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Topic: The most disturbing trick
Message: Posted by: Florian Rago (Dec 2, 2002 01:51PM)
In your opinion what are the most disturbing bizzare tricks. (I have a few friends who think magic is rubbish unless it's spooky!) :goof: So a few routines would be great.
My most disturbing is my own routine featuring a moving glass and a circle of tarot cards and that age old friend of bizzarists, DEATH


Message: Posted by: roguemagic (Dec 2, 2002 02:59PM)
One of the strongest effects that I have used is from Michael Sibbernsen's: Enigmas--Knowledge From Fire. I have used it numerous times in my seances, to "set the mood," and there has always been a dead silence resulting. A true compliment to it's effectiveness.

Take care
Message: Posted by: mystic1 (Dec 2, 2002 07:32PM)
"The most disturbing bizarre tricks" are those bizarre effects performed by conventional magicians. These are truly disturbing.

Also disturbing is any reference to such effects as "tricks."
Message: Posted by: Dr.Morton (Dec 3, 2002 03:41AM)
How about this presentation to have a real disturbing bizzare effect:

1. Read out some parts of John S. Marr`s "Wormwood". If you know the book, you will know the right parts.
2. Perform the "CupOodles" routine. Use an earthworm instead of the ring and maybe a yogurt cup instead of the noodle cup.
3. Now comes the disturbing part - explain how the trick works. I guess a lot of poeple in the audience will start to buy only canned products in the future.
Message: Posted by: Marduke Kurios (Dec 4, 2002 03:00AM)
Depends what your definition of disturbing is.

And where do you want to go with your audience? On a visceral level: pulling a worm from your food or your ear is fun; ye old crusty, Gypsy Finger on a pull while eating finger foods is tasty.

Take a little off the top with a barber's Razor in the Arm ala Andruzzi (same with knives and needles); Needle thru Your Neck ala P., or, for your more intimate performances, a handy pocket trick: Sewing Needle thru Finger.

ATTENTION: The Psychic Surgeon General warns encrypted patients: A chicken liver in the hand is worth two in the coop.

How about a Fork in Your Eye ala Mac King or Penn & Teller (It's probably older than that. I know, some guy 3000 years ago was doing it with grapes!)

Threaded Needles/Razors from Mouth really upsets the dentists in the crowd. (Who does broken-teeth-on-floss-from-mouth anymore? Ahhh, the good old days.) Pencil thru Tongue is great for math teachers!

Somehow, I really like the idea of Butter Knife Roulette.

Oh ya, check out Werewolf by David Parr in Brain Food. It's really (sc)hairy!

My favorites to this day are Voodoo Blister, Finger Chopper and ANY 'REAL' MINDREADING DEMONSTRATION. Now that's disturbing!

Message: Posted by: Peter Marucci (Dec 4, 2002 04:35AM)
There seems to be a problem here distinguishing between "disturbing" and "gross".

Bizarre should touch the audience at a higher emotional level.

Not make them want to barf!

In that regard, I would suggest my own Tale of the Monkey's Paw, based on the short story by W. W. Jacobs (in my lecture notes, Bizarre Magic) and my yet-to-be-released Curse of the Baskervilles, based on the Arthur Conan Doyle story The Hound of the Baskervilles.
Message: Posted by: Marduke Kurios (Dec 4, 2002 04:44AM)
Hehehe. Effect IS everything. Sorry to effect anyone negatively. I wasn't suggesting you do it all at once...just shades of Halloween still lurking about.

Message: Posted by: Dark illusionist (Dec 4, 2002 04:49PM)
Hey mistic one, you just remended me of how much I hate the word trick. I saw a magician when I was on vacation this summer that refered to everything he did as "a great trick" or "your gona love this trick" it made me want to puke. Sorry everybody I just needed to get that out of my system. :smiles:
Message: Posted by: tiptophat (Dec 5, 2002 05:13PM)
One of the most disturbing effects I have seen done in a small gathering is the prediction of the death of a living individual.
Message: Posted by: bigplumbz (Dec 6, 2002 01:59PM)
Needle thru Your Neck ala P., or, for your more intimate performances, a handy pocket trick: Sewing Needle thru Finger.

needle through finger eh? hmm.... I just had an idea of how I could work this into an existing effect can anyone tell me details of where this effect is available please?
Message: Posted by: midnightmjb (Dec 7, 2002 05:04AM)
Possibly the most disturbing illusion I ever saw was performed by a friend of mine Alexandre Domonge. He took us to a local church cemetary one afternoon, and said that he had found an old relative in the Public Record Office. Anyway, he took us to the site of this boy who had supposedly died at age 15 in a cave-in of a coal mine. Anyhow, he continued to tell us this 'story' and there was scratching in the earth, as though someone's nails were clawing from underneath the dirt. We could all hear quite clear noises that sounded like scratching on wood. He acted very frightened and we all left. It wasn't til weeks after that he told me it was part of a new effect he'd been working on. He never did let me in on that one, though.
Message: Posted by: Doug Byrd (Dec 7, 2002 01:19PM)
Ah Raising the Dead. It's a neophyte level effect. Now walking on water that takes some time to get right.
Message: Posted by: Bill Fienning (Dec 7, 2002 03:19PM)
Jim Magus' "The Number of the Beast" is certainly disturbing to conservative Christians. It involves the exorcism of the spirit of Aleister Crowley from a tarot deck. The routine appears in "The Arcana of Bizarre Magic" by Magus. (The tarot deck is contained in a hollowed-out bible.)

