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Topic: What do you think of PB&J Sponge Balls?
Message: Posted by: Andrew E. Miller (Jan 5, 2003 01:33AM)
See the title!
Message: Posted by: John Pezzullo (Jan 5, 2003 02:11AM)
Andrew,

I'm not familiar with Scott Guinn's marketed sponge ball routine however I understand that it's a routine that Scott has developed and used in his professional work for lay audiences over the years.

Are there specific aspects of Scott's routine that you dislike?

I own three of Scott's books: "Profiles in Coinage", "Magishing My Way", and "You’ll Be Pleasantly Surprised". The material in these books is practical and commercial.
Message: Posted by: Andrew E. Miller (Jan 5, 2003 02:22AM)
I am sure it works for Scott. It is probably good to some.

Andrew
Message: Posted by: stevehw (Jan 5, 2003 02:29AM)
I don't have it yet, but I have seen a great deal of praise for it in other threads at this site.
I do plan to get it soon.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Paul Menzel (Jan 5, 2003 07:24AM)
Andrew,

Are you asking because you are considering buying the effect? If so, go for it. If you decide the written patter doesn't work for you, go with something else (as usual). The jokes are very much Scott's style and won't work for everyone. The routine, however, should, and that's what makes it worthwhile.

One of the best features is that it ends "clean" very openly and resets automatically.

Scott includes everything you will need to perform the effect (except practice) along with clear instructions.
Message: Posted by: Andrew E. Miller (Jan 5, 2003 12:45PM)
I am not planning on buying it. Just wondering what everybody thought.
Message: Posted by: Harry Murphy (Jan 5, 2003 03:01PM)
I have it, use it only very (very!) slightly modified, and find it to be a solid and entertaining routine. My audiences like it. In fact I can credit a couple of party bookings this holiday season directly to it.

Scott has published it in one of his books and markets it with all the necessary props, as an independent trick.

I think that it a working performers routine. I know that it works for me.

Since you do not plan to buy it or use it, what then peaks your curiosity about the routine? Personally, I am rarely interested in hearing any opinion about a routine or trick that I know that I will never use.
Message: Posted by: ralphdean (Jan 5, 2003 06:24PM)
I just started learning it this weekend. It is very well thought out.

It is also in Scott Guinn's book "Great Scott! It's More Magic!" along with some other fun stuff. If you get the book you will still have to track down some items.

I was not familiar with the gimmick that it uses at the end. Makes me wonder what other gimmicks that are out there that I am missing.
Message: Posted by: Ron Giesecke (Jan 5, 2003 11:14PM)
Scott Guinn is the only one to date I've seen that has made a practical argument for employing the Sanada Gimmick.

While I have my own routine, I happen to think that Scott's is the best purchasable routine as a self-contained unit. His patter is humorous and light. Why use anything heavier?

I am curious, RegalFan. Have you actually [i]seen[/i] the routine, or are you surmising? Because the only way I knew anything about it was to buy it, and I don't believe you have done so. "See the title" is hardly the exemplary review you request of others.

Ron
Message: Posted by: KingStardog (Jan 6, 2003 03:33PM)
I pretty much gave up on sponge, as it has some sort of attraction to my dogs. Don't ask me why. I still remember one of them choking on a sponge rabbit and the unpleasant scene it created. (he is OK)

If I was to keep spongballs, or rabbits around, and because of them, I can't,
I would purchase Scott's set without thinking twice about it.
Message: Posted by: flourish dude (Jan 6, 2003 07:13PM)
IMHO,
it is the best sponge ball routine out for a working magi.. JUST GET IT you'll be glad you did. if you are still ?? it then buy his book or his notes that has The PB&J routine if by far chance you don't like it there are other wonderful routines that might fit you..
Message: Posted by: zauber (Jan 6, 2003 07:42PM)
I recently purchased this from Scott and it is quite good.

