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Topic: A new Coin Vanish Technique
Message: Posted by: magicforreal (Dec 30, 2006 05:13PM)
Hey everyone, I was surfin' the web and I came across this http://devilcoin.downloadmagic.com. Has anyone else seen this? I don't know if the video is edited or what but it looks very very clean.
Message: Posted by: caubeck (Dec 30, 2006 05:56PM)
The link does not seem to lead to anything.
Message: Posted by: caubeck (Dec 30, 2006 05:58PM)
Ah, you have to remove the dot from the address, thus:

http://www.downloadmagic.com/cointricks/devil_coin_vanish.htm
Message: Posted by: magicforreal (Dec 30, 2006 06:26PM)
Huh that's weird. I clicked the link in the post and it did nothing. Here is the real link http://www.downloadmagic.com/cointricks/devil_coin_vanish.htm
Thanks caubeck for pointing that out.
Message: Posted by: BrianMillerMagic (Dec 30, 2006 07:30PM)
I may be imagining it, but he did not ever show the entire back of his left hand did he? I can't say any more without risking exposure, but I'm sure others will see what I saw. If my eyes are lying then it did look very clean, but I'm always skeptical when I see something that advertises "No strings, wires, magnets, blah, blah, blah, blah..."
Message: Posted by: DStachowiak (Dec 30, 2006 08:10PM)
I don't know, Brian, I watched it a couple more times, and I think I saw the whole back of his left hand. Then again, the "secret is supposed to depend on "modern technology". Hmm, like a video camera?
Notice, the guy writing the ad copy never actually says it ISN'T...
Message: Posted by: MichaelKent (Dec 30, 2006 08:36PM)
Doesn't look much different from "Stuck."
Message: Posted by: DStachowiak (Dec 30, 2006 08:58PM)
Hi Michael,
I'm not familiar with "stuck", can you fill me in?
Don
Message: Posted by: BrianMillerMagic (Dec 30, 2006 10:06PM)
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On 2006-12-30 21:36, MichaelKent wrote:
Doesn't look much different from "Stuck."
[/quote]

That's precisely what I was thinking. If you look carefully in the video, you'll notice there is one small portion of his left hand that you never see. If it is the same or similar, then you have to go with Stuck.
Message: Posted by: Mediocre the Great (Dec 30, 2006 10:08PM)
Black art?
Message: Posted by: billmonroe (Dec 30, 2006 11:05PM)
Looks to me like it's SIMILAR to Sankey's "Messiah Vanish" or Harada Hold. Just my cents ;)

Cheers,

Bill
Message: Posted by: DStachowiak (Dec 31, 2006 12:07AM)
Ahh, I see what you are talking about, if that's the concealment, it looks like it would have to depend on an extremely tight angle of view.
Message: Posted by: BrianMillerMagic (Dec 31, 2006 12:45PM)
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On 2006-12-31 00:05, billmonroe wrote:
Looks to me like it's SIMILAR to Sankey's "Messiah Vanish" or Harada Hold. Just my cents ;)

Cheers,

Bill
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It can't be the Messiah Vanish because the coin would fall off when he lifted his left hand almost straight up and down. The Harada Hold is very, very similar to Stuck in terms of placement and thus I think that's what he's doing more and more each time I watch the clip.
Message: Posted by: MichaelKent (Dec 31, 2006 12:58PM)
Whatever it's being called, its certainly nothing new.
Message: Posted by: billmonroe (Dec 31, 2006 02:58PM)
Brian, I agree that's why I said "similar". The Messiah and Harada are very similar moves, just a slight variation in placement and "hold". Cheers

Bill
Message: Posted by: magicforreal (Dec 31, 2006 04:47PM)
I don't know. I'm still learning and I've seen some sleights with coins but not like this one. To me it's new.
Message: Posted by: sickmagic (Dec 31, 2006 07:36PM)
How about a real review? anyone going to spend the 7 bucks..LOL
Message: Posted by: MichaelKent (Jan 1, 2007 10:14AM)
Not necessary - I can perform it after purchasing "stuck."
Message: Posted by: tpax (Jan 1, 2007 11:52AM)
I tried to order this to see if it was the same method as Stuck. I was sent to a page "Coming Soon" and was not able to complete my order.
I don't think it's the same method as stuck. I think the concealment location is the same, but a different method to vanish is used. Will we ever know for sure?
Message: Posted by: Steve Fearson (Jan 1, 2007 05:50PM)
Hi Guys,

I just want to clear up any confusion here..

