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Topic: Quick change suit
Message: Posted by: EvanMagic (Jul 14, 2006 03:33PM)
Hey guys,

I'm trying to find someone or some source that has information on the suit that changes with only a curtain held up in front.

Any help would be appreciated,

Evan
Message: Posted by: p:m (Jul 15, 2006 09:21AM)
Check out the Quick Change (Rapid Costume Changes for Men) book by Will Goldston.

I do a quick change in about 3 seconds with a curtain thrown up and when it lands I'm changed. From a black tux to a white tux.

I have seen so many people interested in quick changes lately. I wonder why. David and Dania maybe? ...
Message: Posted by: LeeAlex2002 (Jul 15, 2006 02:49PM)
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On 2006-07-15 10:21, Jak wrote:
Check out the Quick Change (Rapid Costume Changes for Men) book by Will Goldston.

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Are you sure that Will Goldston is the author, or are you speaking about the book by Sven Schoppenhauer?
http://www.quickchange.de
Message: Posted by: magicmike96 (Jul 15, 2006 11:37PM)
I have been interested in quick changes as long as I have liked magic, but David and Dania definitely made me want to do it more than ever. Can we come up with a list of books and videos on the subject? MIKE
Message: Posted by: ades888 (Jul 16, 2006 12:34AM)
Yasuda of Japan has released a Costume Change DVD. I have not had a look at it, but am interested in adding this type of effect to my act. For those that use them, how difficult and/or expensive (if getting a taylor to make them) are they to be made?
Message: Posted by: Nell (Jul 17, 2006 07:55PM)
This is a aspect of magic close to my heart, so, please understand the prep time involved before throwing yourself into it lightly. Also, the Yasuda DVD only addresses female costume...
Message: Posted by: p:m (Jul 17, 2006 09:31PM)
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On 2006-07-16 01:34, ades888 wrote:
For those that use them, how difficult and/or expensive (if getting a taylor to make them) are they to be made?
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I change from a black tux with pink dress shirt and red tie to a white tux with black dress shirt and white tie.

Now with buying the suits and taking them to the tailor etc, the whole cost me about.. 520.00$ Cdn Currency.
Message: Posted by: Nell (Jul 19, 2006 08:05AM)
Cost really depends on who does it and where you live... If you go to someone who doesn't specialize in QC, it is crucial that you understand what has to be done and how the garment must operate because the tailor will look at you like you are crazy. I had a long discussion with my costuming professor(an accomplished tailor and Hollywood/Theatre costume designer/builder) about a tuxedo change I was commissioned to make this spring. She stared at me blankly for several minutes and then started asking a million questions... Needless to say, it is important to know what you're getting involved with before you spend a lot of money and receive a garment that won't do what you need it to.
Message: Posted by: Fornby (Jul 19, 2006 08:58AM)
Jak,

Changing suits; is it possible to do while walking and the head is seen?
(I got this idea... using BA... :))

Thanks,
Gene
Message: Posted by: RJE (Jul 19, 2006 04:34PM)
Gene,

It is absolutely possible.

We've also have been fascinated by the quick change for a long time and David and Dania were the inspiration to finally do it. We do a double dove act, where both of us produce a number of doves and then Pat changes from tuxedo to evening gown and I change from tuxedo to "show shirt" and slacks.

For us, it was a natural. Pat is an expert seamstress and she put together the outfits for both of us in about a day. She made the gown and we used old show clothes for the tuxes so the cost was minimal.

We used both the Sven Schoppenhauer book and the Yasuda DVD for direction. Both were very valuable in the construction of the outfits. The changes, especially Pat's, often gets gasps out of the audience. Also, because we use a cloth hoop for Pat's change, we can do it anywhere, even surrounded. We both have enjoyed adding this to our routines.

All the best,

Rob
Message: Posted by: Fornby (Jul 19, 2006 04:44PM)
Rob,

Thanks a lot for the comprehensive reply!

