Donald
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Nov 13, 2005 09:47PM)
Absolutely. I use the test tube bunny for a 90" silk production to produce CEO all the time.

Marty's stuff is well made of a good gauge of plastic that will hold up.

Ron outlined the options well.

Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Nov 15, 2005 12:06PM)
Marty and Richard (also known as the Kent State gang) produce quality props.

Dazzling Magic's Chrystal Silk Cylinders belong on the "want" list. Tell Santa now! You know magicians have pull!

Good Luck!

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: Regan (Nov 15, 2005 12:35PM)
I just put in my request to Santa, Bob. I know you have some pull, so please put in a good word for me. I have been a go.........semi-good boy this year.


Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Nov 15, 2005 09:43PM)
Personally, I take the coal. It's going to be a cold winter.

Message: Posted by: Ron Reid (Nov 15, 2005 10:16PM)
I almost forgot that this summer I redid an old Mak/UF Grant Crystal Silk Cylinder. It was the two-tube method. If anyone is interested in seeing the photo, PM me with your email address and I'll send you the photo. It turned out real nicely - I was very pleased.

Also, I have an amateur website with photos of a few of my restorations. I have many more photos, but I put a few up. Here's my rinky-dink website:


Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Nov 15, 2005 10:51PM)

I took a look at you site. Thanks for the button. The items shown look good. Chalet uses that color blue on the things George makes for me. So you know I would approve! What kind of paint are you using?

The Balloon Buster is one of Lucy's favorite props. Sometimes I think she should write a book on 101 ways to use it. Not many people around here do use it.

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander

PS --- Regan, Santa has me on his list but you don't want on that one!
Message: Posted by: Brian Tanner (Nov 17, 2005 09:07AM)

Wow ! The props are gorgeous.Excellent job,sir!
Message: Posted by: Regan (Nov 17, 2005 09:32AM)
On 2005-11-15 23:51, Bob Sanders wrote:

PS --- Regan, Santa has me on his list but you don't want on that one!


I was afraid that might be the case!


Those look fantastic! Would you mind telling us what kind of paint you use?

Message: Posted by: Ron Reid (Nov 17, 2005 01:40PM)

Thanks for the nice words, guys! I have a ton more photos I'll put up on my little site real soon. It's just a little side hobby of mine. I'm real low tech; I use Krylon paint (enamel) most of the time. Other times, I used "Painter's Touch" from Home Depot.

Message: Posted by: Regan (Nov 17, 2005 01:56PM)
You're welcome Ron, and thanks for sharing. Looking forward to future pics!

Message: Posted by: Bryan Gilles (Nov 18, 2005 08:14PM)
Great advice to all!!! The Dazzling Magic CSC is exactly what I am looking for.. Now I have to get it approved through the finance department (my wife)...

Message: Posted by: Regan (Nov 19, 2005 08:26AM)
On 2005-11-18 21:14, SteelLuvMagic wrote:
Great advice to all!!! The Dazzling Magic CSC is exactly waht I am looking for.. Now I have to get it approved through the finance department (my wife)...


Good luck with that!
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Nov 19, 2005 05:20PM)
Regan, I'm with you on that one. That's often where the real magic is required!

Good Luck Bryan!

Message: Posted by: Regan (Dec 21, 2005 04:42PM)
Right Bob!

Can anyone give some specifics as to Chalet's Crystal Silk Cylinder? Colors available, size, etc...


Message: Posted by: GWSchott (Sep 4, 2006 10:41PM)
I just bought the Dazzling CSC at the Abbott's Get-Together, and it is absolutely amazing! I kick myself for not spending the extra money and buying it to begin with. First and foremost, the Dazzling model actually works. You don't have to worry about there being a little surprise waiting for you when you load it with silks, put on the cover, then remove the cover. I'm sure you know exactly what I mean. ;-) Plus, Marty & Brenda Hahne are absolutely fabulous people that definitely go the extra mile for their customers. While you're surfing their site, check out their Square Circle, too. It's equally well constructed.
Message: Posted by: Marvello (Sep 5, 2006 04:53AM)
I can also attest to the quality of the Dazzling Magic ( http://dazzlingmagic.com ) Crystal Silk Cylinder. A lot of thought went into the prop, and there are many details that make it better that I don't really want to discuss in an open forum, but let's just say that Marty Hahne thought of everything when designing their Crystal Silk Cylinder. The Chalet ones are nice, but from what I hear, the plastic will yellow and cloud up over time - that is not the case with the Dazzling Magic Crystal Silk Cylinders.
I also suggest getting the CSC DVD that Marty Hahne put out, along with Duane Laflin - there are lots of good routines and ideas on that DVD, as well. $149 may seem like a lot to some people to spend on a utility device like this, but it is worth every penny, and considering the quality of the prop and how long it will last, they should probably charge even more!
Message: Posted by: Regan (Sep 5, 2006 09:51AM)
I bought the Dazzling Magic Crystal Cylinder, also. I love it, and it does work flawlessly. It is very well constructed, and like GW said, Marty and Brenda are terrific. Marty answered every question I threw at him very promptly. I have heard that some do not like the prism paper finish, but it seems durable and looks magical to me.

Message: Posted by: algebraic (Oct 17, 2006 04:36PM)
I have Owen's version. It's beautifully made and works very well. It's well worth the cost.
Message: Posted by: abbascup (Oct 17, 2006 06:21PM)
I have Dazzling Magic's. They are awesome props. I love using them!