RegalFan, I agree with Ron Giesecke's assessment. I also agree that your comments or review have little value in the manner you present them. I don't understand, you don't plan on purchasing the item, yet you want a review from others? WHY? BAD FORM....
Message: Posted by: Bfrancabandera (Jan 7, 2003 10:20AM)
I have heard so much about this effect. Is there anywhere online that I can see a video of it? Thanks
Message: Posted by: Scott F. Guinn (Jan 7, 2003 02:02PM)
[quote]
On 2003-01-07 11:20, Bfrancabandera wrote:
I have heard so much about this effect. Is there anywhere online that I can see a video of it? Thanks
[/quote]No. The reason for that is several-fold. One is that I don't have the time or web-space to do it. Second is that it is a sponge ball routine. As far as the actual effect, there is nothing new here (except, possibly, for the vanish at the end and a couple of subtleties that are so old, they're new!). Third, what sets the routine apart is the patter and construction, things that I either wouldn't have enough time to go into in a web video or that I don't care to give up for free. Fourth, it is possible that someone could simply watch the video 100 times and reconstruct everything, and then they would have no incentive to buy it!

The routine will be on my DVD, which will be released sometime this year--hopefully in the next month or so. In the meantime, there is no free video demonstration, nor are there any plans to have one.

I will tell you this--the routine is the single trick I perform more than any other and has been for over 10 years of working 250-400 shows per year. I've used it in close up, kids shows, parlor shows and even stage, in addition to performing it 10-20 times per night 3-5 nights a week for 10 years in restaurants. Add all that up and we're talking about literally tens of thousands of performances, and it has NEVER failed to play well for me.

In addition, it includes 8 pages of instruction with 28 photos, 3 super soft sponge balls, a purse frame and a gimmick that typically sells for $10-$15 all by itself. You get all that for $15, postpaid to Café members in the USA.

I'm a little biased, but to answer RegalFan's original question, I think it's a solid routine.
Message: Posted by: preston91 (Jan 8, 2003 03:03PM)
Ron;
FYI Dan Garrett offers 3 routines using the Sanada gimmick in his "The Last Palidrome 2002" lecture notes. Check it out, I think you'll like'em..
Paul
Message: Posted by: Clayman (Jan 8, 2003 07:12PM)
Scott,
Sir, how would one get on a list to be it known when your dvd comes out? If I email you from your web page would I be notified when the dvd is released? Thanx for keeping the Magical flame roaring with your ideas and unique routines. You are one of the Magical people, that helps other Magicians get to their next level. Thank you again.
Message: Posted by: Scott F. Guinn (Jan 9, 2003 12:32AM)
I don't really have a list, as I am pretty ignorant about most things technical when it comes to computers.

I will make an announcement here at the Café (in the DVD/video trading forum) and it will be on my website as soon as it's available. I really think that anyone who has doubts about the routine will have them dispelled when they see it performed for a live, lay-audience who had never seen it before.

Just for the curious, here is what will be on the DVD will contain:

5 of my favorite (and most often performed and requested) card effects, PB&J, Magic Western Union (the late Larry Jennings told me this was the best routine for Fechter's Flying Eagles he'd ever seen!), A card routine for parlor/stage, a kids show presentation piece with a kid assistant and a rope and my ring & rope routine.

All were performed before a real, live (if somewhat small) lay-audience who had never seen me perform before. None (except my wife) were magicians, assistants or spouses of magicians, so you can be sure you're seeing actual reactions from real people!
Message: Posted by: James Washer (Jan 13, 2003 02:27PM)
In one word - AWESOME!
Message: Posted by: q (Sep 5, 2003 07:59PM)
Scott F. Guinn sold me his book and gimmicks for PB&J a discount price then his site normaly sells it. I do not use his patter or all his exact moves from the routine however i can honestly say his routine has helped spring board me onto the routine I use now.
Message: Posted by: MacGyver (Sep 5, 2003 08:35PM)
PB&J is the best sponge ball routine I have ever seen(though I haven't seen many ;) )

Honestly, it was the first sponge routine I ever bought, and even after learning many others it is still the one I do most often.

It has a story, It comes full circle, and it resets instantly. All the things start in one pocket and end in one pocket, amazing!!!!!!

