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Topic: Do You Believe in Real Magick???
Message: Posted by: ssucahyo (Sep 12, 2006 08:26AM)
Fellows, please let me know how many of you believe in Real Magick??
Such as Voodoo, ESP ability, Tarot reading, Ghost, comunication with death people/seance?, etc. :o)
Please let me know....
Cheers,
CC.
Message: Posted by: The Drake (Sep 12, 2006 09:32AM)
I do believe in ghosts as I have had two experiences with them. I also believe there is good and bad karma. ( you reap what you sow ) I also believe that somehow some level of esp exists between some people but not at any level demonstrated in ANY esp act.

I don't believe in ANY physic.. and jerks like John Edwards make my blood boil.

Best,

Tim
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Sep 12, 2006 09:37AM)
Nope.

I only believe in Life.

Oh...and Santa.
Message: Posted by: kregg (Sep 12, 2006 09:38AM)
No, no, no, no, no, etc..., and no.
But, I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night!
Message: Posted by: Jerrine (Sep 12, 2006 09:49AM)
Labeling the things in your list Magick I'm not so sure about but that they are real and get results, yes.
Message: Posted by: Phil C (Sep 12, 2006 09:54AM)
I am both a believer and skeptic.
I believe that their are things that cannot be explained.
But I am very skeptic when in comes to things that involve people, as suggestions and belief systems can be very strong and manipulative.
I am very open minded, so with hard evidence, I am open to all kinds of beliefs.
Message: Posted by: Payne (Sep 12, 2006 10:01AM)
I will believe in tings like ghosts, esp, prognostication and the like when some one presents me compelling evidence for them. So far this has not occurred so I have no reason to believe in any claims of the supernatural.
Message: Posted by: galerius (Sep 12, 2006 10:36AM)
My point of vue on this topic is more or less the same of Phil C. I believe in Supernatural ; that doesn't mean that I believe in "all".
Message: Posted by: irossall (Sep 12, 2006 10:37AM)
I believe in Peter Pan.
Seriously, I think the fact that we are all here, that life exsists at all is Magic in every sense of the word.
The only thing that makes sense to me is an eternal void, which we know does not exsist (our own exsistence is proof enough of that).
As far as ESP and such? Like Payne, I have no first hand experience with such matters but that is definetly not proof.
Big bucks have been publicly offered to anyone who can demonstrate without trickery that they can read Aura's, read Minds and other Psychic phenomenon but no one that I have ever heard of has collected yet.
-Iven :patty:
Message: Posted by: ssucahyo (Sep 12, 2006 11:28AM)
I do not believe supernatural ability...thanks all for your responce.

CC.
Message: Posted by: Keairao (Sep 12, 2006 04:47PM)
Yes, with a but. I thnk that there is a lot we don't understand. I think that there are things which we label supernatural because we can't explain them otherwise. Stuff like ESP (which I'm only about half convinced exists). Many forms of magic (I know Wiccan magic for sure, I'm sure there are others) is kind of a combination of prayer and focusing the will. I believe in that.

Thnk about it. Many, many moons ago, healing with herbs and plants was considered magic. Now we understand how it works and call it pharmacology. Maybe some day the things that are considered supernatural will be explained, and have a new scientific name.

Mostly, I just have to believe that there is more to the world than what we already know.
Message: Posted by: Freak Prodigy (Sep 12, 2006 05:09PM)
[quote]
On 2006-09-12 10:37, Doug Higley wrote:
Nope.

I only believe in Life.

Oh...and Santa.
[/quote]

I second that. ( except, that unlike Doug, I know that my Mommy is really Santa)

Brett.
Message: Posted by: Eddie Garland (Sep 12, 2006 09:29PM)
If you believe in magic, come along with me
We'll dance until morning 'til there's just you and me
And maybe, if the music is right
I'll meet you tomorrow, sort of late at night
And we'll go dancing, baby, then you'll see
How the magic's in the music and the music's in me

Lovin' Spoonful
Message: Posted by: ssucahyo (Sep 12, 2006 09:40PM)
Yes Randy, and do far after long years, no body can not claim it...still no body...!!!
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Sep 12, 2006 09:48PM)
Do you believe in quantum mechanics?
Or all that other stuff we found last century like the placebo effect?

