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Topic: Hand locking problem
Message: Posted by: howdoidisconnect (Jan 12, 2006 07:20AM)
Ok why am I having problems with this. I am able to do the 'fall backwards and forwards' with subjects and also am able to anchor a touch with sensations . i.e touching the subjects shoulder to envoke a cough or a certain taste etc. But for the life of me I can't get the locked hands to work. I have been working with the ormond mcgill book "the new encyclopedia of stage hypnotism" and pointers would really help

regards

steve
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jan 12, 2006 05:57PM)
Try some other descriptions of the effect
Message: Posted by: Partizan (Jan 13, 2006 10:50AM)
Just suggest that the hands lock. If this fails then your subjects are less suggestive then usual.
It may be the method of priming that you use or the way in which you impliment it is flawed.
Message: Posted by: howdoidisconnect (Jan 13, 2006 11:46AM)
I have been using the script in ormonds book. is there some other referencee I could read on this to try another method?

regards

steve
Message: Posted by: Partizan (Jan 13, 2006 12:15PM)
What I meant was, it might be the strength of your conviction when implimenting the material.

If you have concerns about what you are doing then this may show through. If you don't believe it then how do you expect your subjects too believe it.
Message: Posted by: Daniel Santos (Jan 13, 2006 03:40PM)
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On 2006-01-13 13:15, Partizan wrote:

If you don't believe it then how do you expect your subjects too believe it.

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Absolutely right..."Confidence begets confidence." That's the way I've learned and remember.

Check out Jonathan Royle's vids. at http://www.hypnoshop.com .
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jan 13, 2006 03:47PM)
Man I hate it when someone asks for advice and they get a comercial for a link to Royal... should be a rule against it.!

something that may help is to stress the pushing of the hands up, this is what helps to lock them together in the first place, if you are doing the over the head thing I am thinking of that is, if not then disregard.

Confidence is actually the key to any suggestion. If your not confident in you then well quite frankley neither are they. It is as much a test of YOUR ability as it is their suggestability.

Try starting with the magnetic fingertip thing first, then move to the hand locking, once it works with the fingers, (which it has to as it is a physical reality NOT a suggestion, although you pass it off as one) then you and they may have more confidence in you as a hypnotist and suggestion giver.
Message: Posted by: howdoidisconnect (Jan 13, 2006 11:29PM)
That's was extremly helpful thank you. its kinda funny the linking of a touch to a sensation is fine, and I do have plenty of confidence at that, but the hand locking thing, hmmm your right, I am a little unsure about, I guess this is showing thru, I wasn't doing th hand locking effect over the head I was doing it outstreach in front of them. Does this mean the above th head technique is alittle easier?
It sounds like my confidence as pointed out may well be the problem here.

Regards

steve
Message: Posted by: Daniel Santos (Jan 14, 2006 02:52PM)
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On 2006-01-13 16:47, Dannydoyle wrote:
Man I hate it when someone asks for advice and they get a comercial for a link to Royal... should be a rule against it.!

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I'm sorry about that...lol I don't have any experience with other videos, and I like his explanation of the hand lock tests (sure as heck helped me out). lol I'll remember to not do that again.


Dan
Message: Posted by: Daniel Santos (Jan 14, 2006 02:59PM)
Howdoidisconnect:

I like it better when the hands are above the head, as it tires their arms rather quickly when they keep pushing upwards.
Message: Posted by: Daniel Santos (Jan 14, 2006 03:11PM)
Wow....I just searched the Caf. and found out why Royle's frowned upon. Man...I have to do my research next time LOL.

Disregard that first post I made :-P.
Message: Posted by: MAGICofSeth (Jan 14, 2006 03:42PM)
I tell the subjects to really feel their fingers pressing against the backs of their hands. Pressing so hard, becoming like one, like on solid piece, one solid piece... I really emphasize the unity and pressing of fingers. Seems to work for me!
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jan 15, 2006 09:59AM)
Royel is a salesman Dan sorry
Message: Posted by: howdoidisconnect (Jan 15, 2006 11:21AM)
Some great advise, it is certainly helping



steve
Message: Posted by: MagicalPirate (Jan 15, 2006 06:25PM)
You don't give them any option other than success.

The more you try to pull your hands apart the tighter your fingers will become. You can try to pull your hands apart but you can't. Go ahead and try but you can't. Try is a psychological failure word. I have done this one to the point that participants hands were turning red they were so welded together. Make sure you use proper suggestion phrasing and you should be able to succeed as easily at this as any other pretest.

Martin :pirate:
Message: Posted by: Daniel Santos (Jan 16, 2006 01:37PM)
MagicalPirate brings up some good points:
1.) There are negative and positive suggestions. "Always aim to make your suggestions positive."
and
2.) Coue's Law of Reversed Effort helps a great deal. Do some research and you can probably increase your success rate.

Thanks for that.