It inspired my to develop "The Exorcism" which is even more disturbing than the original. (I have not yet published it. Although I performed it at a Weird Weekend several years ago.)

I differentiate between disturbing effects (that cause an emotional reaction in the audience) and disgusting effects. I avoid the latter. However, there is a genre of carnival act that specializes in the latter. I would include Blockhead (the nail up the nose) and eating a glass light bulb in this catagory. Blockhead is safe if you know what you are doing. Glass eating is dangerous even if you do know how to do it.
Message: Posted by: Sid Mayer (Dec 7, 2002 04:26PM)
Blockhead, eating glass, penetrating body parts, etc. is bizarre ... but it is not bizarre magick. Weird is not enough.

Bizarre Magick can be disturbing to the emotions. It can also be sentimental, funny or simply mysterious.

It's all about atmosphere and story telling. Have you noticed that most of the profuse users of stage blood are too young to know any better?

To get an idea of "real" bizarre magick, read Doc Shiels, Tony Andruzzi, Brother Shadow, Eugene Poinc, Eugene Burger and other thinking practioners.

Message: Posted by: bigplumbz (Dec 8, 2002 09:14AM)
Does anyone know where I can get the needle through finger efect?
thanx in advance
Message: Posted by: samthemagical (Dec 8, 2002 12:43PM)
I perform a variation of "Everywhere and Nowhere" (See 'The Art of Magic' by T. Nelson Downs for two good methods) with a tarot deck. I use a patter (throughout the whole routine) based on the Australian Dreamtime. Really seems to hit people, make 'em think.
Message: Posted by: Caleb Strange (Dec 8, 2002 05:11PM)
I'd never do this myself, nor do I encourage others to do it, but a curse and some sheenanigans could turn a spectator's 'water' blue.

It'd certainly disturb me!
Message: Posted by: Sid Mayer (Dec 8, 2002 07:33PM)
Of course, if your interest is in disturbing your "victim," you could try muttering "oops" while performing psychic surgery.

Sid :rotf:
Message: Posted by: Marduke Kurios (Dec 9, 2002 06:30PM)
Good one Sid! :rotf:

Imagine a psychic surgery ring flight or card location... :firedevil:

Can you tell I have too much time on my hands?

BTW - Needle thru Finger/Hand/Arm etc. can be done with a special needle. PM me for more details.
Message: Posted by: Michael Graves (Dec 10, 2002 02:53PM)
An effect I do.

I bring a small group out to a graveyard near my house and talk about the peopel who have died there (took a bit of studing but well worth it) I move to an unmarked stone with just a date. Then I have the person take a piece of paper and wrtie a persons name who they lost. I take the paper and do a tear...then using my hand a pick up some of the dirt which before I showed up I added small bits of flash paper and a green coloring crystals you can use in fires...The paper is burnt in a small pan and the bits added to the dirt I picked up before...as the spectator mixes up the dirt and paper I step back and tell them that the one who wrote the message can be the only one there..in the prosses of the steping back I can prepare the arm...the spectator lights the dirt and the green flash is quite amusing to watch..I walk back over and ..long story short do the ashes on arm to show the name...gets a good reaction, I had one girl break down into tears with pure emotion...it pleases me to bring the emotion to people. :bat:
Message: Posted by: m@t (Dec 12, 2002 03:43PM)
This isn't really a trick but occasionaly I have felt like scaring a friend so I take him or her to a bar with candles on the tables.

In the bar I excused myself to the toilet and there i dip my index finger in rubbing alcohol. I quickly go back out to my friend and blow out the nearest candle. Both times i have done this my friend has said; "Why did you do that."

I just shrig my sholders and put my finger in the flame of another candle. My finger sets on fire and i relight the candle with my burning finger. Trust me- its a good effect.

Just dont burn yourself. You can only have your hand flaming for a few seconds before it begins to hurt! :lol:
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Dec 22, 2002 03:05PM)
Truly disturbing approach imo.
Any effect where you produce a totally unexpected result that even you seemingly did not prepare for. Simply put, like something went wrong and took a turn for the worse.
Example, right in the middle of stopping your pulse, faint. Just drop to the ground. [Be careful where and how you fall of course!] You'll get some of the drama DB got from pulling his heart out.
Or cough out blood after doing the razor blade swallowing effect(!).
Careful though, you might induce real panic from the audience members! :verysad:

Perform at your own risk and discretion. :verysad:
Message: Posted by: dpe666 (Dec 22, 2002 08:23PM)
I scare the HELL out of my audiences with my own Mark of Abigail. If you have my Mind Control video, you know the effect, but not the actual presentation. :devilish:
Message: Posted by: RandyStewart (Dec 25, 2002 03:00PM)
Watching a clown at a children's b-day party do Linking Rings with a real nice set of 10in. rings.
"One, two, three separte rings".....*clink* *clank* *clink*

"Hey ho! linked!"