And still wonder about magic(k)?
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Sep 12, 2006 10:08PM)
Jonathan,

The proof of quantum mechanics is not so different than the proof of paranormal activity. The only difference is who is making the claims. Even the biggest quantum boosters admit that prooving quantum theoery will be out of the question for any technology we can forsee having. and yet... Quatum theiry is the only science based explanation for some of the things scientists have found. Paranormal phenomena often has other explanations.

P.S. I loved your 3 fly article. You and I both got our starts at Tannens!
Message: Posted by: Steve V (Sep 12, 2006 10:53PM)
I believe in Doug Higley.
Steve V
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Sep 13, 2006 10:03AM)
While proofs may work in the ideal world of mathematics, reality requires measurements, confidence and experimental design of offer findings of significance.

Where then does that put the will? The will that frames the situation with language and points out that which is to be measured. Obviously will plays a great part in the setup and measurement. Will also has its role in the very language used to express experience. Just how much influence is there due to will alone? Look carefully at the basic expression of an experimental measurement in a basic quantum mechanics book. Over six layers of integrals! No small veil to pierce by insight there. No, our construction puts our willful design and best efforts up front. And from that makes the simplistic T+E measurement seem a nostalgic delight.

Magic(k)? We live in interesting times when such arcane incantations are expected of our most basic measurements.

:)
Message: Posted by: ssucahyo (Sep 13, 2006 11:48AM)
[quote]
On 2006-09-12 23:53, Steve V wrote:
I believe in Doug Higley.
Steve V
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Paulo Cabrita (Sep 13, 2006 06:30PM)
I do not believe!
No way!
I just believe in this life, other, after no body know...nothing that science cannot explain!When we ready a lot of information about science phenomenons we get other vision about life!

Let´s gona enjoy the life!

Paulo
Message: Posted by: irossall (Sep 14, 2006 10:03AM)
Paulo
[/quote][quote]
On 2006-09-13 19:30, Paulo Cabrita wrote:
I do not believe!
No way!
I just believe in this life, other, after no body know...nothing that science cannot explain!When we ready a lot of information about science phenomenons we get other vision about life!

Let´s gona enjoy the life!

True, nobody knows but we many accept that we were non exsistent before this life so I say why not exsist after this life (anything that can happen once can happen again).
-Iven
Message: Posted by: Paulo Cabrita (Sep 25, 2006 06:27AM)
Irossall,
I accept others ideias but nobody died and came back alive to tell how is other life...man has fear of the death creating the fancies to lose fears...But I accept others opinions, and this is mine I live with that and I´m very happy.Look for the talibans they love the death... and look what they do because they have his vision for the life...

Each one lives with its vision and make his life in what they believe.
Regards my friend
Paulo
Message: Posted by: Destiny (Sep 25, 2006 07:07AM)
What about The Easter Bunny - and The Tooth Fairy?

As for John Edwards I thought he was a mediocre Stallone impersonator doing a comedy routine when I first saw him - he is creepy - I'll give him that.

I couldn't watch more than 5 minutes - it's just so cynical and heartless - but if anyone has watched, I have a question.

Are the people who've 'passed' ('passed' my fat bottom - they're dead you idiot) are they always loving and reassuring or does he occasionally strike some of my relatives? You would recognise my relatives because they would be complaining it was boring there and they wanted to come back and roll about drunk in the gutter again.

When he asked if they had any words of encouragement for me, they would

a/ swear a lot
b/ ask me to send money because they were down on their luck
c/ insist I get a real job because entertainment is for losers

PS: This post has inspired me - I am leaving entertainment to become a con artist - sorry, I mean medium.
The voices I hear will be very entertaining - but not suitable for general viewing.
Message: Posted by: coupcoupdaddy (Sep 30, 2006 02:23PM)
Precious autumn
Message: Posted by: precious (Oct 12, 2006 10:02PM)
I have sought after real magic ever since I became interested in conjuring over 75 years ago. I have searched for it first in books and people and, of course, found many claims of its existence. I investigated, and in some cases literally gave myself to, all of the principle religions of the world, as well as many of the more esoteric ones. I sought out philosophers, wise men (and wise women), holy men, gurus, jadugars (jaduwallahs) and magicians, all around the world over a period of many years, in almost 100 countries, but never once have I seen real magic. In India, as many magicians had done before me, I advertised an offer of a substantial reward to anyone who could lead me to a performance of the Indian Rope Trick, done in the commonly accepted manner. No takers. I'd love to see real magic, but at this point, I would be willing to wager all of my worldly possessions that I never will. One positive result of my long and persistent search for real magic is that I have seen a great deal of this wonderful world we live in and the kind and hospitable people who make up the great majority who inhabit it - and I've had the pleasure of seeing a lot of great conjurors perform their "magic". As Jean-Eugene Robert-Houdin so succinctly stated, "A magician is an actor playing the part of a magician". In my opinion, there are no others, now nor in the past.
Message: Posted by: MAKMagic (Oct 12, 2006 10:19PM)
[quote]
On 2006-09-12 10:37, Doug Higley wrote:
Nope.