Best regards,
Gene
Message: Posted by: p:m (Jul 19, 2006 06:50PM)
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On 2006-07-19 09:58, Fornby wrote:
Jak,

Changing suits; is it possible to do while walking and the head is seen?
(I got this idea... using BA... :))

Thanks,
Gene
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Yeah I do that on occasion.
Message: Posted by: Lusion (Jul 19, 2006 08:18PM)
I am having quick change clothes being custom made from someone that specializes in them and its taken 3 months so far. I am suppose to get them in another 25 days I will let you know if the designer is worth doing business with.
Message: Posted by: Face (Jul 20, 2006 04:02AM)
Lusion, can you mention the name of the designer? And some contact info wouldn't hurt also. You can PM me if you want. Thanks :)
Message: Posted by: The GodFather (Jul 23, 2006 03:42AM)
Lusio

I cant wait for your comments about your new suit
Message: Posted by: seanalexander (Jul 23, 2006 10:19AM)
Hi Guys,

I reccomend you get the Sven Schoppenhaur book on quick change as it covers everything about the subject for men. Also if you visit his site you can can quick change accessories like colour changing bow ties, etc already made! http://www.quickchange.de/

Also have you seen Lee Alex's new waistcoat (vest) change? (Lee translated Sven's book into English) Take a look, looks great and is on my list to buy! (Actualy I'm getting my Mum to get me this for my birthday next week, as she never knows what to get and it alway ends up me wanting magic!) Can't wait!

BTW Can anyone tell me what the track is in Lee's video? I've been after this for ages!

Thanks Sean

Heres the Link! http://www.magicwaistcoat.com/
Message: Posted by: MopKrayz (Jul 23, 2006 10:30AM)
The music in the video is from the movie Kill Bill.
the track is called "Battle Without Honor or Humanity" by Tomoyasu Hotei
there are various mixes available
Message: Posted by: seanalexander (Jul 23, 2006 10:37AM)
Thanx for that!
Message: Posted by: p:m (Jul 27, 2006 04:08PM)
My Suit was also custom tailored by a man who does it for well, just about a living. He is a tailor for generic clothes etc, but countless pros in the city here have gone to him for costume change tailoring. It is GREAT. Worth every penny (300$) I would have paid double it was such a good job.
Message: Posted by: eb02 (Jul 29, 2006 02:04AM)
There is a new vest changing color on Hocus pocus site.
http://hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/?hn=1
There is also a DVD - Art of costum change, which he explain diffrent methods of quick change.


Posted: Jul 29, 2006 3:08am
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See this movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpLTM08nieo
Message: Posted by: Lex Schoppi (Jul 29, 2006 12:12PM)
As a designer of over 30 different Quick Change Clothes I have seen countless costumes; however Lee Alex’s waistcoat is simply GENIUS! Congratulations LEE!!!
Message: Posted by: elecktra (Jul 29, 2006 12:49PM)
I agree with Lex. The waistcoat is great. I wonder how long it took him to come up with it. Lex, unfortunately I will not be attending FISM this year but do you know if Sos and Victoria Petrosyan ever travel to the United States and perform?? I am thinking of going to Benidorm, Spain where they are doing some shows to see them do their quick change act there, but I wish they would come to the U.S. Also do you have any videos I can purchase or see of you performing the quick changes??
Message: Posted by: mysticalmike (Jul 29, 2006 06:56PM)
I wish they came in a bigger size I would of bought one.
Message: Posted by: Amazing Magic Co (Jul 29, 2006 09:34PM)
Mike,

I was going to ask the same thing .. whether they were available for larger folks?

Thanks,
Dan.
Message: Posted by: LeeAlex2002 (Jul 30, 2006 02:10AM)
Thank you folks for your very kind words.

Mike and Dan I have sent you both a private message.

Anyone who wishes still to take advantage of the 10% pre-order offer can do so until Friday 4th August.

