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Topic: Cool effects incorporating a Ouija board???
Message: Posted by: magicjack1977 (Jul 13, 2006 09:38AM)
Does anyone know of any cool effects that incorporate a spirit board?? My sister is really into them and is wanting to conduct a Seance to contact my mother who recently passed away. I don't believe in them to be honest and find the whole thing to be a bit laughable, but I love my sister and my mom so I'm willing to do it, but I was wondering if there were any effects that I could throw in to entertain the 12+ people that will be in attendance.

Thanks in advance guys!!!
Message: Posted by: JAlenS (Jul 13, 2006 10:01AM)
Maybe you could shim the planchette and use an m5. All you really need is some IT and your imagination.
Message: Posted by: Spellbinder (Jul 13, 2006 10:03AM)
Don't do it. I know you can, you know you can, but resist the urge. Wait until another time when you are having the seance as a party game and are not trying to contact someone you both knew and loved. Don't mess with your sister's grief. It's not your place to entertain the believers. Better stay away from it than publicly mocking your sister's beliefs. My opinion.
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Jul 13, 2006 10:27AM)
Listen to Spellbinder!
Message: Posted by: Sir T (Jul 13, 2006 10:43AM)
If you feel you must, Brohter Shadow seance, will take place only in the sitters minds and can be very healing.
Message: Posted by: Phil C (Jul 13, 2006 10:52AM)
I would not suggest doing it for such serious reasons too.
Message: Posted by: mota (Jul 13, 2006 12:47PM)
I agree with the others here...

Don't do it as a trick...you could easily say the wrong thing.

If you wish, Brother Shadow's seance would work here...you have to read it to understand.

This all is heavy stuff, better left alone.
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (Jul 13, 2006 01:23PM)
4 words,"Wrong time, wrong place."

But if you are interested in learning good magick for another time, TALES FROM THE TALKING BOARD by Jim Magus. (Jim is a member here.)

Tony
Message: Posted by: scolman (Jul 13, 2006 02:57PM)
Yup! Stay clear. A few years ago I was doing a pendulum routine with some friends at a dinner party. No-one else new about ideo-motor responses and I convinced them all that messages from the spirit world were being channelled using the pendulum.
I had forgotten that one of my friends had recently lost a loved one and she ended up crying uncontrollably after she held the pendulum and asked a "secret question".
It took ages to calm her down and in an attempt to undo the harm, I explained the method/principle - that just made things worse as she then accused me of taking advantage of her feelings and beliefs just to entertain others.........bad move!

On the upside though (in more appropriate circumstances) I can strongly recommend Jim Magus' book mentioned by Tony above.

If you want ready made Ouija effects, see if you can find Leland Stone's Spirit Spelling board (the whole board floats up) or the Fabrice Delaure Mystic Ouija (a mentalism effect)

I've got a new Ouija effect coming out in the store at month end where the planchette moves without anyone being near it (or the board). PM me if you want more info.

Simon
Message: Posted by: Magickman (Jul 13, 2006 03:06PM)
Ok maybe I should be wearing a dunce hat but....
If they are willing to sit around a ouija board
I'd drop a bomb on em! But hey..thats me.


Magickman
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Jul 13, 2006 03:40PM)
Heck - you can end up causing a hell of a lot of chaos and you will be wading into a potential mine-field of psychebombs...

My opinion - if your sister is really gung-ho to do this as a way to help the bereavement process (like in the denial stage)... my humble opinion is don't do any magic at all - use it "straight" i.e. in the context you describe - this is not for entertainment - it is some sort of bit of process in grieving IMHO and let your sister be in charge, follow the classic instructions of the board - and that is that... then ideomotor/or spirits from beyond, whatever you want to believe, can be the sole source of the action.

My condolenses on the passing of your mother by the way. I hope you and your family are getting the support you need as you go through this phase in your lives.

All the best,

Dr S
Message: Posted by: Harry H (Jul 13, 2006 03:54PM)
May as well add I agree with Spellbinder.What a callous awful idea magickjack1977.Spend you renergies talking to your sister,explaining a piece of wood isn't going to help her grieve.Nor is it going to contact anyone!
Message: Posted by: Anabelle (Jul 13, 2006 04:46PM)
I wouldn't play with that either. I perform mostly psychic type magic and mentalism and I've had some crazy reactions. I posted this on another subject but scroll down and read STRONG KIND OF MAGIC and THE CURSE on my blog: http://mohanathoughts.blogspot.com/2006_01_01_mohanathoughts_archive.html

