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Topic: Need another way to die...
Message: Posted by: gsidhe (Oct 24, 2006 09:19AM)
Hi all!
I'm doing a big gore/shock show this Friday, and I am out of ideas.
We are doing two shows and I need one more good solid and messy death in a Hellraiser type of show.
We are doing two seperate acts- One with a "Hills Have Eyes" kind of feel, the other with Cenobites.
In the Hills show, we have a strangulation and bloodletting, eye gouge and achilles tendon slicing, disembowelment via intestine winding device, and a scalping/brain exposure.
So far in the Hellraiser show, we have arm hooking, impreganation and belly explosion through a horiffic contraption, and a large meathook through the back.
I need a way to kill the girl on the meathook.
I'm thinking about ripping out her heart or other internal organ (Psychic surgery style), but I'd like to see if anyone else has any brilliant ideas. Simple, cheap and quick are key.
Does not have to be a migic illusion, but more FX.
Methods welcome through PM. General ideas, please post here.

Really wish I already had bought gutbuster though...
(Grumbles)
Gwyd
Message: Posted by: JPK (Oct 24, 2006 10:07AM)
Good morning.

Already hanging by the meat hook through the back. Wht not have the feet tied to rope on a real and pull her down thust leaving a bloody spine left on the hook?
JPK
Message: Posted by: magus (Oct 24, 2006 10:10AM)
Chainsaw-
soak the blade in blood, when you turn it on you should get a good spatter pattern on the wall
Message: Posted by: Mystician (Oct 24, 2006 03:08PM)
Don't forget to remove the chain of course ! ;-)

Actually, I don't quite get the "need" to 86 somebody on a meat hook - I mean, isn't that enough ? lol
But if you must, make them listen to the Backstreet Boyz until their head explodes.
Okay, maybe not, you don't want to torture your patrons too.

I love the idea of ripping her in two, but that would not be easy to pull off (no pun intended).

Connect an "electrical" cord to the meathook and watch her fry ! BBzzzzzzTT !
Message: Posted by: JPK (Oct 24, 2006 03:22PM)
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On 2006-10-24 16:08, Mystician wrote:
Don't forget to remove the chain of course ! ;-)

Actually, I don't quite get the "need" to 86 somebody on a meat hook - I mean, isn't that enough ? lol
But if you must, make them listen to the Backstreet Boyz until their head explodes.
Okay, maybe not, you don't want to torture your patrons too.

I love the idea of ripping her in two, but that would not be easy to pull off (no pun intended).

Connect an "electrical" cord to the meathook and watch her fry ! BBzzzzzzTT !

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Yes, a strobe and some sound and the electrical effect would be great. Oh yes and lots of twitching.

Depending on how the person is actually hung, having the body ripped off if it while leaving just a spinal colum and perhaps a bit of skull as well, (think Predator), could be done cheap and easily reset.
JPK
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Oct 24, 2006 07:26PM)
Some people can croak just by pulling their head out of their butt. Might be an interesting presentation! Sound effects could be fun too!
Message: Posted by: egregor (Oct 24, 2006 07:37PM)
DOUG,DOUG,DOUG, Such eloquence!
Message: Posted by: Bill Ligon (Oct 24, 2006 08:13PM)
I agree with Doug. And most of 'em can't see where they're going when they drive.

Bill
Message: Posted by: Harlequin (Oct 24, 2006 09:31PM)
I'm assuming this is a show for an old folks home? :goof:

As for the girl on the hook, you could cut off her legs, maybe from around the knees and have her bleed out.
Message: Posted by: Wolflock (Oct 25, 2006 03:44AM)
How about biting out a great big chunk from the throat??? Horror Make up will be easy for that. Good bloody effect too.

Regards
Wolflock
Message: Posted by: John Nesbit (Oct 25, 2006 03:55AM)
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On 2006-10-24 20:26, Doug Higley wrote:
Some people can croak just by pulling their head out of their butt. Might be an interesting presentation! Sound effects could be fun too!
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There are people who need to do that anyway. ;)
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Oct 25, 2006 12:51PM)
Take a full can of Lysol and spray it on their tongue.

Better yet take ALL the money out of their wallet and send it to me. I'll take that dough and kill myself with kindness.

What is this thread anyway? A bid to get on O'reily?
Message: Posted by: Prof. Pabodie (Oct 25, 2006 01:12PM)
Explain that the hook had not been properly sanitized and the girl dies from e-coli poisoning.
Message: Posted by: gsidhe (Oct 25, 2006 01:31PM)
Yep...Doing this for an Old Folks Home- Shady "Argh...It's coming, get it off me, get it off me, getitoffmeeeeeee" Acres.
And yes...We need to kill the girl on the meathook. It is just used to immobilize her whilst I go do something else equally as horriffic. She's not completely suspended by it, just tethered.