Thank you all once again for your interest.
Message: Posted by: Lex Schoppi (Jul 30, 2006 05:44AM)
@ elecktra:

A video you will find on my website. I downt know how difficult it is to perform in the USA. You have a artist couple, who has save some rights of this several houndred years old art of making such costumes in your country. In Europe such thinks not work. In Europe we have so much quick-change artists - this is such a wunderfull art. Read carefully the MAGIC magazine and you understand. I know 15 acts of quick-change couples and all are very good. You know mind: the quick-change artistry live outside the magic circles. Nobody invest 10000 USD and much more in costumes for a Magic act. If anybody invest in costumes - he will work with this costumes - not show it. You find this artistry in Circus, Varieté, Cruiserships, Galas. In Magic Conventions you will find few artists. Quick Change is a proper art of magic. It is no parlor and no illusion. Quick Change artists downt make magic tricks - there make transformations. Not more - not less.
Message: Posted by: elecktra (Jul 30, 2006 11:35AM)
@Lex
I will definitely check out your website. The couple you talk about that own a specific patent is David and Dania. They have actually patented a method that I saw on the internet through the US patents website and they have trademarked the "quick-change" name here is the US. My idea is to work in one of my friend, Lusion's shows where he would do his magic/illusions and I would do a segment just on quick change. I know it cost a lot of money - I have already invested quite a bit in it and I really want to make it work. I have seen the quick-change couples you speak of but only in a few pictures. I will definitely have to take a few trips to Europe this year to actually see them perform, as I am fascinated with this and it is a dream of mine to make it work here in the US.
Message: Posted by: Sylver Fyre (Aug 1, 2006 02:30PM)
Could someone post more information on where I could get resources for quick change specifically for women? Such as the Yasuda DVD (is that the title of it?) or any others that would be helpful?
Thank you!!
Message: Posted by: elecktra (Aug 1, 2006 09:11PM)
Sylver, There is a soft cover booklet with a DVD by magician Monique Monroe that shows different styles of womens outfits and costumes. She does a genie, a tuxedo, some dresses, etc. The only downside I found to it was that she uses velcro and you can actually hear it in the DVD. The booklet gives you instructions on how to make your own outfits adaptable to her method but so far Yasuda had the best method I could find. The Lee Alex book also shows many methods for men's clothing but I have been applying a few to my own stuff and they can work for women's quick change as well. You just have to be creative with it and it takes a bit of time to perfect. Also, you may want to go to the patents website to see the David and Dania method but that one can't be copied since they have patented it. But it is a good learning source. Hope this info is helpful.
P.S. Check out http://www.sos-entertainment.de and click on the video section. (it has a fabulous demonstration of quick change by Sos and Victoria Petrosyan - in case you haven't seen it yet.
Message: Posted by: Sylver Fyre (Aug 2, 2006 02:43PM)
Thanks elecktra... Very useful information!
Message: Posted by: LeeAlex2002 (Aug 3, 2006 06:46AM)
Thank you to all members of the Magic Café who have shown interest n the "Color Change Vest".

Today is the last day to take advantage of the 10% off pre-order discount.

Anyone who is still interested and who hasn't yet placed thier order can do so here:

http://www.magicwaistcoat.com

Thank you once again to Magic Café and all members.
Message: Posted by: magicmike96 (Aug 7, 2006 12:57PM)
If anyone has any info ...i would be interested in knowing what david and dania's patent is. if you have a link or just tell me wut it is for. thanx MIKE
Message: Posted by: LeeAlex2002 (Aug 7, 2006 04:02PM)
The patent is for a method of fastening.
Patent No: US 6,308,334 B1, Oct. 30 2001, filed Oct. 23rd 2000)
Message: Posted by: elecktra (Aug 7, 2006 06:17PM)
Mike,
go to http://www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html and where it says patent search just type in 6,308,334 and it should give you the entire patent with drawings and full notes. That's the site I got it from.
Message: Posted by: magicmike96 (Aug 13, 2006 11:44PM)
Thanx guys very interesting! MIKE
Message: Posted by: Giampi Sellone (Aug 18, 2006 09:08PM)
The suit that changes colour with only a curtain held up in front?
Arturo Brachetti does it behind a flag since many, many years. I saw him in 1979 at the Fism, in Bruxelles.
You can check his website: http://www.brachetti.com
I think you can click on a short movie as well
Message: Posted by: Giampi Sellone (Aug 18, 2006 09:09PM)
The suit that changes colour with only a curtain held up in front?
Arturo Brachetti does it behind a flag since many, many years. I saw him in 1979 at the Fism, in Bruxelles.
You can check his website: http://www.brachetti.com
I think you can click on a short movie as well
Message: Posted by: The Great Smartini (Aug 27, 2006 11:46PM)
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On 2006-08-03 07:46, LeeAlex2002 wrote:
Thank you to all members of the Magic Café who have shown interest n the "Color Change Vest".

