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Message: Posted by: Chezaday (Dec 15, 2006 04:02PM)
Help .. my stash of bulbs is running low. Does anyone have a source for the GE Showcase bulbs that are used with this illusion?? They are 40 Watts and about 10.5 inches long. There are a few versions out on the market, all using this type of bulb.

If anyone has any bright ideas .. that would be great.

Message: Posted by: ClintonMagus (Dec 15, 2006 04:49PM)
Is this what you are looking for?


Amos McCormick
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Dec 15, 2006 05:27PM)
John Bundy that this is one of the problems with this illusions is the bulbs are not used as common as they once were.

Maybe it's time to convert to Neon?

Message: Posted by: Jack Murray (Dec 15, 2006 05:46PM)
Or Plasma!

Message: Posted by: Spellbinder (Dec 15, 2006 08:33PM)
Or lucite rods that light up from any light source placed at one end (the fiber optics principle in a larger rod).
Message: Posted by: John Bundy (Dec 15, 2006 08:55PM)


Message: Posted by: Chezaday (Dec 16, 2006 12:05AM)
Thanks .. I knew I could find some help here on the good old Café.

Message: Posted by: majik (Dec 16, 2006 09:08AM)
Modify to say light sabers.{ read as be creative]
Message: Posted by: Chezaday (Jan 5, 2007 01:50PM)
Just wanted to let everyone know that I found my 40T8C bulbs online @ bulbs.com. The price was half the price of Grainger, including shipping. I just got my order today .. very fast shipping with DHL.

Here is a quick tip for anyone with this type of illusion. There is a lubricant we use on the bulb and socket. This makes it much easier to remove the bulbs for packing. Its called Bulb & Socket Lube by Aura .. and it comes in a little orange container. It really does the trick .. who know what other uses you may find??

Thanks again to my magic friends online.

Message: Posted by: Ms. Morgan (Jan 6, 2007 01:07AM)
"bulb and socket lube"..................no, I can't go there..must be good...

Message: Posted by: Michael Messing (Jan 6, 2007 08:52AM)

Where do you get the Bulb & Socket Lube? A quick Google search didn't find anything.

Also, how good are the bulbs you purchased? I've had problems before with bases that were crooked.

Message: Posted by: wonderbott (Jan 6, 2007 10:26AM)
I am very interested in a source for this project for around the HOUSE if nothing else!
Message: Posted by: Chezaday (Jan 6, 2007 10:37AM)
Good to see Mistress Morgan chiming in .. everything is better with a little socket lube on it.

Now back to the illusion .. the bulbs are not GE but they look good, not junk. Many imported bulbs have a lower standard of quality. The brand on these are Bulbrite and are made in China. Most likely the GE bulbs are also made in China by under-paid children .. I've said too much.

The lube I mentioned, for the sockets, I purchase from home supply store called Menards. They are only in the Wisconsin / Illinois area .. but it might even be available at Home Depot?? If not drop me a note and I'll pick some up for you and drop it in the mail.

More lube talk next time .. here on the Café!

Message: Posted by: MCM (Jan 6, 2007 10:43AM)
Menards is up here in MN as well. (Oh, thanks Steve, I got their jingle running in my head now AUUUGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!).

Oh, and Ms. Morgan, please be as BAD as you want to be.
Message: Posted by: Jack Murray (Jan 6, 2007 10:45AM)
Menards is here in Indiana too!
Message: Posted by: Michael Messing (Jan 6, 2007 10:55AM)
Thanks for the info and the offer, Steve. I think I just found the bulb & socket lube (I changed my Google search words.) [url=http://www.lightbulbsdirect.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=SOCKETLUBE&Category_Code=ScktLube&Product_Count=0]lightbulbsdirect.com[/url]

Message: Posted by: Chezaday (Jan 6, 2007 12:52PM)
I'm glad we're all lubed and ready to go now ...

