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Topic: Copper/silver coin
Message: Posted by: jynx (Apr 19, 2006 10:22PM)
I have a friend who wants to sell me his copper/silver coin. He doesn't have any instructions for it. Could somebody point me in a direction where I could find some good routines with this coin. Also, he thinks it is a Johnson coin but he isn't sure. How can you tell the difference between Johnson gaffed coins and the others?
Message: Posted by: rutabaga (Apr 19, 2006 10:32PM)
Check Bobo's - Presto-Chango is a blast!
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Apr 19, 2006 10:37PM)
One of the best routines is copper silver Tenkai pennies
omy personal favorite is the" Dirty Sanchez" a quick and very visual transposition...
vinny
Message: Posted by: jynx (Apr 19, 2006 11:05PM)
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On 2006-04-19 23:37, vinsmagic wrote:
One of the best routines is copper silver Tenkai pennies
omy personal favorite is the" Dirty Sanchez" a quick and very visual transposition...
vinny
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The Tenkai pennies sounds familiar. Is that taught on a David Roth video? Where might I find the "Dirty Sanchez?" I am kinda of new to the world of coins. I know some but don't know where to find the good teaching vids. (I am more of a visual learner)
Message: Posted by: kirko (Apr 19, 2006 11:25PM)
Jay sankey has a few copper-silver routines on his dvd
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Apr 19, 2006 11:57PM)
Jynx pm me with your e mail address and ill send a demo your way of both effects
I never seen a Roth video so I can not answer your question..
vinny
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Apr 20, 2006 12:05AM)
One of the best routine is a 2 silver coins to copper and ending with 1 copper and 1 silver, all done in the hands.

Copper/Silver coins do not come with directions. How can you tell a Johnson from others. You can't! Johnson do not mark their coins in anyway. Mine are Johnson because I purchased them from Johnson Products.
Message: Posted by: Magiguy (Apr 20, 2006 01:05AM)
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On 2006-04-20 01:05, wmhegbli wrote:
How can you tell a Johnson from others. You can't! [/quote]

Perhaps, but you can tell a Sterling coin from a mile away (and that's not necessarily a compliment). :)
Message: Posted by: Reis O'Brien (Apr 20, 2006 07:25AM)
If I remember correctly, Bobo's has several effects using this coin. This is a great investment for anyone interested in coin magic.
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Apr 20, 2006 07:48AM)
Great coin, check Bobo's for ideas....But you're really flying when you get to the point of doing a lot of the same stuff with a copper coin and a silver coin, without the need of a gaff. ;) In the meantime have fun with the cop/silv coin. :)
Message: Posted by: Brian Roberts (Apr 20, 2006 10:34AM)
Curtis Kam's Coersive purse. Check it out!
Message: Posted by: Rik Chew (Apr 20, 2006 11:53AM)
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On 2006-04-20 08:48, Mb217 wrote:
Great coin, check Bobo's for ideas....But you're really flying when you get to the point of doing a lot of the same stuff with a copper coin and a silver coin, without the need of a gaff.
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How would you go about doing the Presto Changeo as cleanly without the gaffed coin?
Message: Posted by: rannie (Apr 20, 2006 01:41PM)
The Godfather has an interesting new effect with a c/s. Who knows it might be in a future dvd.