Hrmmm....Ripping out spine would be good if I could modify the harness a bit.
Chainsaw...Good but not very Hellraiser.
Ripping her in half- Oh how I wish I could.
Electrocution (Should've expected that from you Myst)- Very appealing, but we also have a grinder girl in the same set, so the impact of the sparks would be lost (I was all about it until I thought through the rest of the act).

Head out of Butt...

Moving on.

Leg severing...This is a live person, and she'd probably be cranky having to remove a leg for the act. (OK...I don't have time to cast the prosthetics)
Biting out throat...Now there is an Idea. Nice and simple.

Lysol on tongue- that's just yucky.
Sending Higley Money so he can kill himself with kindness- She's a performer. Not enough cash to give you a papercut of happiness, let alone killing with kindness.
E-coli on a hook- Gwyd Starts banging his head against his desk.

Good ideas all.
Well...Good ideas most! ;)
Any more?
Gwyd
Message: Posted by: Keairao (Oct 25, 2006 05:34PM)
We tear out a clowns guts in a burlesque dance. If your girl will be wearing a top, it's fairly easy to do. Very messy and gory. Can be done for under $10, it won't stand up to close scrutiny, but on stage it looks pretty good. E-mail me if you want the directions we follow.

We also shot a fellow while hanging from hooks. We couldn't get a good gun shot wound to appear when the gun went off, so he sort of threw his head back, spat out a lot of blood, then when his head came back into full view, it was just all bloody.

I like the electrocution idea.....may have to borrow that one!
Message: Posted by: JPK (Oct 25, 2006 06:25PM)
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On 2006-10-25 18:34, Keairao wrote:

I like the electrocution idea.....may have to borrow that one!
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I'm thinking paint a skull in the face and bones on any exposed skin with make up sensitive to u.v. light. Shine that along with a strobe and the right sound effect and it should produce a pretty cartoon like electrcution effect. I'm going to have to try this myself.
JPK
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Oct 25, 2006 09:53PM)
Put the hook through her belly or side. Then you can use the chainsaw, and cut out her spine.

When she sags, you can rip out her heart.

Perfect background music is Barney the Dinosaur's "I Love You". It's the best of all possible worlds!
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Oct 25, 2006 10:52PM)
Rent the Dead Like Me DVD's. There are some excellent methods there.
Message: Posted by: magus (Oct 25, 2006 11:50PM)
"Don't forget to remove the chain of course ! ;-)"

Remove The Chain? REMOVE THE CHAIN?
You can't get a spatter pattern by removing the chain!!!

Mystician, where's the fun, where's the fear? Remove the chain and you have to find someone who can act, who will LOOK afraid when you lunge at them with the chainsaw. But if you leave the chain on, ANYONE will look scared, and the supply of talentless people is much larger than that of the theatrically skilled.
Oh, that reminds me- LOOKING FOR VOLENTEERS! contact me for the oppertunity to play hardened steel roulette.

Pat
Message: Posted by: Midnight333 (Oct 26, 2006 12:41AM)
Hey guys! Mystican let me out of the basement for a while.... hows it going? The advent of my 333rd post is near, so save that girls soul for me, I'll need it. Hanging from a hook? Why not drop her into a wood chipper, Im sure it would not be hard to mock one up, and uses a plant bug sprayer for the splatter. Cheers!
Message: Posted by: Marvello (Oct 26, 2006 07:36AM)
Make her eat tainted spinach
Message: Posted by: Sylver Fyre (Oct 26, 2006 01:07PM)
Midnight you can't have the souls... especially since I'm playing one of the victims, and well someone already has a claim on mine...

Personally I wish we were able to hang her by her hands and have a centibite rip off strips of flesh from her slowly and sexy like but the ceiling at this place doesn't have the supports.
Message: Posted by: Thetruthteller (Oct 26, 2006 01:33PM)
Here's Twenty-Six ways to meet your maker.

http://www.admetam.org/arsmoriendi/
Message: Posted by: Mystician (Oct 26, 2006 03:28PM)
Awright Midnight, you've had your time, now get back down there !
BTW, that was a pretty good idea with the wood chipper.

Magus, my bad, did I type remove the [i]chain[/i] ? I meant, don't forget to remove the [i]guard[/i], uh.. if there is one..

Fantasy moment: Gwyd, this won't help you a whole lot, but I just bought a lumidisk that's only 3" wide and battery powered - really portable and very kewl.
So now, I picture a sort of clear plastic suit that has two layers, and the inner section is filled with phospors and electrodes that create that cool plasma/lightning effect, all over the body. I'm sure somebody could do it, given time and money, anyway.