Message: Posted by: vj022 (Jan 6, 2007 04:02PM)
I thought the lube was for only one special bulb????
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Jan 6, 2007 04:40PM)
On 2007-01-06 02:07, Ms. Morgan wrote:
"bulb and socket lube"..................no, I can't go there..must be good...
NO!!! LOL [/quote]

Ms. Morgan, you just SLAYED me with that one! Ha!

Wow...today was not my best day (at work), but you just made it good!

I OWE ya one...

Message: Posted by: Marshall Thornside (Jan 7, 2007 03:11PM)
We sold a set to Jim when we were cleaning
the garage out a while back.

Dad would keep a stash of everything...especially
those bulbs, since he still has an unfinished LBC.
Message: Posted by: WolfgangWollet (Jan 7, 2007 04:32PM)
We have the Owens Model and use the 75T8C which are a little brighter for stage use than the 40 Watt model.
And yes, bulbs.com is a lifesaver as most of Las Vegas stores are not carrying them in stock any more. One a while we get lucky at the bulbman....
Message: Posted by: Marshall Thornside (Jan 14, 2007 03:12PM)
Never in the life of me
have I ever heard of
bulb and socket lube

the new things you learn
every single day.
Message: Posted by: Jack Murray (Jan 14, 2007 03:28PM)
Certain lightbulbs create enough heat so that the metal end of the bulb and the socket "seize" together making it very hard to unscrew the bulb without breaking either the bulb or twisting the glass from the base completely. The lube prevents this.

Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Jan 14, 2007 09:32PM)
Yes, Jack is correct. I heard this on a talk radio handyman show one morning.

Message: Posted by: The Donster (Jan 15, 2007 04:46AM)
The Lube is also Called DiElectric Grease you can use it on the bulbs for your car as well.
Message: Posted by: Chezaday (Jan 16, 2007 06:49PM)
I have to admit .. I used some lube today. The bulb in my closet went out .. so every time I replace a bulb .. I get the old Socket Lube out.

Oh .. I was at Menards today .. I think I saw Jack near the swimming pool supplies.

Message: Posted by: Chezaday (Jul 27, 2009 12:56AM)
Yes, this is an old post but .. now I've got a new dilemma. I just read in the paper that GE plans on shutting down it's last American incandescent bulb factory. Of course the 40 watt bulbs I'm using now are made in China but not for long.

Other countries are following the trend for energy-efficient light bulbs, resulting in the the elimination of these types of bulbs.

So, where do we go from here?? Is there a replacement for this type of showcase bulb?? I can't even imagine what's next ..

Message: Posted by: EsnRedshirt (Jul 27, 2009 01:06PM)
As mentioned above, you may have to convert to Lucite rods with a more standard bulb type at one end to illuminate the rod. TAP Plastics might be able to help- they do custom orders, and can probably shape tubes or rods to your specifications. Search 'em online for a location near you. (I think they can take online orders as well.)
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Jul 27, 2009 02:10PM)
I love the energy efficient bulbs. The first thing you do when one breaks in your home is call Hazmat so the mercury does not escape.

I wonder what that does to the enviroment..

Message: Posted by: gulamerian (Jul 27, 2009 02:11PM)
Westinghouse. I just bought a bunch of bulbs today. I even asked if they were planning on stopping the manufacturing of these bulbs. They said no.
Message: Posted by: Chezaday (Apr 16, 2010 12:27AM)
So .. I discovered a new problem today with the bulbs. We were rehearsing with the prop and one of the bulbs just wouldn't line up in the frame. Under closer examination I noticed that the bulb was separating from the metal base of the bulb!

The GE brand bulbs are holding up just fine, the other bulb was a generic brand from China. The very same thing happened with the next bulb I replaced it with. It was still lit but, the glue keeping things together failed. Now I'm getting concerned as my only source for these bulbs are problematic. Can these be glued and repaired?

It's just another thing to get messed up ..