I only believe in Life.

Oh...and Santa.
[/quote]

Doug Higley IS Santa

I don't necessarily believe, but I think it's rediculous to discredit it's existence. The world was the center of the universe at one point. It was also flat. The way to get rid of a cold (sneezing) was to bash a whole in ones skull to get rid of the demons (god bless you).

Mathematics proves that virutually anything is possible. The patterns that exist in this world are so constant that to think it just happened incidently on the off shoot chance that everything had the perfect conditions to let life and all that has happened since its first spark take place and ONLY on this one planet in this seemingly endless universe is a helluvalot crazier than believing in the unprovable.

But that's just one mans opinion.
Message: Posted by: Patrick Differ (Oct 12, 2006 10:24PM)
Yes.
I mean...
No.
I mean...
Real Majik?
Not yet.
Why do you ask?
Message: Posted by: Marvello (Oct 12, 2006 11:25PM)
[quote]
On 2006-09-12 10:32, Timothy Drake wrote:
I also believe there is good and bad karma.
[/quote]

An easy trap you can fall into is the belief that karma is good or bad. You might subscribe to the notion that "good karma" is like good luck, while "bad karma" is bad luck. These beliefs, while hinting at the truth, are misleading and confusing at best. The doctrine of karma states that one's state in this life is a result of actions (both physical and mental) in past incarnations, and action in this life can determine one's destiny in future incarnations. Karma is a natural, impersonal law of moral cause and effect and has no connection with the idea of a supreme power that decrees punishment or forgiveness of sins. Karmic law is universally applicable, and only those who have attained liberation from rebirth, called mukti (or moksha) or nirvana, can transcend it.

Karma is the universal law of consequences. Any experience of a certain basic intensity will record and generate the necessity for a balance of that intensity. Karma means "(the result of) action", generally taken as a term that comprises the entire cycle of cause and effect. We first take an intent and follow it up with action in the form of thought, speaking to others, planning and execution. According to the Theory of Karma - every action taken to achieve a result or profit (fruit of action) leaves a trace or a karmic residue behind it. It is this residue that keeps accumulating and takes away one's well-being and freedom. Only a person who acts to produce results without worrying about profit (Nishkama Karma or Niskarma) does not accumulate such a Karmic residue. Such action normally comes from love or pure passion. Karma is a sum of all that an individual has done, is currently doing and will do. Individuals go through certain processes and accompanying experiences throughout their lives which they have chosen, and those would be based on the results of their own creations: "karma". Karma is not about retribution, vengeance, punishment or reward. Karma simply deals with what is. The effects of all deeds actively create past, present and future experiences, thus making one responsible for one's own life, and the pain and joy it brings to others. In religions that incorporate reincarnation, karma extends through one's present life and all past and future lives as well. Any action whose motive is other than love or passion begins a process of psychological compensation which is difficult to complete. For example, if we helped somebody when we did not want to, then no amount of compensation helps later as we always feel incomplete. Any incomplete action somehow begins to consume a part of our free attention on how to get rewarded. During our journey of life we accumulate considerable Karmic residue and this depletes our free attention significantly. Lack of free attention means lack of intelligence. Many of the bad situations we get into in life are as a result of a lack of intelligence and attention..

With a decision a human being declares a function that is reused under similar conditions until the decision is revised and the Karma is released. An untrained human usually has several thousands of those functions that represent default actions for every possible situation we have ever encountered. In new situations, we base our decisions on the already made ones, causing our Karma to extend. If the outcome of the decision is a desirable one we call it "good Karma" otherwise it is "bad Karma". In any case is Karma something that limits our possible actions to an automated reaction and should be generally treated as "bad".
Message: Posted by: honus (Oct 13, 2006 09:53AM)
"Well, I believe in the soul . . . The small of a woman's back. The hanging curveball. High fiber. Good scotch. That the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a Constitutional Amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas eve. And I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."