Okay, more ideas:

1) Shoot her in the neck with a blowgun
2) Shoot her with a gun/rifle and use squibs - simplistic, huh ? Okay, here's more creative stuff-
3) Got a green laser pointer ? Build a prop around it and slice her up ala Jame's Bond in "Dr. No"
4) Drop her in a tank full of pirhana. Have a huge payload of alka-seltzer on her to make the water "bubble" with "activity".
5) Hire a falconer to train his bird to go tear her liver out like Promethius ;)
6) Burn her using those fake flame torches and maybe some ultrasmoke 2000 strapped on each leg. Nah, not very visual I guess.
7) Pull a switcheroo that no one is expecting: as the torturer/executioner walks under her, she grabs him around the neck with her legs and snaps his neck !
Message: Posted by: Bill Ligon (Oct 26, 2006 04:17PM)
All those are good, Myst, but I like number 7. Number 4 is a close second. (How can 4 be second? :confused: )
Message: Posted by: magus (Oct 27, 2006 01:37AM)
Mystician-
Sounds like a bank job- Remove the guard with a chainsaw...
Pat
Message: Posted by: Wolflock (Oct 27, 2006 02:26AM)
ROTFLMAO @ Pat. Now there is a mind that I like!

How about a Coat hanger up the nose and pull the brains out. Egyptian Style.

Regards
Wolflock
Message: Posted by: gsidhe (Oct 27, 2006 02:40PM)
Keairao, we already doing an intestine pulling with a nail studded barbeque styled crank...We'll have to compare methods! Guns don't match the hellraiser theme unfortunately.
JPK- The UV strobe idea is cool as heck. Can't pull it together for this one, but will definately use it in the future.
Harley- Sidehook instead of the spine- Love it, but will need to make a new harness. Archiving for future use. Probably will be going with the heart being ripped out thing though.
Bill- Dead like me was out of the video store. Going to have to archive that one as well.
Marvello- Ew.
Sylver- You know durned well we have ripped skin off before. Naiomi's thighs and Sara's back.
Was pretty sexy though...
Truth Teller- always loved that artwork.
Oh...Midnight- Love that idea! The woodchipper is brilliant and really simple! Guarantee it will make an appearance at future shows! Thanks!!
Mystician- Fantasy moments are allowed...the suit would be very cool. My costuming is all tubes and flowing green liquids and a lip spreader that exposes most of my teeth. Looks cool, but is definately not comfortable.
Blowgun- Not visual enough for this show, but I was already working on a blowgun catch routine for this summer. Cool.
Knifing and blood squibs are already being used in the Hills have eyes show later in the night.
Green laser pointer- Not bad, but all of my lasers are attached to the heads of radio controlled sharks in the moat right now.
Tank of Pirhanas and alkaseltzer- I'm thinking instead of pihranas making it acid. Not sure how it will play from stage though.
Falconer tearing out her liver- Urm...Yeah....Best I could do is have a grumpy dove sit on her head.
The Switch/Reversal- Actually is what happens in most of our shows. I grab the girls in one form or another, and they turn the tables on me. For once, I get to be victorious!! Mwahahahaha!
Wolflock- I'm the blockhead in the group, and don't think I could train Trish to do it in time.

So, the time is up.
The show is in about four hours.
Great ideas, and thank you to EVERYONE!! Got a lot of stuff to work on for future shows, for tonight...
I think I am going to go with the hook in the back, plunge a hand into her chest and pull out the heart.

Next show, I'm going to hang her by her spine while singing Barney's "I love you!", lower her into an electric woochipper with a bunch of tainted spinach, half way through push the chipper into a bathtub so she is electrocuted and when the ducks come out to eat her liver she'll come back to life and shove my head up my bum.

Now THAT is going to be one heck of a show!!!!

Wish me luck tonight! It's going to be a messy tough show!
Gwyd
Message: Posted by: Mystician (Oct 27, 2006 02:56PM)
I think by far, the most horrible, gruesome and inhumane suggestion of all was playing the Barney theme.