Message: Posted by: tropicalillusions (Apr 16, 2010 10:08AM)
For the best Bulb and socket lube, I have found the creamy filling of twinkies to be the absolute best.
Message: Posted by: makeupguy (Apr 18, 2010 01:13PM)
Id'd be dollars to donuts that some 5 min epoxy at the base of ALL of your Chinese bulbs would keep them in place. It's heat resistant.. and somewhat clear. One othe thing that would do the job.. and is INDESTRUCTABLE is epoxy putty in the plumbing section of Home Depot... it comes in a long tube.. and you kneed it to mix it (with gloves on).. you'd have to be a bit more careful as it's black.. but it's heat proof and will certainly out last the bulb.

IN the short term.. and it won't be cheap... I'd look into finding a way to replace all your incandescent bulbs on this prop with something LED. Honestly, I'm surprised that some entrepeneur hasn't come up with some sort of conversion kit.. that would just step down the power and used the existing sockets. Hmmm.. food for thought. Most people don't' know you can have custom lightbulbs made for not so much money... if you buy 1,000 at a time. since the illusion uses several, and other guys use the illusion.. several of you could go in and fill the whole order I'm sure.

I used to have one of the big owen versions. and I know what a tempermental pain the ass they are. I've never had an assistant cut themselves.. but I've hear horror stories. I never liked the mechanics of the screw system, it should have been lower as the asssistants weight on the moving shelf always made the leverage a bit "off".
Message: Posted by: Chezaday (Apr 18, 2010 05:23PM)
Excellent suggestion .. I'm going to give the Epoxy a try. I'll let you know how it goes.

Thank you for the suggestions!

Message: Posted by: Chezaday (Apr 19, 2010 12:23AM)
My good friend John Bundy told me to try the Epoxy after he read my post. Sure enough, I think it did the trick. As he suggested, apply the epoxy to each bulb when they are still new in the box. I couldn't reset the socket properly on the damaged bulbs. They just wouldn't line up properly.

The epoxy dried clear and we'll see how well they hold up in the show this week.

Message: Posted by: rocky clements (Apr 19, 2010 05:59PM)
I have the large Owen cabinet model, and I haven't found it to be as difficult or temperamental as it's reputation. In fact, my wife prefers it over all the other illusions we have because she basically just has to "stand there", as opposed to being a contortionist in all the other boxes. The only thing we have found imperative is that she doesn't bump any of the bulbs getting into the cabinet so that they are not bumped out of alignment. As to the light bulb availability issue, so far we haven't had a problem. Our local lighting store has ordered them for us twice. I don't know if they are the cheap Chinese bulbs or not, but they have been fine for about three years now. I bought a lifetime supply on the last order.
Message: Posted by: Marshall Thornside (Apr 19, 2010 07:34PM)
I am guessing rocky that the owen cabinet is a much later model.

I know that Blackstone, Jr. hated his and actually destroyed it
and then asked for the 8th and last one to be built for him.
Of all those were specifically built for Henning, Wilson,
Reveen and Blackstone, Jr they are considered the best...

I understand that the owen model was just poorly made and
had nothing of the improvement done that were written about
by Paul Osbourne.

Its not so much the illusion that is the most amazing one
around but the bulbs is what can stop you in your tracks.

too bad there isn't a "bulb r' us" store, huh?
Message: Posted by: Chezaday (Apr 19, 2010 11:42PM)
There actually is .. it's online, simply bulbs.com. This of course is where I got my latest shipment. The price is right and they are delivered fast. The extra step of adding the epoxy to the bulbs is just an extra step but, well worth the money I saved overall. The bulbs are less than six dollars in quantity .. you can't beat that!

Message: Posted by: David Charvet (Apr 21, 2010 12:53AM)
Somewhat off-topic, but I have to chime in on that other great old light bulb illusion, "Canary In Light Bulb" which is entirely non-PC today (I did actually perform it up until a few years ago with a version where the bird was never actually in the bulb.) But... In the "good old days" Virgil featured an original version of the bird-in-bulb, which required an oversized blown bulb with no base or filament so the bird would fit inside (this style bulb was also used by others who did the trick.)

Well, during his world tour, in 1955 Virgil was running low on bulbs so he went to Cromptons, a light bulb manufacturer in England and had them make a run of special bulbs for the trick. This was something he could never get G.E. to do in the U.S. Cromptons did it, but they required Virgil to order something like 1,000 bulbs.

