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Topic: Mark Mason's No Tear Kidz
Message: Posted by: Harv (Dec 18, 2005 08:21AM)
Does anyone use the No Tear Kidz effect in your birthday party shows and if so what kind of reaction you get?

Thanks,
Harv
Message: Posted by: Harv (Dec 18, 2005 02:10PM)
This must be a best seller!!! LOL!
Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael (Dec 18, 2005 02:18PM)
The No Tear gimmick is used for many other versions of magic not just the Birthday Party. I buy every one I can get at auctions just so I have extra.

I like it with Steve Taylor's Paper tear.
Message: Posted by: felix501 (Dec 18, 2005 03:53PM)
Anyone want to describe the effect?
Message: Posted by: Billy Bo (Dec 18, 2005 04:02PM)
http://www.JBTV.CO.UK ITS GOT A VIDEO IF YOU GO TO THE JB MAGIC LINK AT THE TOP
Message: Posted by: Harv (Dec 18, 2005 05:08PM)
Hi Dennis,
I have the No Tear newspaper, but have never really used it. The No Tear Kidz seems like a better idea for kids birthday parties. Also, I checked out Steve Taylor's site and couldn't find any info on his paper tear routine. He does have a book(let) about making your kidshow biz go ballistic that is now out of print. Perhaps it was included there.
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Dec 18, 2005 05:27PM)
Stevie: Thanks for the link. I have seen this done before, but I have not seen the kid show version of it. Nice idea and uses the same exact principle just by theming it towards the kid show crowd. It couldbe very funny if you have the letters and pronounce the leters wrong as the kids help you get them right.

Kyle
Message: Posted by: truconjurer (Dec 18, 2005 06:06PM)
I use the notear newspaper in my kidshow to great response the funny headlines always get laughs
Message: Posted by: p.b.jones (Dec 18, 2005 06:10PM)
Yeah, you show several seperate bits of paper are shown and a bigger bit of paper drops open with the small bits attached to the back! (which you can clearly see if you are not totaly blind. LOL
Message: Posted by: magic4u02 (Dec 18, 2005 06:32PM)
I have to admit I noticed that on the Kid version video demo reel. It was not as apparent in the newspaper version. I wasn't sure if it was just me or not, so I did not mention it. It did look like you could see the gimmick on the back and through the paper on the kid show version of the effect.

I still do the gene Anderson version asn I am a bit partial to it. Gene was kind enough to sit down and show me exactly how to make it and perform it and I just loved the effect. It takes a while and dedication to set it up, but I think my audiences are worth it.

I would , however, like to see these newer versions performed live so I could really get a closer look at how they appear in performance. I do not like to judge anything until I can really see it for myself.

Kyle
Message: Posted by: truconjurer (Dec 18, 2005 06:33PM)
PB if you alter yours like the anderson paper tear you can show all sides of the paper for your 20/20 audiences. the farsighted kids I do it for never complain
Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael (Dec 18, 2005 07:53PM)
It's hard to explain Harv, Regular sheet of newpaper is substiuted for the individual pieces, then in a regular sheet is the magnetic piece. You show and talk about articles you cut out then they are all back together.

In Steve taylor's Lecture Notes at KIDabra, he produced a newspaper with six routines printed within the newspaper. They are emotional stories and used as closers for your show. Very well done.
Message: Posted by: Andrew Mann (Dec 18, 2005 09:40PM)
I used to do this until one time I pulled a little hard and tore the end off a corner.

If you do buy it you may want to think about reinforcing it with some tape on the back of it.

Andrew :)
Message: Posted by: jskalon (Dec 18, 2005 09:55PM)
I just purchased and did this 2 weeks ago for 25 8yr olds at a BD party. Before I could finish the trick, the kids were yelling "It spells Happy Birthday". I hope I have room in "The Drawer" for it.
Message: Posted by: AndrewBarbour (Dec 18, 2005 10:47PM)
Jack - just because they know what is coming does not mean they don't like it. How was the reaction afterwards?

Start tearing a newspaper and the kids KNOW you are going to restore it. Bring out some rings - they are gonna link. But the kids love it.

Just me $0.02.
Message: Posted by: p.b.jones (Dec 19, 2005 02:33AM)
Start tearing a newspaper and the kids KNOW you are going to restore it. Bring out some rings - they are gonna link. But the kids love it.

Hi,
But with the rings they cant understand how they link or unlink with the newspaper logic says it has to be a duplicate paper . the only way in my opinion to make it more than how did he swap the bits for the whole one is if you can some how prove the paper is not a duplicate IE the osterlind version
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Dec 19, 2005 12:52PM)
But yet, Phillip, I have kids tell me all the time that I used glue or tape to restore it, or that I didn't "really" tear the paper. (When I perform Gene Anderson's tear).

Some might put it together (that there must be another paper involved), but some just guess at any method they can think of. It's all about how wrapped up in the magic moment they become.

I've even had adults try to bribe me to tell them the secret. $25 wasn't enough a few years ago! I'm holding out for at least $100 nowadays. Hehehe!

