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Topic: XL by Jay Sankey
Message: Posted by: Y2John (Dec 21, 2006 06:07AM)
A new effect from Jay Sankey where a freely selected card is placed between 2 jokers and is then made to stretch/grow in size. Everything is examinable.

Check it out: http://www.mjmmagic.com/store/xl-by-jay-sankey-p-3781.html?zenid=0e59addcd3434f3cc45251934c028a1a
Message: Posted by: Irishghost (Dec 21, 2006 07:38AM)
Aldo has a similar effect. I guess all one has to do nowadays is dig out old vhs tapes and release these little gems under a different name.
Message: Posted by: Cameron Francis (Dec 21, 2006 10:24AM)
Where can one find the Aldo effect?
Message: Posted by: Jeff J. (Dec 21, 2006 10:34AM)
Am I missing something? As soon as he took the rubberbanded card from his pocket, you could see a Queen sticking out in between them. I don't get it.
Message: Posted by: Logan (Dec 21, 2006 11:31AM)
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On 2006-12-21 11:34, Ibd1Mon99 wrote:
Am I missing something? As soon as he took the rubberbanded card from his pocket, you could see a Queen sticking out in between them. I don't get it.
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A discrepancy I believe.

That's very sharp of you, but then again, you are a magician!

Take care buddy,

Logan
Message: Posted by: DerekMerdinyan (Dec 21, 2006 12:13PM)
I noticed it too... I also noticed that, although 'any card (could)' be touched' it was still forced.

Derek Merdinyan
Message: Posted by: Kevvy (Dec 21, 2006 12:24PM)
I agree with Logan. We might not be fooled, but I think this would fry laymen. Especially since they can examine the cards before and after the effect.
Message: Posted by: Josho (Dec 21, 2006 12:52PM)
Wait wait wait. You're saying Jay Sankey released an effect?

FINALLY!

--Josh
Message: Posted by: Jesse Feinberg (Dec 21, 2006 01:01PM)
Heh??? He's released a couple of new ones just this past month...

This looks like it would fry laymen for sure! Also, the demo might not be as good as a live performance. The gaff(s) it comes with must be pretty cool... I'd like to here some reviews, and go from there. Im going to watch that demo again... -Jesse
Message: Posted by: Tom Bartlett (Dec 21, 2006 02:41PM)
I thought we were supposed to entertain them not fry them!
Message: Posted by: Josho (Dec 21, 2006 02:51PM)
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On 2006-12-21 15:41, Tom Bartlett wrote:
I thought we were supposed to entertain them not fry them!
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Good point. Look at the way we talk about our audiences these days: we want to "kill them," "fry them," "slay them," "blow them away." We want crack their skulls (Skullkracker).

Honestly, we have no respect for them at all.

--Josh
Message: Posted by: Jeff J. (Dec 21, 2006 04:23PM)
Actually, I wasn't looking at it as a magician. I always save THAT for the second viewing of a demo. It was just very hard to miss, magician or not. I thought he was showing the Queen intentionally and was then going to pull a "gotcha" with a really huge card.

This one won't be on my short list, my long list, or even the list I throw in the trash. :) I like Sankey. I have a ton of his stuff. This one just doesn't go anywhere.

Jeff
Message: Posted by: Jesse Feinberg (Dec 21, 2006 09:08PM)
Getting "fried" can be a good thing too! ;)
Message: Posted by: Jeff J. (Dec 21, 2006 09:17PM)
YUP! I love it when I get fried. It's always the really simple stuff that gets me though because I'm not on my guard. Like I wrote on another thread, I've been using an invisible Deck for 20 years, but someone with a clever routine using an ID will totally fry me....then I want to hide in the corner :)
Message: Posted by: Jesse Feinberg (Dec 21, 2006 09:23PM)
I was totally fried by a version of the monte. I know how it works now, but the method is still hard to completely picture and explain. I love that kinda stuff! XL isn't that to us maybe, but to a lay person, this effect might still be a murderous blood bath. Red rum, red rum! haha
Message: Posted by: Kevvy (Dec 21, 2006 10:09PM)
I also enjoyed being "fried" by a "killer" effect, or blown away by an outstanding performance!
Message: Posted by: Larry Davidson (Dec 22, 2006 07:10AM)
Personally, I think that the handling looks awkward--where the right hand covers the cards' short ends closest to the body immediately before "stretching" the queen. I prefer Gary Plants' [i]Longer and Leaner[/i].
Message: Posted by: joseph (Dec 22, 2006 07:13AM)
But does it "fry"?... :) ..
Message: Posted by: Larry Davidson (Dec 22, 2006 07:18AM)
Peter Kane created the original version and a number of other versions followed. Will this version fry? There's no way to know the answer to that question without performing it in the real world, but the question that should be asked in my opinion is, "which version will fry the most?" Another question some magicians might want to ask and answer is, "what's the reason for stretching the card?" My initial thought is to stretch the queen as a demonstration of how the "rack" was used to torture people in the Middle Ages.
Message: Posted by: Irishghost (Dec 22, 2006 09:53AM)
One could even say "that was sick"
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Dec 22, 2006 09:59AM)
Ok... you wind up with a stretched card and you give it to them? souvenir?
Message: Posted by: Jeff J. (Dec 22, 2006 11:41AM)
Talk about off topic, but....do spectators really keep souvenirs from unknown magicians? I don't know that I would keep a torn card or a bent coin or something. I always wondered why magicians handed out strange or otherwise destroyed stuff, except maybe to a kid at a party. Maybe if it was from a famous magician they saw on TV who was a household name they may keep it as a segway into telling their friends about the "famous guy" they met. But "Hey, see this? Some stranger came up to me in the street and....".