DEFINATLY buy this, it is an amazing piece of magic at an incredibly low price.

Only 1 bad thing:
You get 3 sponge balls, but one of them is included with the sanada gimick and the other 2 are seprate from another source. The one from sanada gimick is a noticably different shade(at least for me) from the other 2, and can make a HUGE difference if you pull it out first or second.(third doesn't matter)

I have had many spectators comment on transpositions saying "no it didn't change I had the dark one"(talking about the sanada sponge).

Not a big deal because you can buy more sponge's that will all be the same color, though it is something to think about if you don't have sponge balls already...

I bought 2in ones to replace the ones for the routine, and they are way too big, so I have had to order 1in and 1.5in to try and get matching balls.

ANYWAY.... I still think this is one of the best magic tricks I have bought, especially because it is a low price and got me started in sponge balls!!!
Message: Posted by: Scott F. Guinn (Sep 6, 2003 04:22AM)
I do my best to match the sponges. However, even when you buy a box of four, often three won't match. I recently bought a bunch in bulk and try to match them up. Also, the ball that comes with the gimmick seems to depend on the lot. My previous order all had noticeably darker balls, while this last had lighter ones that were easier to match. You can make sure the different ball (if you get one) is removed third by placing it to the bottom and one side of the pocket. However, it doesn't really matter, as the bit about the balls trading places is just a joke anyway...
Message: Posted by: GaryW (Sep 6, 2003 12:12PM)
Just checked your site and I have all the gimmicks it requires. I'm a still pretty much a magic newbie but put a lot of effort into sponge balls.

Which is why I probably won't buy your routine.... there is a pretty good chance that I already know it but don't know that I know it....

I understand you point that a person could watch a demo and figure it out. Awww ****... I'm talking myself into buying it just to know if I know it or not.... I hate my wandering wallet.

Since I already have the gimmicks and props; any chance you can sell the routine seperate from the balls, sanada, and purseframe?
Message: Posted by: Scott F. Guinn (Sep 6, 2003 01:24PM)
You may know some of the moves from the routine, but you probably wouldn't know the patter and presentation, the construction and the extra little subtleties and convincers developed over a decade of real-world performing.

Yes, you can buy just the instructions for $7.50, via either Paypal to greatscott.itsmagic@netzero.com or money order to me at:

7458 HWY 44
Star, ID 83669

Regards,
Scott
Message: Posted by: GaryW (Sep 6, 2003 03:28PM)
[quote]
On 2003-09-06 14:24, Scott F. Guinn wrote:
You may know some of the moves from the routine, but you probably wouldn't know the patter and presentation, the construction and the extra little subtleties and convincers developed over a decade of real-world performing.

Yes, you can buy just the instructions for $7.50, via either Paypal to greatscott.itsmagic@netzero.com or money order to me at:

7458 HWY 44
Star, ID 83669

Regards,
Scott
[/quote]
I never make a challenge without backing it up. You should have the paypal sent at this time. If it's more than an email attach can handle let me know. Thanks!
Message: Posted by: MacGyver (Sep 6, 2003 03:45PM)
True Scott but if we are placing balls in the pocket in order why not just use a orange / yellow / purple sponge ball :) because it would kill the instint reset.

Anyway, It isn't that big of a deal to buy more spongeballs so I am still REALLY happy with buying PB&J, even to those that already have sponge ball props and routines, when you spend hundreds of dollars on magic you won't use, isn't it worth 15 dollars to at least check out one of the best routines in sponge ball magic out there?
Message: Posted by: Leeman (Sep 8, 2003 10:25PM)
does this trick have anything to do with peanutbutter and jelly or is that just the name i have never seen this routine asa you might have guessed
Message: Posted by: MacGyver (Sep 8, 2003 11:35PM)
Yes it has something to do with Peanut, Butter and Jelly, though not in the way you might think.... its more of the storyline not the actual food.
Message: Posted by: Leeman (Sep 8, 2003 11:41PM)
do you use spongeballs in similar colors to the samdwich or is it just very good spongeball routine
Message: Posted by: Review King (Sep 9, 2003 02:03AM)
Get Scott's new DVD and you'll see how the matter and killer moves make this the BEST Sponge Ball routine ever created.

