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Topic: Shuffle Tracking
Message: Posted by: cinemagician (Apr 20, 2006 02:06PM)
Can anyone recomend some resources on this technique. I'm not planning to use it for gambling, but have used the premise as the basis or theme of a routine I am working on. I just want to be able to acurately discuss the technique so that I actually know what I'm talking about as the routine unfolds.

Message: Posted by: Craig Krisulevicz (Apr 20, 2006 02:40PM)
If you're not going to use it for gambling and just want to get a basic idea of it, it's not worth purchasing the expensive resources for it. Just google it, and you're bound to come up with some articles giving the basic gist of it.
Message: Posted by: sgrossberg (Apr 20, 2006 03:47PM)
Cinemagician -

The most concise source I have found is Forte's Gaming Protection book. You will certainly sound like you know what you're talking about if you even use a portion of what Steve has written.

You might also want to contact Sal Piacente and/or view his poker DVD which contains some tracking demonstrations. Of course, Sal gives entire courses to the gaming industry on shuffle tracking with demonstrations that are, quite frankly, unbelievable.

Finally, take a look at:


Hope some of this helps. - Scott
Message: Posted by: cinemagician (Apr 20, 2006 04:23PM)
Scott, thanks for the info and the link to Zender's article it provides a pretty clear explanation and will aid me in the development of my script.

Message: Posted by: Logan Five (Apr 20, 2006 05:28PM)
The book Break The Dealer by Jerry Patterson and Eddie Olson discusses the subject of tracking the shuffle.
Message: Posted by: cinemagician (Apr 20, 2006 05:47PM)
Message: Posted by: mxray (Apr 22, 2006 11:03PM)
The cheapest ACCURATE book is "Black Belt In Blackjack" , by the man who has undoubtedly done more to promote, teach and further shuffle trackng than anyone: Arnold "The Bishop" Snyder.

BBBJ is mostly a beginning counter's book, but has a whole chapter dedicated to explaining the basics of tracking. It is probably the best at explaining it to someone who is either just starting out or has no knoledge about it at all.

I would encourage you to steer clear of Olsen and Patterson. To most serious advantage play blackjakc players, thay are considered a joke, as they both subscribe to lots of what counters often refer to as "voodoo" (non-mathematically sound ideas ).

The Bishop is still considered the authority in his writings on this subject.
Hope this helps,
Message: Posted by: JasonEngland (Apr 23, 2006 09:41PM)
On 2006-04-23 00:03, mxray wrote:
I would encourage you to steer clear of Olsen and Patterson. To most serious advantage play blackjakc players, thay are considered a joke...


Absolutely. And it's a shame too. Patterson's first edition of [i][b]Blackjack: A Winner's Handbook[/i][/b] wasn't a bad book. In subsequent editions he added a bunch of his Target 21 garbage and ruined an otherwise fine introduction to the game. Stay very far away from [i][b]Break the Dealer[/i][/b] as well. It's awful.