Rannie
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Apr 20, 2006 02:17PM)
Even with good switches and things like the EG2EG, gaffs have their place. Some things, like a couple in CoinMagic are all but impossible to duplicate without the gaffs. The Tiddlywinks Change comes to mind, where a coin under a glass changes visibly. ;) Probably even more stunning with a c/s/b set.
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Apr 20, 2006 02:47PM)
SSmall, You might not be able to do that one without the gaff, in fact the effect is made directly to use the gaff in that way. What I'm saying is that you can do a series of switches, vanishes, productions, etc. with a 1 copper english penny and 1 silver half dollar that simulates a lot of what you can do with a cop/silv coin. Obviously the cop/silv coin has it's place in making wonderful effects possible, that's why it's here. I was just saying that with good handle of the sleights, that you could use the actual 2 coins and do some pretty amazing things. But use what works for you, and the cop/silv coin is a real gem and stalwart of coin magic. :)
Message: Posted by: ehands (Apr 20, 2006 05:44PM)
I am pretty much a beginner too. Bobo started me on Copper/Silver (C/S) tricks and I look forward to many more years of instruction from his tome. For a video companion, Roth’s DVDs are excellent. His fantastic instruction and historical discussion on the C/S gaff is on Vol 1 of Ultimate Coin Magic Collection. My fascination with C/S was recently renewed by Dan Watkins's wonderful routines on Coin Man Walking. Like most good routines, Dan's ends clean. He also teaches a gaffless Copper-Silver Transposition that you can follow up with to remove any suspicion that some kind of trick coin could have been involved. All these can be done with basic palming and switching. And if you don't yet have that, they are excellent instruction and practice for acquiring these skills.

I haven't yet gotten to most of the other suggestions, but will grant that they are superb too. Oh, the joy of feasting on the plethora of masterful instruction out there.
Message: Posted by: jynx (Apr 20, 2006 10:45PM)
I talked to my friend today and I have been trying to talk him out of selling it. But, he don't want it and wants me to buy it. He said it is a Johnsons and that he paid $28 for it. I think he bought it a year or so ago. Anyway he is selling the coins to me for $10...:)
Message: Posted by: mike gallo (Apr 21, 2006 07:40AM)
If he were a real friend...and really wantedyou to have it...he'd just give it to ya!

Mike
Message: Posted by: Mb217 (Apr 21, 2006 08:25AM)
Simple and great words to live by Mike...in just about anything. ;)
Message: Posted by: sethb (Apr 21, 2006 08:27AM)
A standard Johnson C/S coin regularly sells for about $10. If your friend really paid $28 for one, either he overpaid or he got one of the special Johnson C/S coins made of pure silver, look [url=http://themagicwarehouse.com/cgi-bin/findit.pl?x_item=JO1425]HERE[/url]. If the silver part of the C/S coin is a 1964 Kennedy or a "Walking Liberty" half, it's the special Johnson and certainly worth $10. Otherwise, it's about the regular retail price for such a coin.

Since a C/S coin has no moving parts, I don't think it's all that important whether it's a Johnson or another make. Other gaffs like a Scotch & Soda or a flipper coin, the small difference in price for Johnson stuff often makes a big difference in quality, durabilty and reliability. SETH
Message: Posted by: rutabaga (Apr 21, 2006 09:14AM)
[quote]If he were a real friend...and really wantedyou to have it...he'd just give it to ya! [/quote]

I wouldn't be so sure. You are judging someone without the least idea of what the circumstances actually are, beyond the fact he wants $10 for the coin.

Your suggestion that he may not be a "real" friend is careless and assuming.

Sorry to sound harsh Mr. Gallo. I'm sure you're a fine magician, but you're off the mark with that post.
Message: Posted by: jynx (Apr 21, 2006 09:18AM)
My friend bought it at the local magic shop here when it was in business. Their prices weren't all that great but it was the only one here. My friend is not that much into magic. I tried to turn him on to it but he just don't have the passion that I have for magic. He is a good friend and he could use the money. I will buy the coins from him. I think he don't like the coin because it is so simple. He knows the secret so the effect is not magical to him any more. Hard to explain....
Message: Posted by: rutabaga (Apr 21, 2006 09:52AM)
Jynx,

... wait till he sees what you can do with it [once you have a few of the routines suuggested above nailed]! He won't believe [or even realise!] that it's the same coin. Good luck...
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Apr 21, 2006 10:45AM)
Mike you said it all
Message: Posted by: jecar (Apr 21, 2006 02:08PM)
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On 2006-04-20 02:05, Magiguy wrote:
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On 2006-04-20 01:05, wmhegbli wrote:
How can you tell a Johnson from others. You can't! [/quote]

Perhaps, but you can tell a Sterling coin from a mile away (and that's not necessarily a compliment). :)
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Sterling makes great copper/silver coins. They make two versions, the regular and the professional. The Pro version looks great and I don't see how any company could make one better than this version.