Chris
Message: Posted by: GaryW (Sep 9, 2003 12:06PM)
The routine (moves not patter) has a lot of similarities to my current routine with the exception of the very end.

My initial reaction to the patter was "I'll never use this"... but gave it a try on my kids.

Even though they've seen the moves 100x before it was like a brand new trick thanks to the storyline. So I guess I will be using it :)

Nice work Scott!
Message: Posted by: Scott F. Guinn (Sep 9, 2003 04:14PM)
[quote]
On 2003-09-09 00:41, Leeman wrote:
do you use spongeballs in similar colors to the samdwich or is it just very good spongeball routine
[/quote]No--they're all the same color. The name comes from the patter line to the routine.

Here's a review:

http://www.online-visions.com/reviews/0310pbj.html
Message: Posted by: Leeman (Sep 9, 2003 04:31PM)
thanks for the link scott
Message: Posted by: crazyhands (Sep 19, 2003 08:50PM)
Looking forward to your DVD Mr. Guinn, I've already learned so much from reading your essays, thax for your contribution in helping us be better magicians.
Message: Posted by: MacGyver (Sep 19, 2003 11:52PM)
Oh, and the reason(and a very good one) that you shouldn't use colored balls, is that it kills the instint reset(because you would have to take out the colors in certain order), which is a GREAT part of the routine.

You start with everything in a mess in a single pocket, you end with everything in a mess in a single pocket, GREAT ROUTINE!!!!!
Message: Posted by: Magicbarry (Sep 23, 2003 11:59AM)
However, you can do the routine with balls of different sizes.

With the patter I've been using, the third ball is the little rascal that inspires the other balls (who are normally well-behaved) to misbehave during my routines. Using a one-inch ball for the third ball seems appropriate -- it sets her apart, and adds to her "little rascal" personality.

And of course, there's no problem with the instant reset since you can tell by feel that this ball is smaller than the other two.
Message: Posted by: Scott F. Guinn (Sep 23, 2003 04:45PM)
That's a great idea--well done!
Message: Posted by: Review King (Sep 23, 2003 05:10PM)
That adds a nice touch.
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Oct 14, 2003 12:59AM)
I sent out for them recently. I will be giving you my opinion soon.

Wow, it is "Out of Sight!" I received the dvd, gimmick, purse frame and super soft balls. It is well worth the cost. At first I was not going to go for it because the package seemed cheap because the low price. He proved me wrong. Go ahead purchase it, you got nothing to loose.

I would tell you more about the whole package, but I don't have the time, I must go practice that bonus he gives on the dvd.

P.S. All the balls match perfectly.
Message: Posted by: Scott F. Guinn (Oct 17, 2003 07:12PM)
Thanks, Dynamike. I'm happy to hear you are satisfied with your purchase.

Regarding your comment about the price being low, it really is. This is why the routine is not available from dealers or Murphy's. The gimmick costs me about $4 all by itself, plus you get three super soft sponge balls, a purse frame, and an 8 page instruction booklet with 28 photo-illustrations. I sell it for $15--most dealers sell just the gimmick for $10. If I sold it to Murphy's, I'd get $6 per unit--I'd actually be losing about $1 per unit. Dealers wouldn't be much better; I'd get $9 per unit, meaning I'd make about $1.50 on each one. Not worth the trouble.

I have intentionally kept the price low, and I think this a very strong routine at an excellent price. But I'm not too broken up if a lot of guys don't do it, as it has become my signature routine.
Message: Posted by: Aperazor (Dec 18, 2003 12:42PM)
I gotta stop reading so much on here, I simply can't afford it anymore....
Yep, you guessed it I ordered this just couldn't resist.
I guess since I managed to resist getting the Fakini balls off E-Bay earlier I got off kind of cheap then huh?
Thanks to all for the reviews.
Nick Zender-Akron Ohio