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Topic: Strong Magic Vs. Beyond Secrets
Message: Posted by: Andrew Loh (Sep 19, 2006 10:29AM)
Hi folks,

May I kindly what's the differences in terms of the books between Beyond Secrets by Jay Sankey and Strong Magic by Darwin Ortiz??

I understood these books are focused more towards theories part.

I would appreciate if someone can tell me which book is better compare to the above two.


Message: Posted by: Art-Fantasy (Sep 19, 2006 11:52AM)
Of course, it will be DArwin Ortiz. I had a quick read of beyond seecret this afternoon and it didn't attract me that much. It gave me impression that sankey is pretending to sound intelligent that make him a smart ass twit. while DArwin Ortiz knew what he was doing by giving lots of examples of effects, performers in to let readers het his point. Btw, Ortiz is a memebr of some group that is devoted to people who have high IQ. So, you can pick ur book.
Message: Posted by: Silly Walter the Polar Bear (Sep 19, 2006 11:55AM)
Sankey's book stinks.
Message: Posted by: Steve V (Sep 19, 2006 01:15PM)
Strong Magic is excellent, also look into....oh oh....brain melt...the book by Weber, something Entertainment I think. Someone please post the title as my mind just went blank.
Steve V
Message: Posted by: Merlin C (Sep 19, 2006 02:54PM)
Ken Weber, [i]Maximum Entertainment[/i]. And don't even think of neglecting Eugene Burger and Robert Neale.
Message: Posted by: Steve V (Sep 19, 2006 06:12PM)
Yes! I kept thinking Extreme but it is Maximum.
Steve V
Message: Posted by: Trestkon (Sep 19, 2006 07:29PM)
Haven't read Sankey's book, but I'm currently in the middle of 'Strong Magic' and it's absolutely fantastic. It really makes you think about every aspect involved in magic, and how to make your stuff *way* more effective with spectators.
Message: Posted by: tuffnavyrn (Sep 19, 2006 07:42PM)
Magic & Meaning by Burger & Neale......a great follow-up for Ortiz's Strong Magic.
Message: Posted by: Andrew Loh (Sep 19, 2006 07:57PM)
Hello guys,

Many thanks of your input guys about the books. I am really appreciate it! :)

I will check out Strong Magic soonly as well as other books which some of you recommended highly!

Thanks again!

Best Wishes,
Message: Posted by: michaangelo (Sep 20, 2006 01:14AM)
Strong Magic is huge!!! It will seriously move you to a whole new level. Sankey's book was amusing and useful, but not in the same ballpark.
Message: Posted by: Doug Peters (Sep 20, 2006 07:17AM)
I am currently re-reading "Maximum Entertainment". For my money, it is worth far more than "Magic and Meaning", "Strong Magic" and Fitzkee combined. Don't overlook it.
Message: Posted by: Mark Ennis (Sep 20, 2006 07:46PM)
Strong Magic gets my vote. I've heard great stuff about Ken Weber's book as well.
Message: Posted by: duanebarry (Sep 20, 2006 11:26PM)
Some people make it sound like Strong Magic contains all the Answers. It doesn't. No one book could do that.

Rather, each book contributes to a larger conversation.

In addition to those cited above, Tommy Wonder's essays in The Books of Wonder are also useful. So is Giobbi's section on theory in Card College 2.
Message: Posted by: ferryascanio (Sep 21, 2006 09:42PM)
Strong magic & maximum entertainment, hands down...