Anabelle
Message: Posted by: JAlenS (Jul 13, 2006 05:31PM)
On another note. Some experts in the parapsychology department discourage the use of ouija boards all together. They say that when you open up yourself to those things anything can come through. No matter if you believe in it or not, Lou Gentile has some very scary "real" recordings and reportsabout this kind of thing. You're trying to contact the spirit of your deceased mother and you get beelzebub masquerading as mom and he won't go away.
I don't know if these things are real or not but it sure does make life more interesting to think that they are.

for you ghost and demonology buffs out there here is a great link to scare the pants off of you.
http://www.lougentile.com/
Message: Posted by: mrnavyblue (Jul 13, 2006 07:12PM)
I was thinking of making sum ouija board effects but after consulting quite a few ppl into the spiritual side of things seriously don't mess about. if your doing a real seance then just go through it (im no expert) but usually when you conduct a seance if ppl are watching the seance wont work because there not part of the circle or something like tht ... I don't know I only looked into it once

but yeah if its your sisters doing. let her try and don't take advantage!
Message: Posted by: Black Hart (Jul 14, 2006 12:57AM)
Magicjack1977

Listen to Spellbinders advice:[quote]Don't mess with your sister's grief[/quote]

Ouija effects are fine, I have no problem with that but most definitely [b]NOT[/b] to trick your sister at such a time.

Keith Hart
Message: Posted by: The Curator (Jul 14, 2006 02:31AM)
And don't use a ouija in connection of your collection of Sumerian demon statues, like Pazuzu.
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Jul 14, 2006 07:19AM)
Hey, I happen to own a Pazazu statuette - forgot about that connection with Captian Howdy ;) - Thanks Curator :)
Message: Posted by: juggling1 (Jul 14, 2006 12:22PM)
Ive had some exepriences with ouija boards where Ive had reasons to think I communicated with sprits. The crreepy part is I don't know if they were honest about who they were. Regaurdless nothing good came from it and lets just say I havn't played with one since and would recomend the same.
Message: Posted by: Bill Ligon (Jul 14, 2006 12:59PM)
I use a ouija board in a seance. Nothing happens (usually!)with the board, but afterward, when I am doing something else, the planchette suddenly moves by itself. I also have a Pazuzu statue. I don't keep them together or use them in the same routine.
Message: Posted by: Harry H (Jul 17, 2006 02:03PM)
[quote]
On 2006-07-13 18:31, JAlenS wrote:
On another note. Some experts in the parapsychology department discourage the use of ouija boards all together. They say that when you open up yourself to those things anything can come through. No matter if you believe in it or not, Lou Gentile has some very scary "real" recordings and reportsabout this kind of thing. You're trying to contact the spirit of your deceased mother and you get beelzebub masquerading as mom and he won't go away.
I don't know if these things are real or not but it sure does make life more interesting to think that they are.

for you ghost and demonology buffs out there here is a great link to scare the pants off of you.
http://www.lougentile.com/
[/quote]

Lou Gentile who made a song and dance of applying for Randi challenge and then withdrew when the heat got too much.
It suprises me when I read magicians on here believing in Ouija boards and psychics etc.I always thought magicians were above such silliness.
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (Jul 17, 2006 02:05PM)
And some of us thought skeptics had open minds. I guess we all live and learn.


Harry, it appears you missed the main focus of this thread and the advice given, as well as the humor that came at the end.

Tony
Message: Posted by: djrdjr (Jul 17, 2006 02:36PM)
Tony: I believe the skeptics Harry was referring to DO have open minds. They are sseking confirmation. They are not the party that backed down from the challenge.

Harry didn't miss anything. He was responding to JAlenS's "ON ANOTHER NOTE."
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (Jul 17, 2006 02:53PM)
Djrdjr
Harry IS the one I am commenting on.

I'm sorry I must have misunderstood the following:

Harry H. wrote:
<It suprises me when I read magicians on here believing in Ouija boards and psychics etc.I always thought magicians were above such silliness. >

It did not seem like an open minded comment to me, nor did it read like there was an understanding of the thread.

Tony
Message: Posted by: Harry H (Jul 17, 2006 04:06PM)
It's pointless even commenting on people's belief in paranormal it seems,without being called closed minded.
Tony I haven't missed the point of the thread,you will see I responded earlier.I was referencing comments made by two members who believe they contacted spirits through a piece of wood!