*shivers*
Message: Posted by: Wolflock (Oct 28, 2006 02:30AM)
Pul out your own brains with this effect in the beginning and make it look like that has made you brainless and insane.
Message: Posted by: Prof. Pabodie (Oct 28, 2006 11:06AM)
This is for an old age home? I would like to hear how it went. Could you update us, Gwyd?
Message: Posted by: gsidhe (Oct 30, 2006 10:15AM)
Sure enough!
*****Warning- Graphic Violence is described- Read at your own caution****
The show went really really well. The 10 bands we shared the space with were...well...
Imagine a muppet gargling on peanut butter laced with razor blades and draino. Multiply by ten bands and you pretty much have the musical tone of the evening.
But attendance was good, had a pretty good sized house, and most of them had not seen us perform before, so they didn't know what to expect.
The first act we did (the Hellraiser bit), went well with a small hitch. It started with three girls playing with a puzzle box in front of the curtain. They opened the box, and the curtain opened to reveal the Cenobites (Myself-I was covered with clear tubing attached to my wrists, throat and back filled with greenish liquid and Naiomi- 6'2", rail thin with her mouth cut back from the corners of her mouth to her ears). One of the three girls pushed Sylver up to us on the stage. I went to put a hook into Sylver's arm, but the gimmick had worn off on one of her arms, so couldn't get it to stick. I left her with the other Cenobite to restrain her. The crowd was really into it and getting pretty rowdy until I put the meathook into one of the girls back and then proceded to drag her around the stage. They were more than a little freaked out by that. I could hear one girl yelling to her boyfriend that it was real and that I was killing the girl on stage in front of her.
I tied her off and went to change Pussykatt into a Cenobite (Put on her grinder girl getup)and while she did her grinding act, I put one of the tubes connected to my throat up under Sylvers skirt and went into convulsions. This caused the fluids I had running through my system to flow up the clear tube and impregnate Sylver. Her stomach expanded and then exploded in a burst of foul smelling foam. At the same time, Naiomi went to the girl with the meathook and did a psychic curgery, removing the heart.
The two tortured girls died and were taken back behind the curtain by Naiomi and I leaving the Pussykatt in front of the curtain alone. Then she was grabbed and dragged under the curtain to be torn apart.
All of the FX besides one hook went off flawlessly, and people were scared to talk to me afterwards.

The second act was the "Hills Have Eyes" bit.
I had all of the girls preset on stage besides Sylver, who was with me off stage. Pussykatt was in a bloody bathtub, Naiomi on a table under an oddish device and Trish (Our meathook girl) was tied to a chair.
The music came up, the curtain opened, and I carried Sylver under my arm kicking and screaming to drop her center stage (I had my hair down all stringy over my face, white tank t-shirt and ragged black jeans, all covered in dried blood)
She tried to crawl away, so I grabbed her by the ankle and slashed her achilles tendon with a butcher knife. Then proceded to pull her head back and put out her eyes with my thumbs.
Now that she couldn't go anywhere fast (She spent the rest of the show crawling around the stage finding implements of torture and victims- Poor thing had stage blood all over her eyes and reall couldn't see!!), I turned my attention to Naiomi, slitting her stomach, pulling out intestines and hooking them to the gut winding device and cranking them free of her body. Next I went to Trish and slit her scalp, ripping it open with my fingers to release the ooze beneath (Rasberry jam and stage blood...It was tasty!!!), then I went to Pssykatt, threw a noose aroung her wrists, pulling her up, slashing her wrists and then drowning her in the tub of her own blood.
At last I returned to Sylver, cut part of her shirt off (Not all...It's not that kind of show!!)and strangled her to death before slitting my own wrists.
The curtain closed, then reopened, and we all stood up to take bows and blow bloody kisses to the crowd.
The people in front by the stage looked like they had been to a nightmare version of Gallagher, blood and bits all over them. They loved it though!
You know they like a show when they still want to shake your hand or give you a hug and you are covered in gore.
I do love this type of work, although it is not as serious or thought out as the Bizarre magic I so adore. We get to take the audience to somewhere they never get to go in person. People love horror movies, but the experience is muted. They can look away, pause it on a DVD, escape from it in some way without difficulty. In an on stage "Horror Movie" which is what these really are, they hear live human screams, they can smell things (The vinegar smell of Sylvers exploding belly, the smell of heated metal from the grinder) they feel the spray of warm blood. There is no removal, there is no distance, they can see a look of fear or a bead of sweat as it drips.
It is almost total immersion.
Theatre is all about making an audience feel an emotion, any emotion, to have a degree of empathy for the characters involved. To live through an experience with the people on stage. In this case, we were trying to evoke revusion and fear.
I think we did that pretty well.
And we never actually talk in our acts, the only sound you will ever hear above the music is screams, yelling and the occasional rage filled roar.

Wow...

I just realized we are evil mimes.

Sweet!

Gwyd
If anyone is curious how the effects were done live, let me know via PM. All were very simple and VERY effective. I am all about sharing my methods.
(And if anyone is offended by the content of this post, I apologise. T'was not my intent at all. It's one of my shows, it's what I do, and I am very proud of it. But it is very close to the edge of what can be done on stage, and the edge can be disturbing. So, if the content bothered you, again, I am truly sorry. Feel free to PM me and I will make the apology more personal.)
Message: Posted by: gsidhe (Oct 30, 2006 10:22AM)
Oh...And no...It wasn't REALLY for an old age home...
Message: Posted by: Prof. Pabodie (Oct 31, 2006 11:13AM)
Fantastic! It sounded like a great show. It also sounds like you take Grand Guignol and leave it far behind in the dust. Thanks for the detailed post, Gwyd. And I'm sure there are some members of the senior community who would get a kick out of it! :)