Today is the last day to take advantage of the 10% off pre-order discount.

Anyone who is still interested and who hasn't yet placed thier order can do so here:

http://www.magicwaistcoat.com

Thank you once again to Magic Café and all members.
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I don't know a thing about the waistcoat other than knowing that I really like it. Can anyone tell me if it can be done with only one hand? I'd like to be able to turn around while doing the floating table effect and then have my vest change. Can this be done with this product? Thanks for your help with this.

Smartini
Message: Posted by: LeeAlex2002 (Aug 28, 2006 01:17AM)
Hi Smartini,

Yes, you can perform the floating table whilst still having the color change occur. Remember that once you turn back to the front, the table should be floated away to one side to reveal the color change - if the table were still in front of you, the pure siz eof it might shield the effect of the color change, and thus it would be wasted.

If you are performing the floating table on stage, then you could wear your vest without a jacket and the change would be lightning fast.
Message: Posted by: Magicdoc88 (Aug 30, 2006 01:10AM)
I just received the color change waistcoat, it is very well made and nice looking outfit, I am looking forward to use it as soon as I smooth out my moves. Good product, LEE.
Message: Posted by: LeeAlex2002 (Aug 30, 2006 05:01AM)
Thank you Magicdoc88!

Who are you by the way?
Message: Posted by: Magicdoc88 (Aug 30, 2006 08:34AM)
I am Roy from Cupertino, California
Message: Posted by: LeeAlex2002 (Aug 30, 2006 12:52PM)
Ok Roy - thank you.
(Didn't recognise you from your name here!)
Message: Posted by: Magicdoc88 (Sep 9, 2006 09:58AM)
I had the chance try out the color change waistcoat in front of live audience last week and it was a hit. They were amused on how the color changed so quickly. Good product, Lee.
Message: Posted by: LeeAlex2002 (Sep 9, 2006 10:57AM)
That's great news Roy!

I am very happy that you have been able to develop this and place it into your act so soon.

Here's wishing you plenty of success and many more hits!
Message: Posted by: Paulo Cabrita (Sep 11, 2006 05:48PM)
Hi,
about Quick change, is everthing in Yasuda DVD. The most important is get a very good

dressmaker! And you have a good Quick change!

Paulo
Message: Posted by: mysticalmike (Sep 11, 2006 05:58PM)
Did you see on Hocus pocus 'David & Dania' have some of there act for sale. I mean you can buy some of there product there.i think it was a color changeing hat and gloves if I remeber right.
Message: Posted by: Paulo Cabrita (Sep 11, 2006 09:10PM)
Who wont to performe Quick change must to make for him because the size, is very personal costume!
Gloves a tie or other intem It's Only a Beginning, but very far of "costume change".
I do not see the professional performers (big stars) of costume change sell and elaborate clothes for professionals who want to preforme.

Paulo
Message: Posted by: joegow (Sep 15, 2006 11:22PM)
Mysticialmike, I think you are right, I think I saw there hat and gloves change on there as well
Message: Posted by: RJE (Sep 27, 2006 08:26PM)
Hello all,

We have just launched Chameleon Fabrications and you can find the advertising link here on the Café.