I love [i]Bull Durham[/i].
Message: Posted by: Chad C. (Oct 15, 2006 10:11PM)
All no's to the first post's question. For those who claim to have such powers or abilities - prove it - under my conditions. What can I say, I am a science major and want some proof of this stuff, and I have never seen any. It was sad when I went up to the local pyschic lady and showed her a few tricks - she was amazed and said that that should be impossible - go figure.
Message: Posted by: TWOCAN (Dec 5, 2006 09:18AM)
I believe real magic comes from the heart. Its who you truly are inside that makes you a real magician! And not the so called magician that mimics every thing he sees. But one who can use his own interlect to create his own magic by using what God has given him and not someone else. Find your calling and live real magic for the rest of your life. Paul T
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Dec 5, 2006 09:37AM)
[quote]
On 2006-12-05 10:18, TWOCAN wrote:
...own interlect to create his own magic by using what God has given him and not someone else. Find your calling and live real magic for the rest of your life. [/quote]

As I understand it, magic(K) <- notice the K, is about WILL. YOUR WILL.

Let's leave off any questions about which God(s) are involved in this stuff.

Lots of things depend on what you find comfortable, useful and what sort of internal model you live inside as you deal with existance.
Message: Posted by: freefallillusion1 (Dec 6, 2006 12:35AM)
Years ago, I delivered pizza. One night I delivered to the home of a local "Psychic reader" and when she came to the door, I handed her the pizza and she asked me "What's the total again"?

I swear it happened. I couldn't make that up.

Phil
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Aug 10, 2015 12:36PM)
Why in the world do you think that those with a psychic gift are 'Omniscient" ? Straw man much?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/omniscient
Message: Posted by: Kabbalah (Aug 10, 2015 12:46PM)
Resurrecting a nine year old thread for this?

Wow!
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Aug 10, 2015 12:57PM)
[quote]On Sep 12, 2006, ssucahyo wrote:
Fellows, please let me know how many of you believe in Real Magick??[/quote]
No.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Aug 10, 2015 01:11PM)
[quote]On Aug 10, 2015, Kabbalah wrote:
Resurrecting a nine year old thread for this?

Wow! [/quote]

What's just as amazing is that no one in this ancient thread equated psychic ability with being omniscient. (I did a complete word search on both pages. Prior to Slim, NO ONE even used the word "omniscient.") Nor did anyone even obliquely refer to anything resembling omniscience.

The only straw man, therefore, is the one Slim built himself. As is usually the case.
Message: Posted by: EsnRedshirt (Aug 10, 2015 02:04PM)
The only Real Magick I believe in is necromancy. Forum necromancy.
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Aug 10, 2015 02:58PM)
[quote]On Dec 6, 2006, freefallillusion1 wrote:
Years ago, I delivered pizza. One night I delivered to the home of a local "Psychic reader" and when she came to the door, I handed her the pizza and she asked me "What's the total again"?

I swear it happened. I couldn't make that up.

Phil [/quote]
Look BOB .. here is the Straw Man.... This guy thinks that "Psychic Readers" should know how much the final total of their pizza should be .. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!
Pseudo-skeptics almost always fall into this transParent trap (Get it?)
It proves they assume a psychic reader is supposed to be omniscient...;)
:dancing: :dancing: :dancing:
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Aug 10, 2015 03:07PM)
[quote]On Aug 10, 2015, Slim King wrote:
[quote]On Dec 6, 2006, freefallillusion1 wrote:
Years ago, I delivered pizza. One night I delivered to the home of a local "Psychic reader" and when she came to the door, I handed her the pizza and she asked me "What's the total again"?

I swear it happened. I couldn't make that up.

Phil[/quote]
Look BOB .. here is the Straw Man.... This guy thinks that "Psychic Readers" should know how much the final total of their pizza should be ..[/quote]
Did you miss the word, "again"?

[quote]On Aug 10, 2015, Slim King wrote:
[i]Pseudo-skeptics[/i] almost always fall into this transParent trap . . . .[/quote]
As opposed to [b][i]real[/i][/b] skeptics?

[quote]On Aug 10, 2015, Slim King wrote:
It proves they assume a psychic reader is supposed to be omniscient...;)[/quote]
Not only does it not prove it, it doesn't even offer evidence for it.

Not only have you erroneously extrapolated from a specific observation to a general conclusion, you've misunderstood the specific observation.

