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Topic: Why does most mentalism take SO long?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Dec 21, 2005 04:00PM)
How long does a mentalism effect HAVE to be? I mean man watching some of the remote viewing going on in these threads it seems as if mentalists think that the LENGTH of time spent to do the effect helps.

My question is if that is true? I feel a LOT of mentalism suffers from this exact problem in my opinion. The audience is lost and bored long before the cool ending.

So how long does it have to be to be effective?
Message: Posted by: chichi711 (Dec 21, 2005 04:04PM)
I like to keep all magic short and sweet. Hit them in the mouth and don't give them a chance to think to long. Unlike these RV tests :)
Message: Posted by: mike89 (Dec 21, 2005 04:10PM)
To create a realistic effect of discerning a thought, considerable time does have to be spent i.e. plucking letters from their mind or gradually forming a picture from general colours on to the finest details. However not too long, as you said yourself. However instant answers can also have a great effect. If performed properly they can get a "bullet in the head" type-reaction. Check out Richard Osterlind's MM. All of his thought discerning is quick-fire and gets great audience and participent reactions.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Dec 21, 2005 04:14PM)
Yea I feel most guys simply let it go way too long is all
Message: Posted by: Snail (Dec 21, 2005 04:15PM)
Look at the second chapter of Henry Hay
Message: Posted by: Scott Xavier (Dec 21, 2005 04:19PM)
Have you ever seen good mentalism?
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Dec 21, 2005 04:20PM)
Max Maven states in Prism that as a general rule it's better to get to the end quicker.
James
Message: Posted by: chichi711 (Dec 21, 2005 04:23PM)
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On 2005-12-21 17:10, mike89 wrote:
To create a realistic effect of discerning a thought, considerable time does have to be spent i.e. plucking letters from their mind or gradually forming a picture from general colours on to the finest details. However not too long, as you said yourself. However instant answers can also have a great effect. If performed properly they can get a "bullet in the head" type-reaction. Check out Richard Osterlind's MM. All of his thought discerning is quick-fire and gets great audience and participent reactions.
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You can keep it going a little longer in this type of example. As long as each time you reveal some little piece of the puzzel it keeps the audience on the edge of there seats.

From what I have seen few entertainers can accomplish it. They might think they can, but most of the time they can't. I like short and powerful, because I don't think I can keep them on the edge of there seats for 10 min's.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Dec 21, 2005 04:43PM)
Consider Max a good mentalist.......so yea I have seen good mentalists.....

my experience with others is really boring, which is why I ask the question...

I found Larry Becker pretty boring too.....
Message: Posted by: Memory-Jah (Dec 22, 2005 06:44AM)
I think mentalism doesn't work without a good presentation. it doesn't really count how you did that. you have to sell it very good. and a good presentation and so on cannot be done like a cloror change in card magic.
but I remember on one osterlind tape, I think it was etmmm 1 he uses a quick opener with a smami gimmick. I think it depends on the situation and the thing you want to present.
Message: Posted by: salsa_dancer (Dec 22, 2005 08:31AM)
It takes so long because we are rubbish magicians. It takes me 4 minutes to get ready for a double lift.
Message: Posted by: entity (Dec 22, 2005 08:36AM)
Faster doesn't always mean better, Danny. Ask your girlfriend.

- entity
Message: Posted by: Richard Osterlind (Dec 22, 2005 08:43AM)
Dannydoyle,

If you are talking about a complete performance or mentalism "show", there should be "variety" and different emotions which enter into all of it. To have a good mix of effects will keep the performance from getting boring. One effect might be quick fire, whereas another might take awhile to set up and complete. To just stick with one or the other will get tiring and boring.

I have found that most people want a one hour performance. If all you did was quick paced numbers, you would need a huge amount of material to fill that one hour and the audience would be likely to get tired of that break neck speed. On the other hand, if everything you do is long and drawn out, you will soon see yawns! Also remember that it is just not the effects, but the "bits" and your personality that have to be considered as well as the material.

I hope this helps.

Richard
Message: Posted by: chichi711 (Dec 22, 2005 09:09AM)
Well said Richard. I always look forward to reading your insight.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Dec 22, 2005 09:29AM)
Richard thank you, you are I assume speaking of PACING a show and I feel your right

problem with many mentalists is that they have very poor pacing

I guess my problem is seeing too many one trick mentalists who want to try to draw out what happens in the name of suspence and end up teetering on boring

of course this can be said readily of card and coin guys as well

Perhaps directing the question at mentalism spacifically was a little out of line