(Audince totally disinterested. B-day boy brooding over number of gifts, a screamin' child insisting he wants to "share" some of the gifts)

*clink *clank!* *clink *clunk!* *clink!*..(those thrasin' rings can get very loud in the wrong hands ya know)

"Hey ho!linked again......!"

(Parent in background spakin' a child that had gotten on everyone's nerves.
No one paying attention at this point.)

*clink* *clank!* *clink!* *clunk!*

Yeah everything about it all was
VERY DISTURBING. Don't want to experience that again.

Randy Stewart
Message: Posted by: Ellen Kotzin (Jan 8, 2003 02:46PM)
I agree with Peter about bizarre having a different genre than shock "magic".
I would say any of those prediction illusions, maybe any concerning poltergeists etc.. would be bizarre!

Bill F.--What is a Weird Weekend? Sounds fun!

New Orleans or BUST 2003!
Message: Posted by: ixnay66 (Jan 8, 2003 06:16PM)
I hate to be a downer but they ARE just tricks. And an executive assistant is a secretary and a patroleum transport specialist is a gas station attendant. hehehe
Message: Posted by: wally (Apr 16, 2007 11:49AM)
Where can I buy a stretching tongue.
Message: Posted by: Gede Nibo (Apr 16, 2007 12:07PM)
Message: Posted by: gsidhe (Apr 16, 2007 12:20PM)
Check your local dollar store around halloween. They sometimes will have a "splat" tongue. One made to throw at a flat surface and it will stick.
It is probably the most realistic tongue I have seen as far as it's smooshiness.
I use it all the time for needle through tongue.
1 tongue has gotten me through over 100 performances.
And it costs a buck.
Message: Posted by: spidey_ak (Apr 16, 2007 01:53PM)
Wow, this is probably one of the best "tricks" I've seen yet! A 3 to 4 year old post resurrected!
Message: Posted by: chmara (Apr 16, 2007 02:14PM)
Create a 100 per cent dark (seance) room -- 100 per cent dark.

Have sitters remain silent for 90 seconds plus.

Loud noise in vacant part of room.

(Thank you Eugene.)
Message: Posted by: The Curator (Apr 16, 2007 03:29PM)
Pure Evil

Message: Posted by: coupcoupdaddy (Apr 16, 2007 06:00PM)
Yes, Curator. I fully concur. And I am a devotee of the Senator who cruelly used this device. More disturbing than Dr. X's version of Psychic Tic Tac Toe.
Message: Posted by: Mystician (Apr 16, 2007 06:55PM)
However uncharacteristic of me it is to be serious- I would say "Murder by Mail", from Docc Hilford's "Band of the Hand" booklet is a pretty disturbing piece.
Done the right/wrong person (depending on your perspective), or let's just say a gullible person with a conscience, it could leave emotional scarring for life.
I think it's best to come up with something original and really personal though.
Message: Posted by: gothicmagic (Apr 18, 2007 04:03PM)
As far as emtionaly disturbing, I think Lee Earles "Musing Box" ranks up there (death of a child, contimplation of suicide..)hmm might be why not a lot of people perform it (I do).
Message: Posted by: KOTAH (Apr 19, 2007 06:42AM)
Truly a duck from hell. good one Curator! I notice it seems to be the young magicians who are fond of grave yard effects. As I get older, and closer to death, it loses some of its appeal <g>
Message: Posted by: SamOne (Apr 19, 2007 10:10AM)
The curator knows what he is talking about lol
he has been fighting the thing from day one ! the proof :P

Message: Posted by: The Curator (Apr 19, 2007 03:59PM)
Yep, his name is Moby Duck.
Message: Posted by: TEB3 (Apr 19, 2007 04:33PM)
Are you sure that isn't a small size Swan Boat left over from an Opera by R. Wagner?

Message: Posted by: Bill Ligon (Apr 19, 2007 08:26PM)
Moby Duck! LOL!

Message: Posted by: The Curator (May 12, 2007 04:22PM)
Remember Pure Evil ?
I met God today...

Message: Posted by: egregor (May 12, 2007 09:05PM)
Did anybody see that German newspiece about a swan that fell in love with a swan shaped paddle boat in a park lake in germany. I'll look for the reference if I can find it.
Message: Posted by: tangle (May 16, 2007 02:45AM)
13th post, had to be here, moby duck!
for me its something mentallisty with maybe a pulse stop
Message: Posted by: chris35 (May 16, 2007 01:51PM)
Hi egregor!

The story of the black swan that fell into love with a pedal boat was in the news over here for several months last year. After spending the winter in a zoo, the swan (a female called 'Petra') and the boat were recently brought back to the lake where the romance started.

Here are two links (the second one refers to a website in german language):