I hope that your livelihood doesn't depend on your analytical / synthesis skills.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Aug 10, 2015 03:23PM)
It's obvious that Slim doesn't really understand what "omniscience" means, even though he apparently has found a dictionary.
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Aug 10, 2015 06:01PM)
ROTFLMAO ... So funny. You guys try to make excuses for the old .."Didn't see that coming" fallacy ....
Of course there are Paranormal Events that occur all the time. That's what real magic is!
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Aug 10, 2015 06:18PM)
[quote]On Aug 10, 2015, Slim King wrote:
[T]he old .."Didn't see that coming" fallacy ....[/quote]
The what?

You really should be a comedian; you're funny.

[quote]On Aug 10, 2015, Slim King wrote:
Of course there are Paranormal Events that occur all the time.[/quote]
Please provide incontrovertible evidence of one. Just one.
Message: Posted by: seneca77 (Aug 10, 2015 08:18PM)
Slim/Dave, not only is your trolling getting old...but now you're resurrecting threads from 2006. Don't you have any new material to bore us with?
Message: Posted by: R.S. (Aug 11, 2015 06:08AM)
[quote]On Aug 10, 2015, S2000magician wrote:
Please provide incontrovertible evidence of one. Just one. [/quote]

Bill,

Do you really want to set yourself up for the onslaught of obfuscation, wordplay, and evasion that's about to come?? :-)

Ron
Message: Posted by: imgic (Aug 11, 2015 08:40AM)
I see rabbits holes in the future...many many rabbit holes...
Message: Posted by: landmark (Aug 11, 2015 09:05AM)
LOL.

It is only with great sadness that I announce that the following topic has been locked:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=21&forum=2

Sorry, Slim. It's the oldest thread I could find here, and they locked it. Baztids!
Message: Posted by: Kabbalah (Aug 11, 2015 09:35AM)
[quote]On Aug 11, 2015, landmark wrote:
LOL.

It is only with great sadness that I announce that the following topic has been locked:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=21&forum=2

Sorry, Slim. It's the oldest thread I could find here, and they locked it. Baztids! [/quote]

[url=http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=128889&forum=15]Here is a ten year-old one, but, phone magic IS timeless...[/url]
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Aug 11, 2015 05:22PM)
[quote]On Aug 10, 2015, Slim King wrote:
...those with a psychic gift ... [/quote]

huh? what gift? who?
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Aug 11, 2015 05:50PM)
[quote]On Aug 10, 2015, S2000magician wrote:
[quote]On Aug 10, 2015, Slim King wrote:
[T]he old .."Didn't see that coming" fallacy ....[/quote]
The what?

You really should be a comedian; you're funny.

[quote]On Aug 10, 2015, Slim King wrote:
Of course there are Paranormal Events that occur all the time.[/quote]
Please provide incontrovertible evidence of one. Just one. [/quote]
Déjà vu has NEVER been proven to be anything other than precognition. There have been dozens and dozens of theories throughout the years but there is no proven explanation.. NONE!!!!!! In fact, 97% of all scientists don't agree ... ROTFLMAO (I STOLE THAT NUMBER FROM THE CLIMATE ALARMISTS ;) )No one can even explain why blind people have Déjà vu since they can't even see to begin with.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/paranormal
Science has failed to explain it! :dancing: :dancing: :dancing: :dancing:
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Aug 11, 2015 06:06PM)
[quote]On Aug 11, 2015, Slim King wrote:
[quote]On Aug 10, 2015, S2000magician wrote:
[quote]On Aug 10, 2015, Slim King wrote:
[T]he old .."Didn't see that coming" fallacy ....[/quote]
The what?

You really should be a comedian; you're funny.

[quote]On Aug 10, 2015, Slim King wrote:
Of course there are Paranormal Events that occur all the time.[/quote]
Please provide incontrovertible evidence of one. Just one.[/quote]
Déjà vu has NEVER been proven to be . . . precognition.[/quote]
Fixed that for you.
Message: Posted by: funsway (Aug 11, 2015 06:06PM)
This morning, just happened to be looking up some "common today' definitions of delusion, superstition, conviction, mania, etc. Now I find this thread.

when a person is fixated on a belief in spite of "lack of evidence" they are delusional.

if a number of people share the same delusion it is orthodoxy.

So, if a person with multiple persona has a repeated delusion or possibly "positive illusion" what is it?