Show me evidence for claims and I will happily step down from my stance.Anyhow this is for another thread sometime.
Message: Posted by: magicjack1977 (Jul 20, 2006 01:44PM)
UPDATE: The seance went on without a hitch last night. I have to admit that, although I do not fully believe in the power of a seance or the quija, I found the whole experience to be a bit better than I had assumed it would be. Even though I'm still not convinced that there is a spirit world, we apparently made several "small" contacts during the hour and I think that my sister feels a bit better about everything overall.

I did perform for everyone, but only before the actual seance. I think that it helped to lighten the mood a bit and my sister even got a kick out of it.

Thanks for the input and support guys!!!!
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (Jul 20, 2006 01:49PM)
Magicjack1977

I'm glad your sister is feeling better, that is the most important thing.
It reads like you did a fantastic job as a brother. Your mother would be proud.

Tony
Message: Posted by: bobser (Jul 22, 2006 06:05AM)
[quote]
On 2006-07-17 17:06, Harry H wrote:
'I was referencing comments made by two members who believe they contacted spirits through a piece of wood!'
[/quote]

Hmmmmm. Fascinating how skeptics can possess an acute desire to bend any truth either by ommittance or misrepresentation.

[quote]
Show me evidence for claims and I will happily step down from my stance.
[/quote]

No!

Bobser
Message: Posted by: Bill Ligon (Jul 22, 2006 10:18AM)
[quote]
On 2006-07-17 17:06, Harry H wrote:
Tony I haven't missed the point of the thread,you will see I responded earlier.I was referencing comments made by two members who believe they contacted spirits through a piece of wood!
[/quote]

It should not be necessary to point out that the ouija board is merely a tool and to suggest that two members wrongly "believe they contacted spirits through a piece of wood" is not only unfair but absolutely absurd. This is a typical skeptic's assertion and the tactic merely serves to throw the discussion off track.
Message: Posted by: Bill Ligon (Jul 22, 2006 09:11PM)
Sorry, Harry H. My post above sounds stronger and more aggressive than I meant it. It sounds insulting, but I did not mean it that way.
Message: Posted by: George Ledo (Jul 23, 2006 01:16PM)
Well, magicjack1977, it sounds like you did a good job all around with the seance.

On a different note...
[quote]
On 2006-07-13 18:31, JAlenS wrote:
They say that when you open up yourself to those things anything can come through. No matter if you believe in it or not, Lou Gentile has some very scary "real" recordings and reportsabout this kind of thing. You're trying to contact the spirit of your deceased mother and you get beelzebub masquerading as mom and he won't go away.
[/quote]
Gee, it sounds like Ouija boards were years ahead of internet chat rooms! :)
Message: Posted by: JAlenS (Jul 24, 2006 01:39PM)
:)

I don't know if it's real or not but things are more interesting with them(spirits and whatnot) around. Chat rooms included.
Message: Posted by: Midnight333 (Jul 27, 2006 02:35AM)
Wow. Let me say first, to the gentleman who started this thread that I am sorry for you loss. Then let me say way to listen to what we had to say! You were lucky that your experience was positive as it could have turned out as Annabelles did or any of the others. To the gentleman who is in disagreement with certain beliefs entertained by some of the magicians here, I say sir, there is an animal on this planet, that most surely exists, but you have not seen it nor have you heard of it. You do not belive it exists, yet it does. If you settle on the absolute idea that your world is a certain way, then you never take the steps to explore what might be. You limit your knowledge. Simply disbelieving that a tiger exists, does not mean that it does not.

Think what you will, I know what experiences I've had with the supernatural. I've made my own conclusions. What experiences have you had? And what conclusions have you arrived at for having had those experiences?

-21 posts to go.
Message: Posted by: magicjack1977 (Aug 1, 2006 08:51AM)
Thanks again guys! My mothers loss was hard on all of us here and we each have had to deal with it in our own way. My sister had a seance and my Dad works on his RC airplane models. I, though, have spent an amazing amount of time chatting online since it happened and I have got to say that if not for the positive support that I've gotten from my forum friends that I may not have gotten through this as smoothly as I had.

Thanks so much!!
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Apr 27, 2009 10:14PM)
Sorry about your loss!!!
Message: Posted by: KOTAH (Apr 28, 2009 06:41PM)
I have had only one personal experience with a Ouija board. An elderly aunt of mine had one. She was afraid of them / their power. But at my request she joined me in using it. I asked a very specific question. The planchette began to move beneath my fingers. The reply it spelled surprised me. THe answer later proved absolutely accurate. Did my sub conscious thoughts choose the answer for me? It wqs not my Aunts doing, because she had no background in magic
Very strange indeed.

SO glad your sister is doing better; my sincere condolences on your loss.

Kotah