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Topic: Striking Vanish
Message: Posted by: Cody Fisher (Mar 20, 2006 08:44PM)
I have been working on the striking vanish, particularly for Gregory Wilson's Recap routine and I have had a hard time with it. I have practiced it for many hours, but it still always seems obvious that I take the cap into my hand. I've tried dropping the hand more, making it quicker, tossing it a bit, but nothing seems to make it run smoothly. What makes the vanish work better? Any help would be appreciated.

Cody
Message: Posted by: RevJohn (Mar 21, 2006 10:38AM)
Have you attempted to perform the Striking vanish for someone who doesn't know about it yet? David Williamson points out that this is one of those moves that just doesn't look good to the performer. Every single time I do it, it is SOOO obvious to me what I am doing, yet if I hit it, the spectator's eyes just bug out.

It is great. This is not in the category of "You will fool yourself!"

However, if you want some great tips on this vanish, pick up David's DVD Magic Farm, where he spends some time on this.

RevJohn
Message: Posted by: Cody Fisher (Mar 21, 2006 11:06AM)
Yes, I have performed it a couple times to laymen, and have gotten caught, and worked on it a lot more. However, I have never actually seen Williamson's work on it so I should check that out.
Message: Posted by: Josh the Superfluous (Mar 21, 2006 11:52AM)
I agree with the rev. Try practicing to video. I've never been caught, but it always looks very fake to me. I think the combination of motion and the unlikely use of the wand hand throw laymen off.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Mar 21, 2006 12:08PM)
Listen to the video. Then watch it again. Then listen to it again. Then watch it again.
Message: Posted by: Cody Fisher (Mar 21, 2006 03:25PM)
Thanks for all the help.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Mar 21, 2006 06:44PM)
Hint:

This was originally done with a ballpoint pen. You might be more successful with a shorter wand at first. Dave Williamson told me this a long time ago.
Message: Posted by: stevenamills (Mar 22, 2006 09:00AM)
To me, David Williamson is the finest magician I have ever seen - taking everything into consideration. Here, in his words, is what he said on the Café:

"The striking vanish is kind of cool and when I was a young hot shot I did all kinds of things with it for the other magicians. Working for real people all these years has softened my opinion about the move. I mean, your just tossing it into the other hand and quite often, that's what it looks like!"

Bill's advice of using something shorter is what Dave seems to emphasize. He even does it with a coin purse.

In any case, I think it is more of a throw away flourish than a great moment of mystery.

sam
Message: Posted by: Cody Fisher (Mar 22, 2006 11:45AM)
When you guys mention doing it with something shorter, what do you mean? Right now I am attempting to do it with a bic pen, as used in Gregory Wilson's routine. Thanks for the help.

Cody
Message: Posted by: John Bowlin (Mar 22, 2006 11:46AM)
Noone mentioned angles here but I feel they are quite important with this effect. It is an effect I only perform for a few people when I can control the angle of vision. If you can, try shooting video of the effect at various angles and you'll see what I mean. Certain angles combined with proper timing really look eye popping. You also mention having practiced this for hours. Before I had what one would consider a presentable effect I had practiced for days...and days...and days...
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Mar 22, 2006 02:00PM)
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On 2006-03-22 12:45, codysf wrote:
When you guys mention doing it with something shorter, what do you mean? Right now I am attempting to do it with a bic pen, as used in Gregory Wilson's routine. Thanks for the help.

Cody
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The Bic pen should work fine.
Message: Posted by: pepka (Mar 22, 2006 02:49PM)
I hate the way most people do this move. When it's used with a wand for c&b, I don't see how anyone can be foold with this. I only do it casually, maybe for a child if I don't have anything else appropriate for them. I use the coin in pencap, but hold the coin at the fingertips between thumb and middle finger. I really don't' know if I saw someone else do this or came up with it myself.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Mar 23, 2006 11:40AM)
In David Williamson's Magic Farm Video, he mentions he never explained the actual move to accomplish the Strick Vanish. He explains the correct method in this video. Makes more sense, and may even help you be more successful in learning it.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Mar 23, 2006 12:40PM)
He never explained it in print, but he did explain it during his lectures. This is probably why he explained it in his video.
Message: Posted by: drwilson (Mar 23, 2006 01:40PM)
I just saw someone in our I.B.M. Ring do this with a thin ribbon, held as a short loop, and a small Chinese coin in the other hand. This is half of what was necessary to link the coin onto the ribbon visually. The distances involved were about ballpoint-pen distances. He is vey practiced, and it was really clean.

This is from [i]Destroyers[/i] by Troy Hooser, I believe.

Yours,

Paul
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (Mar 23, 2006 02:09PM)
I've noticed that it helps to have the hand that holds the wand lower than the other hand. The movement of the hand being struck should be no more than a slight anticipatory flinch - but that flinch can still carry a lot of force.

The struck hand moves away from the other hand, sliding along the length of the wand, and the force of the strike should be light. I worked on it for years and am more comfortable doing it with a footlong wand. I just think it's more difficult, to create a big enough perceived separation of the hands, with a short wand.
Message: Posted by: Cody Fisher (Mar 23, 2006 04:04PM)
What exactly do you mean? You mean the hand with the wand starts out below the other hand and then jerks up?
Message: Posted by: MoonBeam (Mar 24, 2006 07:41AM)
Jay Sankey goes over this move on his '45' DVD.
Message: Posted by: Cody Fisher (Mar 24, 2006 09:05AM)
He also goes over it, not in detail, in his Leaving Home routine. But seeing as I didn't want to use leaving home, I never learned it then. Recap is a great routine and I've mastered all of it except for the vanish.
Message: Posted by: DanielCoyne (Mar 24, 2006 09:09AM)
Is there a free video clip of this move (any decent striking vanish)being performed online somewhere? I'm not sure I'm visualizing it correctly.
Message: Posted by: Cody Fisher (Mar 24, 2006 11:50AM)
Yeah. If you can find a demo clip of Jay Sankey's Leaving Home, it would show it there.
Message: Posted by: Christopher Moro (Mar 25, 2006 01:41AM)
Good advice all around. It is a difficult move. I really think this should be in Secret Sessions, but...Try this: The fingertips hold onto the pen cap...at the same time that your wrist begins the slight jerking motion, also bend your finger in/down towards the palm of the hand. Do this very slightly, then...at the exact same time that your wrist sends the cap on it's way, straighten the fingers and release. This will double the velocity of the pen cap without having to really throw the thing. Might help it be more invisible. I do something similar to this when doing the vanish in a C&B routine.
Message: Posted by: Jaz (Mar 25, 2006 08:03AM)
With a pen cap held at the fingertips you can use a sort of Pumpkin Seed Vanish to project the cap.

After a lot of practice the vanish from the palm, or fingertips, becomes almost a Zen type thing and movement should lessen. Rather than striking I find that waving the hand over the object can also be effective.
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (Mar 26, 2006 06:21AM)
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On 2006-03-23 17:04, codysf wrote:
What exactly do you mean? You mean the hand with the wand starts out below the other hand and then jerks up?
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No. Gravity helps to carry the object. The hand holding the wand doesn't move closer. If anything, the hand that held the object to vanish moves away from the hand holding the wand. A slight flinching of the hand provides some propulsion.