Magic is about creating illusions. I'd hate to think mentalism is based on something else. ;)
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Aug 11, 2015 06:17PM)
SEEN IT BEFORE ... please explain how you can see something before it happens .. if you do you'll be the first!!!! ROTFLMAO :cucumber: :coolspot:
Message: Posted by: R.S. (Aug 11, 2015 06:30PM)
[quote]On Aug 11, 2015, Slim King wrote:
There have been dozens and dozens of theories throughout the years but there is no proven explanation.. NONE!!!!!! [/quote]

Sooo... if there is no proven explanation, then how can YOU possibly have one????

Ron
Message: Posted by: R.S. (Aug 11, 2015 06:31PM)
ROTFLMAO.

Ron
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 11, 2015 07:30PM)
[quote]On Aug 11, 2015, R.S. wrote:
ROTFLMAO.

Ron [/quote]


You forgot all the exclamation points otherwise I would have thought you were Slim.
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Aug 11, 2015 07:33PM)
[quote]On Aug 11, 2015, Slim King wrote:
SEEN IT BEFORE ... please explain how you can see something before it happens .. if you do you'll be the first!!!![/quote]
So . . . you're saying that if [b]I[/b] cannot determine the explanation, there isn't one?

I must be smarter than I thought.

Thanks for the boost, Slim.
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Aug 11, 2015 07:37PM)
I suffer from jamais vu. Every now and then, I get up to presque vu, but then I slide back down to jamais vu.

C'est dommage.
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Aug 11, 2015 07:46PM)
[quote]On Aug 11, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
Every now and then, I get up to presque vu, but then I slide back down to jamais vu.[/quote]
You're just not applying yourself.

Slacker.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 12, 2015 02:53AM)
Every time I read one of a slims... oh what to call them... ok posts just to not get banned... I feel as if I am experiencing the exact same nonsense over and over. That is not magic but an apparent lack of faith in the pharmaceutical industry.
Message: Posted by: karnak (Aug 12, 2015 08:41AM)
[quote]On Sep 12, 2006, ssucahyo wrote:
Fellows, please let me know how many of you believe in Real Magick??[/quote]

Well, I did write a novel about it once. (Shameless plug!)

"Stage magic and sleight-of-hand trickery meet ceremonial magic and deadly spiritual warfare when a widowed single mom and her amateur magician teen son are caught in the terrifying occult crossfire between warring lodges of modern Magi, battling for possession of an ancient grimoire (an esoteric textbook of ritual magic) containing the arcane secrets of obtaining immortality and limitless supernatural power. MAGIC is an old-school 'metaphysical thriller' or 'spiritual shocker,' updated and set in contemporary suburbia."
Message: Posted by: ringmaster (Aug 15, 2015 09:34AM)
[quote]On Aug 10, 2015, S2000magician wrote:
[quote]On Sep 12, 2006, ssucahyo wrote:
Fellows, please let me know how many of you believe in Real Magick??[/quote]
No. [/quote]
OK, I do.
No, I will not explain why, here.
Message: Posted by: Starrpower (Aug 15, 2015 12:27PM)
I do not believe in "real" magic. While I concede there are plenty of things we do not understand in the world, I also think that is different from "magic(k)".
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Aug 15, 2015 07:27PM)
What's the difference between someone who believes in Real Magick and someone who believes in God?? After all, BOTH involve the Supernatural. I notice that those who scoff at Magick are the same ones who believe in God. Isn't that contradictory?
Message: Posted by: funsway (Aug 15, 2015 07:42PM)
Jay Sankey offers --

"Being able to make a pack of cards dance is reassuring and beautiful, orchestrating magical effects is marvelous, mystifying other people is enormously satisfying, and thinking of myself as an accomplished and credible magician is very gratifying, but all of those things are dwarfed by something else: the energy, intelligence and creativity living inside each of us.
To be able to “tune into” this seminal vitality, and at the same time inspire others to unconsciously reveal their own true vital selves, and for us all to share, in those few moments, the truth that being alive together is magic, is for me, real magic."
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 15, 2015 07:58PM)
[quote]On Aug 15, 2015, Orville_Smith wrote:
What's the difference between someone who believes in Real Magick and someone who believes in God?? After all, BOTH involve the Supernatural. I notice that those who scoff at Magick are the same ones who believe in God. Isn't that contradictory? [/quote]

Why go there? Seriously what is the point? To inflame others with name calling and mockery? Good job.