Julie told me that when they shipped all of those bulbs back to America they put a few boxes in every one of their crates and trunks. That way, if one trunk were dropped, not all of the bulbs would be broken. A good idea - and shows what pros Virgil and Julie were. By the way, they still had bulbs left over after Virgil gave his last show in 1978!
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Apr 21, 2010 01:01AM)
Abbott's Magic use to sell the Canary in light bulb effect with the blown open ended bulbs. They had them in the showroom until about the mid 1980's even after they stopped selling the complete effect. To bad as I would like to do the effect now.
Message: Posted by: hugmagic (Apr 21, 2010 08:04AM)
Horace Marshall used to import these from Germany and you will see it listed in his early ads in the 1930's.

Birch had a great photo taken by Maurice Seymour of it as he featured it.

Besides the difficulties of getting the bulbs, the price of canaries went too high to continue to do this. Canaries are not the hardiest birds for doing this type of effect.

Stephanie Griswald did this effect at Abbott's maybe 15 or 20 years ago. She used apparatus made by Walter Shepard. It is a hard effect to see without the proper staging and lighting in a big venue. It is more of a parlor effect. I am sure that Virgil and Birch figured out how to light and present it.

David..interesting notes on the Virgil bulbs.

Message: Posted by: Marshall Thornside (Apr 21, 2010 08:57AM)
Very interesting indeed David.
Can't wait to see you again at the MCA and
hear your presentation.
Message: Posted by: Chezaday (Apr 21, 2010 10:51AM)
Alright .. let's get back to the subject at hand. Has anyone tried replacing the bulbs with a new LED version of a 12" bulb? I've seen a few things online but, I'm not sure if they will work out with this illusion.

If you check out the video on JC Sum's home page, you'll see he's got an old Sommer's Lightbulbs Thru Girl using some sort of blue LED bulbs. It looks very interesting.

Message: Posted by: Marshall Thornside (Apr 21, 2010 11:22AM)
I didn't know they have LED versions.
But I should be surprised.

I can't imagine it not working and lasting much longer.

LEDs are super bright and clear to begin with.
They take much less power too.

Do you know how many LEDs are in the 12" bulb?

I know that some of our LEDs have only 3-6 and
are super bright already.

I would think as long as it is a 12" tube light
it should work no matter. I think color LED would
be actually awesome with the illusion.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Apr 21, 2010 10:48PM)
I idea with the LED was not to line a hollow tube with lights but to use a Plexi Rod and have an LED shining on the end, this causes the light to travel down the solid Plexi and illuminate the rod. This is what he meant by giving the example of the Fiber Optics comparison.

This would mean having to redesign the socket area with LED lights and possibly thread the Plexi to screw into the new socket.
Message: Posted by: ERIC (Apr 22, 2010 12:01AM)
"This would mean having to redesign the socket area with LED lights and possibly thread the Plexi to screw into the new socket."

Now that doesn't sound like it would be that hard to do.
Message: Posted by: ERIC (Apr 22, 2010 12:04AM)
This would also save on burnt legs and ruined pantyhose.

I think that this approach might be a money saver all around, plus make the unit safer.
Message: Posted by: euroillusion (Apr 24, 2010 12:35AM)
Not sure if you can view this but these are photos of JC Sum's LED lightbulbs through girl on his Facebook page http://www.facebook.com/#!/album.php?aid=2035774&id=1496822922

It is very bright and looks like rows of LEDs in one tube.
Message: Posted by: Chezaday (Apr 24, 2010 01:11AM)
Very cool .. this is exactly what I was talking about. Nice work by the JC Sum crew. I never thought a Sommers prop could look so cool.

Excellent work by my friend euroillusion. I've seen some clips of the illusion online but, that's about it. Thanks for the link ...

Message: Posted by: euroillusion (Apr 24, 2010 11:22AM)
No prob Steve. I found performance photos of the illusion here as well http://www.facebook.com/jcsum.magicbabening?v=photos#!/album.php?aid=30264&id=24282059109

The first two. The LED lights are really bright!