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Topic: See Pann & Teller's 'Bull****' online free
Message: Posted by: rossmacrae (Aug 17, 2006 09:43AM)
Seems like most/all of the epidodes of Penn & Teller's "Bull****!" from Showtime cable have been posted online - you can see them free at
Message: Posted by: Freak Prodigy (Aug 17, 2006 12:06PM)
Wonderful! This is one of the best shows on television.

Message: Posted by: Joey Stalin (Aug 17, 2006 01:16PM)
I was able to watch it from time to time on Winamp with its media library section in internet tv.
Message: Posted by: RobertBloor (Aug 17, 2006 01:46PM)
Their BS on Gun Control was fabulous. Excellent points.
Afterall, saying "guns kill people" is like saying the deck of cards screwed up the trick.

Also their expose on PETA should be award winning. That PETA denies ties to domestic terrorists and yet right in PETAs very own tax returns are donations of tens of thousands of dollars to ALF - a recognized domestic terrorist group.

These are definitely worth the buy for the DVDs!

Message: Posted by: ryansmagic (Aug 17, 2006 03:52PM)
Is this any better than watching a boot leg magic video? Or getting a photo copy of lecture notes?
Message: Posted by: cgscpa (Aug 17, 2006 04:15PM)
Watching a video posted on Google Video is not the same thing as watching a bootleg video.
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Aug 17, 2006 04:35PM)
Ryan...yes it is...THEY posted them hoping top sell the DVD collections!!!
Message: Posted by: Ellen Kotzin (Aug 17, 2006 08:24PM)
NETFLIX has the collection if you subscribe.

Message: Posted by: ryansmagic (Aug 18, 2006 06:31AM)
On 2006-08-17 17:35, Doug Higley wrote:
Ryan...yes it is...THEY posted them hoping top sell the DVD collections!!!

I agree if Penn & Teller, or the owners of the material, posted it themselves.
Message: Posted by: magicman226 (Aug 19, 2006 11:41AM)
Wow, great stuff. I don't have Showtime, so this is my first time watching!
Message: Posted by: rossmacrae (Aug 19, 2006 05:40PM)
Having now watched several episodes, I have 3 reactions:

I'm glad to know some of this stuff, and to see agile minds and eloquent presenters say some things I wish more people would hear

I'm dismayed to see such one-sided treatments of some issues which cannot not be fairly covered without at least minimal consideration of several points of view (and that means more than just setting up "straw men" and knocking them down)

I'm feeling at a loss to evaluate some issues using only evidence from this source which has shown an unsettling capacity for distortion on other issues.

No, I don't want to hear any of that "teach the controversy" argument from those who espouse utterly failed points of view, but I have always found that you can't really win an argument without being able to acknowledge your opponent's point of view. Penn & Teller's approach can be refreshing, but after awhile their attitude just seems snide. That disappoints me.
Message: Posted by: cardsharpist (Aug 19, 2006 07:31PM)
Penn and Teller have went down hill if you ask me. They seem to be doing less and less magic and more and more promoting there own viewpoint. I would rather watch a talk show.
Message: Posted by: Phil C (Aug 19, 2006 08:08PM)
I actually bought seasons 1 and 2 on DVD.
And now they are free!
Message: Posted by: Chessmann (Aug 19, 2006 10:44PM)
On 2006-08-19 21:08, Phil C wrote:
I actually bought seasons 1 and 2 on DVD.
And now they are free!

Yet another Penn and Teller escapade worthy of the show's name!

But seriously, when watching Penn and Teller "demonstrate" this, or "prove" that, you have to consider the source, and then ask yourself, "Are they trying to fairly weigh the evidence, or do they have an agenda?", and go from there.
Message: Posted by: Bill Nuvo (Aug 20, 2006 07:54AM)
This is the first time I have seen any of the episodes. I actually enjoyed watching them. Whether or not one agrees with their viewpoint, it is important to know both sides of an arguement. Some episodes were very well done.

As for the free issue...well, now that I have seen them, I will buy them because I know that I like it. So when does season three come out?
Message: Posted by: rnaviaux (Aug 23, 2006 07:38PM)
Seems amusing to me that they use psychologist's opinions as th defacto standard or truth by which other things should be judged. I wonder if P&T are doing that intentionally to play a an additional joke on their viewers.

I can see it now: "Oh Dr. Pshyco says its true and he is an authority so it must be true. I guess I can shut off my brains now as we have the esteemed headshrinker to make all my decisions for me."

I guess the title of the show is all encompassing.

Message: Posted by: Jay Are (Aug 24, 2006 11:38AM)
Fantastic program! any word on the new seasons comming out on dvd?
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Aug 24, 2006 11:56AM)
On 2006-08-19 18:40, rossmacrae wrote:... but I have always found that you can't really win an argument without being able to acknowledge your opponent's point of view. ...[/quote]

Is it sensible to address the idea of institutionalized psychosis as a reaction to social and economic stress?

Short of that, it seems sensible to discuss the symptoms till folks can detect the pattern and then look for root causes.
Message: Posted by: Skip Way (Aug 24, 2006 01:44PM)
I don't subscribe to Showtime so I always anxiously await the new DVD sets as they come out...and they are worth every cent. I agree with Ross that sometimes they lay it on a little thick and may stretch a point or two using selective editing & sarcasm; but the shows really do thrust deeper below the B.S. and closer to the truth than we get anywhere else. It stimulates the thought process and adds a new dimension to our own thinking. B.S. pulls us beyond the "Mind Numb Robot" stage and a bit closer to common sense reality. The episode on bottled water was absolutely priceless and spot on target. The Gun Control, Sex and PETA exposures should receive awards. The fact that Penn & Teller acknowledge no sacred cows appeals to me. They attack Republicans, Democrats, all religious sects, celebrated causes, crank charities, even themselves...all with blunt force honesty.

Penn & Teller are doing no more than Master Houdini did in his time. Grabbing the sacred cows by the oysters and exposing the liars and cheats for what they are. they've just updated the "Humbug" to a more modern term & style. And through it all they tell you point blank ... "Don't take our word for it. Who the hell are we to tell you what to think? Get out there! See for yourself! Think for yourself! And don't step in the..."

I love these guys!
Skip :)
Message: Posted by: Ashkenazi the Pretty Good (Sep 12, 2006 03:05AM)
I'm more leaning towards the angle Ross gently outlines above.

Lots of Strawmen; lots of selective presentation of data points and sets. I love it when they skewer superstition and cons. I dislike their dismissal of complex issues (like drug and alcohol addiction) in which they evidence willful naivité.

But I still think they make the world a better place. One more but (or butt): the people who MOST need to see sloppy thinking demonstrated as such are the same people least likely to watch this sort of thing.

It's a conundrum that drives me a bit daffy on some days.


p.s. Why the hell did I log in tonight? Oh yeah - tips on producing...oh yeah! Got it!
Message: Posted by: toni42 (Sep 12, 2006 07:03PM)
Awesome. I own the first season on DVD. Don't get Showtime here in Canada, so the online episodes are great until I can buy more DVDs :)