The Devil Coin is NOT the same method as Stuck and is not the Harada hold.

You will NOT be able to perform this same effect by purchasing Stuck. It eliminates all the goofy moves. I've only become aware of Stuck and the Harada hold through this topic and can clearly see from the videos how they're both done. Out of respect for the creators of those tricks I won't say anything except to assure you that they are not the same as Devil Coin.

This same guy (coindevil) has another original move on YouTube I'm trying to convince him to release: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hVLRyj8EF8

It should be apparent to anyone who's been around magic that that one is also a new method. His stuff is unique and new, or I wouldn't carry it.

I do appreciate the interest in the effect, but please refrain from trying to guess the secret on a public board if you don't mind. The input is appreciated but it seems that most of you just want to know how it works. It will be available for sale in the next couple weeks. Sorry for the wait.

All the best!

Steve Fearson
Message: Posted by: MichaelKent (Jan 1, 2007 06:27PM)
Steve,
I will take your word that they are different. But to be fair, I don't think I ever said it was the same as "Stuck." I said a) it doesn't look much different (which is true) and I said b) after learning "Stuck," I can perform the trick in the video using that method. (which is also true). The other video you posted here looks cool - but it seems a little angle sensitive, no?
Message: Posted by: Steve Fearson (Jan 1, 2007 06:49PM)
No more than Stuck :)
Message: Posted by: MichaelKent (Jan 1, 2007 08:14PM)
Agreed!
Message: Posted by: Steve Fearson (Jan 2, 2007 03:16AM)
Hi all,

Coin Devil put up a new video, I know some of you'd probably like to check it out so here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ7H4TPcPT0

It didn't work for me at first but I think it's kicked in now. You may have to try it a couple times if it doesn't work for you.

He said to mention that this video shows more to rule out the popular places of concealment. He also said that the reason the modern coin vanishes are looking so similar is because they are converging as they move towards the point of perfection. I guess it makes sense that if all the coin vanishes were being done right they would all look similar, perfectly natural.

I asked him to post here and maybe answer some questions and I hope he will. He's pretty normal besides the "I CAN'T DRIVE" fish on his fingers. I've seen it on a lot of cars but never on fingers. heh

Thanks again for the input on this effect. I'm taking it all in, your comments are greatly appreciated. Even the guesses :) They will help to mold the final product, which isn't complete yet.

I'm off too bed and am probably going to try to sign off to this thread. I get caught up in these chats when I should be doing other things. Thanks for your consideration of this effect and thanks for your time.. and for not flaming me!

Steve
Message: Posted by: kardillusions (Jan 2, 2007 05:11AM)
[quote]
On 2007-01-01 18:50, Steve Fearson wrote:
This same guy (coindevil) has another original move on YouTube I'm trying to convince him to release: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hVLRyj8EF8
[/quote]

Although, as you've said, this is new- it bears a large resemblance to something I did over a year ago, with a dice (di? die? whatever...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okdsxkW4O8M

It's obviously not the same method, from what you've said- but, it looks like some of the "moves" are awfully similar.

Scott.
Message: Posted by: yachanin (Jan 2, 2007 09:23AM)
Hi Scott,

Very nice vanish. Is it something you devised or is it a marketed vanish?

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: magicman1 (Jan 2, 2007 09:24AM)
Seems like you can't order the effect ..
Don
Message: Posted by: DStachowiak (Jan 2, 2007 09:41AM)
[quote]
On 2007-01-02 04:16, Steve Fearson wrote:


I asked him to post here and maybe answer some questions and I hope he will. He's pretty normal besides the "I CAN'T DRIVE" fish on his fingers. I've seen it on a lot of cars but never on fingers. heh

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LOL I guess it was the way he was holding his hands, I didn't realize they were fish,I thought it was a stylised version of "666"! Guess it was also the "Coin Devil" moniker.

Whatever his tats are, his work looks nice, thanks for showing us, Steve.

Don
Message: Posted by: kardillusions (Jan 2, 2007 12:12PM)
[quote]
On 2007-01-02 10:23, yachanin wrote:
Hi Scott,

Very nice vanish. Is it something you devised or is it a marketed vanish?
[/quote]

Just something I made up for myself.
Scott.
Message: Posted by: silapmata (Jan 7, 2007 08:41AM)
From What I have seen, it definitely an angle sensitive tricks cos still a portion of the hand is not seen.So nothing new!
Message: Posted by: under the table (Jan 9, 2007 09:00AM)
Its definitely a new way of vanishing the coin, but I figured it out first time I saw it. It hit me immediatly and I know I'm correct because it was a magician friend who showed me this. It was easy for him, in real life, to show me because he is shorter than me lol.