We have put out a line of quick change items (as well as other sewn goods that may be of interest to you) that we hope to expand upon. We are currently examining the creation and marketing of a full tuxedo change gimmick that can be adjusted to fit various body sizes. All of our gimmicks are fully adjustable to meet certain size ranges and body shapes.

Our goal is to provide a line of professional change gimmicks, and other sewn magician's goods, that are reasonably priced and quality made. Please feel free to drop by and have a look. We'd be happy to answer any questions you may have.

All the best,

Rob
Message: Posted by: Paulo Cabrita (Sep 27, 2006 09:58PM)
RJE,

Can you tell who make this costume change? Wish website?

Tank you to be so kind

Paulo
Message: Posted by: RJE (Sep 28, 2006 05:33AM)
Hi Paulo,

My wife Pat is the seamstress and the web site is http://www.chameleonfabrications.com

All the best,

Rob
Message: Posted by: Magicdoc88 (Sep 28, 2006 09:39AM)
RJE,

Video looks impressive, LOOK OUT David and Dania, Rob and Pat are here!!
Message: Posted by: RJE (Sep 28, 2006 11:16AM)
Thanks for the support magicdoc and Paulo, I hope you like what you see.

The quality that Pat puts into these things is really amazing. She tried to cover all the angles about ease of use and adjustability to suit all different body types. And the look is deceptive, right up close.

We have been using the various gimmicks in our shows for a number of months now in resorts, casinos, fairs, theatres etc... and I can tell you, when Pat goes from a tuxedo to an evening gown in under 2 seconds using a cloth hoop, it gets a big gasp followed by a huge round of applause every time. They never see it coming and it really does fry them, as the saying goes.

In one series of shows, Pat and I do a double (mirror image) dove routine where we both are producing b**y l**ds. The routine is the opening 10 minutes of the act with the finale of the routine being Pat stepping into the hoop, me lifting the hoop over her head for a one count and then lowering the hoop and she has done the complete costume change illusion. She had been wearing the gimmick like regular clothes the whole time. We can do that one totally surrounded and up close.

All the best,

Rob
Message: Posted by: johoo (Sep 28, 2006 01:57PM)
Video really looks amazing.
But do you also have the tux to dress for sale, or do you plan to? I must admit that's the most impressive part.
Message: Posted by: RJE (Sep 28, 2006 04:58PM)
Hi Johoo,

Glad you like it. All 3 of the changes are done with a different version of the same gimmick.

Rob
Message: Posted by: RJE (Sep 29, 2006 04:45AM)
Hello again,

I realize my last post is not as clear of an answer as I intended. So if you'll permit me, I'm going to try again ;)

In the video, everything you see done, is being done with the same gimmick. The gimmick comes in 3 versions: a shirt and tie, a black tuxedo combo and a red tuxedo combo. You can find them here
http://www.chameleonfabrications.com/cgi-bin/online/storepro.php

The video shows 3 of the many possible things that you can do with the gimmick, including the tuxedo to dress.

All the best,

Rob
Message: Posted by: LeeAlex2002 (Sep 29, 2006 08:29AM)
Hi Rob,

The shirt change looks very similar (if not the same) as something described in the book "Quick Change" by Lex Schoppi. Are there any differences in the method that would warrant this not being a copy?

The video clearly shows the method through your shadow when you duck behind the table.

You have certainly done a brave thing by attempting to provide "one size fits all". In general costumes need to be fitted precisely to make them look great on stage, and in order to function properly.

The hoop looks similar to something that is patented to a Russian act. Have you consulted with them on this?

You claim in your show that the change takes less than two seconds, yet in the video it lasts four seconds - why should there be such a discrepancy?

Are your items sewn to order or do you have them "off the peg"? ýf they are sewn to order how long does it take?
Message: Posted by: RJE (Sep 29, 2006 10:08AM)
Hi Lee,

Perhaps the 2 seconds is optimistic. The video is simply a demonstration and not a performance video. I will concede that in the demonstration it is closer to 4 seconds to change from the tuxedo outfit to the dress.