I could be wrong.....I often am.

Jeff
Message: Posted by: Cameron Francis (Dec 22, 2006 03:18PM)
Oh, man. I have had people come up to me six months after I have performed for them and pull out a folded card from their wallet with a huge smile on their face. It doesn't matter if you're famous or not. If they like you and you do something memorable, they will keep the card.

As far as XL, it looks like Sankey has included a bunch of different handlings on the dvd (including a "torture" handling). The card itself is cool and I'm sure we could all come up with some great uses for it. But I don't know if I want to spend $20 on this.

BTW, Jonathan, I could be wrong, but don't think the card is supposed to be a giveaway. I think you show it around and then take it back. Sounds like it comes with a red card and a blue one. Unless you want to spend a lot of money on repurchasing the trick.
Message: Posted by: Jesse Feinberg (Dec 22, 2006 03:22PM)
I have noticed that people don't always keep their signed card, or torn card, etc... Not from me, just in general, from non-famous magicians. They don't care that much. But when David C. gives out something, they usually bring it home as a conversational piece. How many stretched cards do you get with XL. Even a full deck, and I'd be apprehensive about giving out such a cool prop.

I also agree that the overall handling is a little suspect, at least what I saw on the demo. I have a feeling this is better than we think though. There are other handlings and effects included too... New demo would be great!
Message: Posted by: Steve Hook (Dec 22, 2006 03:56PM)
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On 2006-12-21 11:34, Ibd1Mon99 wrote:
Am I missing something? As soon as he took the rubberbanded card from his pocket, you could see a Queen sticking out in between them. I don't get it.
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When he put the jokers on the deck? No discrepancy...that was ostensibly the injogged queen and that's what you SHOULD see since the queen is injogged. That also sets up the next move.

It's actually a pretty cool routine, if not a little awkward at that one point, as Larry mentioned. Except, maybe unwisely, Jay paused right there to make a point with the cards. That's odd because that's exactly the time in the routine when the most heat is on the hottest object! If YOU do this routine, just don't do what Jay did!
;-)

-
Message: Posted by: JeffMac (Dec 22, 2006 04:55PM)
I've got people pulling stuff out of their wallet that I showed them years ago.
You show somebody something and make it personal it's a story they tell for years
Message: Posted by: joseph (Dec 23, 2006 06:03AM)
Some online magic stores are already sold out of this item.. :) ..
Message: Posted by: Cameron Francis (Dec 23, 2006 09:58AM)
I'm not saying that everyone who signs a card keeps it forever. But some do.

I have already thought of a few ways to handle the cards which I don't think would look terribly awkward.

As far as the demo goes, it's not great. Jay did the same thing with "Moving Violation". He put the worst presentation on the demo. When you get the dvd, that presentation isn't even on there. I use Moving Violation all the time as a way of handing out my business card. I use the "Six of One" handling. Wonderful trick.
Message: Posted by: Jesse Feinberg (Dec 23, 2006 04:11PM)
I need to get that (moving violation) when I get back home. I saw it at Hank's, and it looks great! Its really fun to perform! I am going to purchase XL too, simply because the gaffs it comes with should be really cool, and I'm SURE the handling explained is excellent.

This is why demo videos are such a problem.
Message: Posted by: evolve629 (Dec 24, 2006 12:15PM)
Off topic - but I think Nailed is a very powerful and deceptive Jay's latest effect. You can have the spec keep the card as a very memoriable souvenirs to keep, IMHO.
Message: Posted by: Tom Bartlett (Dec 24, 2006 01:43PM)
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On 2006-12-22 16:22, Jessiah wrote:

I also agree that the overall handling is a little suspect, at least what I saw on the demo. I have a feeling this is better than we think though. There are other handlings and effects included too... New demo would be great!
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I thought you said it fried you!
Message: Posted by: Jesse Feinberg (Dec 24, 2006 02:16PM)
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On 2006-12-21 14:01, Jessiah wrote:
This looks like it would fry laymen for sure!
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Nope. I also said I was fried by a version of Monte (not sankeys). And then I said I like to get fried, but even that was sort of misunderstood.. ;)
Message: Posted by: Jesse Feinberg (Dec 24, 2006 02:18PM)
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Message: Posted by: Jeff J. (Dec 30, 2006 11:15AM)
Is this effect really worth 2 threads? :)
Message: Posted by: Swifty34 (Dec 30, 2006 01:40PM)
Only if people are getting fried, killed and slayed left and right are you allowed to have two threads
Message: Posted by: Kevvy (Dec 30, 2006 02:40PM)
I think having two threads is "stretching" things a bit.

(I'll admit that pun is a stretch too)
Message: Posted by: Jeff J. (Dec 30, 2006 04:07PM)
We'll just let that "thread" pun "float" by.
Message: Posted by: Kevvy (Dec 30, 2006 07:44PM)
That "float" comment is actually doing all the "floating".