Jerry
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Message: Posted by: Ray Haining (Apr 21, 2006 02:43PM)
Sethb states: "Since a C/S coin has no moving parts, I don't think it's all that important whether it's a Johnson or another make."

The manufacturing process can make a difference in the sound the coin makes when hitting another coin or a table. I'm not sure about the Johnson coin, but I know there is a world of difference between a coin made by Sasco and one made by Lassen or Schoolcraft, the sound of the latter being more genuine, but also much more expensive.

There is also a difference in the thickness, the latter being the thickness of one coin, the former thicker than one coin. Again, I'm not sure about the Johnson coin.
Message: Posted by: pabloinus (Apr 21, 2006 03:38PM)
I think that for $10 you should buy it and play with it, if it is a cheaper brand, well you are overpaying maybe 2 or 3 bucks, not a big deal, and you can start playing right away

Pablo
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Apr 21, 2006 04:18PM)
It does not matter who makes the coins what matters is what you do with the coin .
I an effect......MAGIC not workmanship
Message: Posted by: kerpa (Apr 21, 2006 09:06PM)
Well, my nominee for best explanation and handling is Johnny Thompson's Copper Silver Transposition on his Commercial Classics of Magic volume 1, on DVD from L&L. I think this particular trick is brilliant. If you watch Johnny really closely during the performance, you can learn a lot about the relationship between body language and audience handling during close up. Johnny gives a crystal clear explanation of the Bobo switch and a special type of retention vanish. I'm busy practising and rehearsing C/S Transpo from this DVD - I think it's one of the best versions out there.
kerpa
a/k/a Michael Miller
Chicago area
P.S. If you can ever get hold of it, Michael Ammar's pretty old VHS Touch of Magic: Coins is also brilliant, for other basic coin effects and utility moves - better, I think, than even David Roth (I'm talking about early, not later Ammar, for comparing to Roth). I think L&L may have it available in reissue (as a DVD?); I have an old VHS version, and "classic" Ammar was equally lucid as Thompson in his explanations for other basic coin effects, such as a really great retention vanish.
Message: Posted by: Ray Haining (Apr 22, 2006 11:57AM)
If the coin is a cheaper model, no matter how good a magician you are, when it hits another coin it makes a "thud" as opposed to a "clink," which can make a difference to some folks.
Message: Posted by: sethb (Apr 22, 2006 12:12PM)
[quote]On 2006-04-21 15:43, Ray Haining wrote:
The manufacturing process can make a difference in the sound the coin makes when hitting another coin or a table. I'm not sure about the Johnson coin, but I know there is a world of difference between a coin made by Sasco and one made by Lassen or Schoolcraft, the sound of the latter being more genuine, but also much more expensive.[/quote]

Very interesting! I always thought that any C/S coin would make a hollow sound if dropped on a hard surface or clicked against another coin. That's why I always use a small closeup pad or peform on a tablecloth, etc., for safety's sake. I've never had the pleasure of using a Lassen or Schoolcraft C/S coin, it would be interesting to compare them. SETH
Message: Posted by: Glen (Oct 6, 2008 01:30PM)
I like the one handed triple change
Message: Posted by: Lawrence O (Oct 13, 2008 08:54AM)
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On 2006-04-19 23:32, rutabaga wrote:
Check Bobo's - Presto-Chango is a blast!
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You may want to look for Mike Gallo's handling of it. His special handling of the Bobo Switch makes a whole world of difference.