As far as I am concerned the "real magic" (K or C.) is not the feeling I get but rather what happens for others.

I was doing busking with balloons of all things and there was a little girl who came to see me EVERY week. She loved it always good people her mom and dad. Then one week she shows up without her mom, had just her dad with her. So I simply asked where her mom was. She said "She is home trying not to die." Turns out her mother was quite sick. Terminal as it were. So in the midst of all of this the little girl wants to come see me to get a balloon to help her mom feel better. Didn't think it had any "magic(K) power other than the ability to make her mom smile at a time which she wasn't really in the mood to do so. Only wanted to make her mother feel more comfortable.

Her father told me that the little girl would not leave her mothers side for any other reason except for this.

There are more stories like this one. To me THAT is what is "magic(K) about what I do. It is not about the tricks or anything else. It is about how people perceive what it is we do and the affect it has on them/
Message: Posted by: Chessmann (Aug 15, 2015 10:39PM)
I believe in the supernatural, but I do not believe that one can simply whip it up on command "like a housewife whips up an omelette" to quote Basil Rathbone as Wolf Frankenstein :) I don't believe that the supernatural is under the control of human beings (though it may seem like it is, at times).
Message: Posted by: Starrpower (Aug 16, 2015 09:15PM)
I don't believe in supernatural, either. If it's there, what would be unnatural or (super)natural, about it? Wouldn't it just be another part of nature?
Message: Posted by: Wizard of Oz (Aug 16, 2015 09:32PM)
[quote]On Aug 15, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:
[quote]On Aug 15, 2015, Orville_Smith wrote:
What's the difference between someone who believes in Real Magick and someone who believes in God?? After all, BOTH involve the Supernatural. I notice that those who scoff at Magick are the same ones who believe in God. Isn't that contradictory? [/quote]

Why go there? Seriously what is the point? To inflame others with name calling and mockery? Good job.

As far as I am concerned the "real magic" (K or C.) is not the feeling I get but rather what happens for others.

I was doing busking with balloons of all things and there was a little girl who came to see me EVERY week. She loved it always good people her mom and dad. Then one week she shows up without her mom, had just her dad with her. So I simply asked where her mom was. She said "She is home trying not to die." Turns out her mother was quite sick. Terminal as it were. So in the midst of all of this the little girl wants to come see me to get a balloon to help her mom feel better. Didn't think it had any "magic(K) power other than the ability to make her mom smile at a time which she wasn't really in the mood to do so. Only wanted to make her mother feel more comfortable.

Her father told me that the little girl would not leave her mothers side for any other reason except for this.

There are more stories like this one. To me THAT is what is "magic(K) about what I do. It is not about the tricks or anything else. It is about how people perceive what it is we do and the affect it has on them/ [/quote]

Dannydoyle, your story regarding the girl is beautiful, and proof that your skills as an entertainer have the power to emotionally captivate and move people. That's something every entertainer - I would hope - aspires to.

But please don't dismiss Orville_Smith's comments so overtly. Objectively, he's absolutely right. It's not a debate. Religion is faith-based, not fact-based. He may not be spot-on regarding those who scoff at "Magick," as that would require some factual support. But philosophically, he's on point. We are all just here...confused, concerned, and continually wondering what "here" actually is.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 16, 2015 09:35PM)
It was a pointless attack. WAY off point sorry.
Message: Posted by: Orville Smith (Aug 17, 2015 07:36PM)
[quote]On Aug 16, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:
It was a pointless attack. WAY off point sorry. [/quote]

Thank you for your apology. I felt certainly shocked when you had accused me of name-calling when I did none at all. Practicing politeness as I always do, I'm very careful that I don't slight anyone.
At the same time, I also want to compliment you. Your experience with your busking left an impression on me. It was heart-wrenching. But your busking turned heart-wrenching into heart-warming. My hat's off to you.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Aug 17, 2015 07:49PM)
It may well be that the moment you choose to acknowledge a belief in continuity or causality - you've entered into the magical.

Just how effective your model of reality is as it concerns your own inner comfort, expectations and results...
Message: Posted by: Steve_Mollett (Aug 17, 2015 08:58PM)
Really?
Message: Posted by: Slim King (Aug 28, 2015 05:33PM)
The new buzz word is SUPERNORMAL!!!!!
Message: Posted by: Steve_Mollett (Aug 28, 2015 07:24PM)
STAGECOACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!