- Donald
Message: Posted by: honus (Dec 19, 2005 02:56PM)
[quote]
On 2005-12-18 18:27, magic4u02 wrote:
It couldbe very funny if you have the letters and pronounce the leters wrong as the kids help you get them right.[/quote]

I have the kids call out the letters, and name words that start with that letter (you know, educational value :goof:). Then, when I get to the "Y", I do the old bit:

"What letter is this?"
"Y!!"
"Because I asked you, that's why! Now what letter is this?"

Then I have them yell "Happy Birthday Muffy!" Which gets some strange looks if the birthday child is not named Muffy :rotf:. Anyway, I do the restoration as they yell, and have them give the birthday child a big hand. It's over too fast for them to suspect anything!
Message: Posted by: Harv (Dec 19, 2005 03:28PM)
I just picked one up. It could play well, and for the price if it hits the junk drawer, it's not a big loss.
Message: Posted by: truconjurer (Dec 19, 2005 08:17PM)
Harv if it ends up in your junk drawer it will be a big loss played right this is a great bit and resets ez don't let big posters like P.B. throw you off. done with a good routine kids love this both the news paper and the kidz tear

The Anderson tear is a must for adult shows but fr kids the no tear is always ready to go. I do 2 sometimes 3 bdays on Sat and Sunday and the no tear newspaper makes every show
Charles
Message: Posted by: jskalon (Dec 19, 2005 08:38PM)
Maybe I need to come up with a better routine and give the No Tear Kidz a fair chance. It sounds like a lot of you guys have had a good response with this.
Message: Posted by: flourish dude (Dec 19, 2005 09:59PM)
[quote]
On 2005-12-18 22:55, jskalon wrote:
I just purchased and did this 2 weeks ago for 25 8yr olds at a BD party. Before I could finish the trick, the kids were yelling "It spells Happy Birthday". I hope I have room in "The Drawer" for it.
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just because they know what the letters spelled does not mean they know you where going to put the pieces together. Some say this is better then tearing the paper up because if your tearing it up, it leads to restoring it. This does not say your going to put it together your just showing some letters then bam! It is togther.
Message: Posted by: p.b.jones (Dec 20, 2005 02:57AM)
Some might put it together (that there must be another paper involved), but some just guess at any method they can think of. It's all about how wrapped up in the magic moment they become.

I've even had adults try to bribe me to tell them the secret. $25 wasn't enough a few years ago! I'm holding out for at least $100 nowadays. Hehehe!


HI,
I can understand what you are saying but for me its not enough just for the effect to mean something to the few enthusiastic folk at your show if you are doing any torn and restored effect which does not involve a signiture or some sort of apparent proof that no duplicate is involved then some percentage of your audience are going to know that it is a duplicate paper. yes they might think its clever how you swaped it without them knowing or be impressed by the flash unfolding of the paper but people arnt stupid. I know an act that used to get a good round of aplause when he produced his big load from silks he thought he was going down really well , what he was actually getting the applause for was the impressivness of the final load and the relief of suspence of everybody wondering what it was he just picked up behind the silks!
Any way just my opinion for people to think on , you don't have to agree with me
Phillip
Message: Posted by: Donald Dunphy (Dec 20, 2005 11:18AM)
Phillip -

I see your point, but surely you must agree that even if you use a "proof of original item" or "a signature on original item", they are bound to think (if they really wanted to solve the mystery) that either (a) you didn't really tear up the original, or (b) a duplicate was involved, now with a duplicate signature. Most people just don't believe in real magic, when seen at a magic show. They know a secret is involved.

It might be a little more magical / higher impact to use "proof of original item", but sometimes when it is [i]too bulletproof[/i], they tend to want to think about the "how" too much afterwards. I'm not saying to make our magic weak, by any means. But I am saying that making it so that it "burns" the audience intentionally, can sometimes get in the way of them enjoying the magic for the entertainment value, rather than just the mystery value. That's why I don't use more than one sucker trick in a show.

Especially if a performer relys on the method too much, and doesn't combine it with an entertaining presentation. (Which I am not saying that you do.)

A great presentation must be a necessary element, not just a foolproof method.

Again, this is just my opinion, and I still hold high respect for you even if we differ.

- Donald

P.S. To keep this thread on track... T & R Newspaper is a restoration, but No Tear Kidz is a transformation. Different effects.
Message: Posted by: Harv (Dec 20, 2005 05:07PM)
Just a word of caution from ol' clumsy (that's me BTW). The No Tear Kidz banner is not Tyvec and will tear as I found out. When brand new the banner portion comes very compressed and is quite hard to initially unfold. Once you do get it unfolded, lay it face down with the folded corner at the top right and apply some transparent tape to the fold just to the left of the folded corner as this corner and the fold take the most stress when it is opened. Never ripped my No Tear newspaper, but the banner is heavier and stiffer than newspaper.

Harv
Message: Posted by: harris (Dec 21, 2005 11:33AM)
I have used the "no tear" newspaper since it came out.
This nearly normal guy has never seen the Mark Mason..No tear kidz...

Thanks for providing a link. I will check it out.

The only "negative comment" (from the news paper restoration) I have received was from a judge in a local magic club contest. I used it as part of a routine, "What if Clark Kent, mild manner reporter for the Daily Planet, was a Magician."

It seems to play well with my audiences. It is used in my Mother Martha character.

Be safe, well and creative.


Harris