I have been in contact with Lex about the concern you raise. I am aware of his colour change shirt and our product is not the same and I pointed out the differences to him. I have not heard back from him, but hope that he found my information helpful in determining that our product is not an infringement on him.

Although our product can be used to do a colour changing shirt, it is actually designed to be much more. I do not want to give away all of its secrets here on an open forum, but the same gimmick design is used in all 3 of the demonstrations given on the video.

As to the one size fits all, we have created 2 sizes range products in each of the 3 versions of the gimmick. They are quite adjustable in 3 areas, neck, waist and torso length. The adjustments can be done as the gimmick is being put on and takes perhaps 1 minute or less to do so. The design has nine points of fastening, 5 of which are also used to adjust to size.

The gimmick is sold as a unit and the hoop is used for demonstration only in the video. We do not sell it as a routine, however we would sell someone a hoop and a change gimmick if they choose to use them in combination. To the best of my knowledge, however I would stand to be corrected if it is the case, I do not know of a cloth hoop being patented for any magicians' routine. The hoop curtain seems to be a fairly widely used utility prop in a fair number of magician's act and I believe it would be difficult for any one act to lay claim to it.

Anyway Lee, we are not trying to create difficulties with any one with our product or products. We are confident that we are not infringing on any other creator of similar products. We welcome discussion and dialogue with any one who may have concerns and will take the time to answer them within an appropriate time frame.

As to the shadow, ya, I see that now. I will be more careful in the future.

I do wish you all the best and hope that you will see that we not in violation of any person's property.

Thanks for allowing me to respond,

Rob
Message: Posted by: LeeAlex2002 (Sep 29, 2006 11:25AM)
Hi Rob,

I was not accusing,or trying to point the finger, merely asking a couple of questions.
I think you have done the right thing by contacting Lex Schoppi (Sven Schoppenhauer). I am sure he will respond when he gets a moment.

Rob, what about the time it takes to make, or are these already made-up and sold as standard?
I assume that te tuxedo can change to any dress?
Message: Posted by: RJE (Sep 29, 2006 12:34PM)
Hi Lee,

Thank you for your comments. I apolgize if I created any sense of offense (or sounded defensive)in my posting.

Pat sews these gimmicks herself and I cannot say exactly how long it takes her to sew each one, because I honestly don't know. She does them in stages, a few at a time, rather than creating them individually one at a time. They are pre-made and adjustable within various size ranges as described on our the web site to give a very convincing fit and appearance. The adjustments also serve other very specific functions, that I would not want to explain on an open forum.

Yes, you are correct. The tuxedo or shirt and tie can change into different dresses or costumes. The gimmick is specifically designed to accommodate this. The dress or other costume used is not necessarily unique and a performer could probably find something in their closet to use for this. We are considering creating specific clothes for this as well though.

Lee, I respect your postion and talent as a quick-change artist. I have pm'd you to give you a complete description of our gimmick and the main features. I hope this may clear up any concerns you might have about our gimmick and Lex's.

I also wish you nothing but the best,

Rob
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Oct 22, 2006 03:55PM)
I have listed a reply where I inquired about additional information for quick-change.

Hi My Name is Martin Saunders I do the bookings of special events and
conventions for David And Dania If you want specific details please contact me
for those details we are doing a series of master classes world wide and shall
be in Miami at the end of june to perform and conduct master classes. Your
request is of a special nature and we would anticipate a 2-4 hour initial class
and the cost would be in the range of $2500 upwards according to the specific
needs for the costume. The minimum for a master class is $2500. If you need any
further information please contact me at info @ magic-martin.co.uk
Message: Posted by: wally (Mar 7, 2007 05:52AM)
Where can I find info for a black tailcoat change to a white tailcoat. I am in uk.
Message: Posted by: just_larry (May 15, 2007 10:48AM)
Wally,
Kevin James is currently writing for Magic and in one of the last issues of 2006 he describes a quick and simple way of changing from one suit to another in a flash,on stage no curtains.
I am not sure of what issue.
Larry