The secret is ingenious. I don't care who you are, give respect to the guy that made it. It is a good effect but not something I would use. Give the guy some repect, it IS an ingenious secret; but I was playing around with it (the secret) before I saw this so that's how I knew the secret.


I liked it,

Ian
Message: Posted by: Dan McLean (Jan 9, 2007 09:20PM)
So exactly when is this available?
Message: Posted by: Magix (Jan 10, 2007 05:34PM)
It's supposed to be available in about a week or so.
Message: Posted by: Steve Fearson (Jan 10, 2007 07:42PM)
[quote]
On 2007-01-02 06:11, kardillusions wrote:
[quote]
On 2007-01-01 18:50, Steve Fearson wrote:
This same guy (coindevil) has another original move on YouTube I'm trying to convince him to release: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hVLRyj8EF8
[/quote]

Although, as you've said, this is new- it bears a large resemblance to something I did over a year ago, with a dice (di? die? whatever...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okdsxkW4O8M

It's obviously not the same method, from what you've said- but, it looks like some of the "moves" are awfully similar.

Scott.
[/quote]

Hi Scott,

Sorry for not replying to this, I haven't had a chance to log in for a while.

Great video! The presentation does look strikingly similar for a moment there but I assure you they are not at all similar in method.

Sometimes a gesture is just a gesture :) The right hand isn't involved with the trick in this case.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jZ7H4TPcPT0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8hVLRyj8EF8

Both of those clips use the same method. I'm sure you can see the difference.

Again, great video. I like what you're doing there.

Steve
Message: Posted by: TuKanz (Jan 14, 2007 03:20PM)
It looked like Stuck to me ...it's a smooth move no matter what it is
Message: Posted by: DP the Great (Jan 14, 2007 10:02PM)
I am going to go for it. I will post up a review soon.
-DP
Message: Posted by: Hawk-Eye (Jan 15, 2007 06:49AM)
I just bought this, because I had some spare money in my PayPal account that wasn't being used.

It's not bad at all...I was pretty pleased actually. The method is kind of similar to what I thought it would be, but different at the same time. I was surprised to see that the coin really does go inside the fist.

I own Stuck, and you can move your hand around a lot more with this vanish than the one in Stuck, and the angles are more friendly...so this serves much better as a complete vanish than the Stuck vanish does.

I don't know if I'd use the main version...I like a couple of the other impromptu versions included though.

Overall not a bad buy, if anything given me a few ideas.

Nick
Message: Posted by: yachanin (Jan 15, 2007 05:53PM)
I agree with Hawk-Eye (Nick) that you have greater range of hand movement with the Devil Coin than with Stuck. While I like the Devil Coin and the variations, I really hope Steve can convince his friend to release Guardian Angel.

Regards, Steve
Message: Posted by: Hawk-Eye (Jan 16, 2007 01:56AM)
On a side note, this should be in the "Nothing up my sleeve forum"...having it in a forum all about trick coins and gimmicks might give the wrong idea. :)

Nick
Message: Posted by: Steve Fearson (Jan 17, 2007 10:49PM)
I'm really happy to see you guys are getting something out of the video.

I thought it was different enough to market, plus the secret gimmick used in the Devil Coin is a nice revelation to a lot of folks who were already looking for a suitable secret something for use in other effects as well.

The immediate reaction has been very positive. I'm hoping this will encourage Coin Devil to share a few more ideas.

Thanks again,

Steve
Message: Posted by: Mike.Shots (Jan 18, 2007 09:40AM)
Is this a 'quarters only' concealment, or can it be done with larger coins?
Message: Posted by: jimmyj (Jan 18, 2007 12:31PM)
Hello,
I purchased Devil Coin and I like it. It's interesting. You can use half dollars but I wouldn't go any larger than that. Just my opinion.

Jim
Message: Posted by: jolyonjenkins (Jan 19, 2007 04:42AM)
So is it just Stuck with a more "synthetic" gimmick?
Message: Posted by: sickmagic (Jan 19, 2007 07:02AM)
Here is my review of it, I also posted it in the review section but thought a honest and full review would be needed here as well.

Devil Coin review: So after much talk on the café about this I decided to take the plunge. There was a lot of talk about it not being original and a lot of stuff regarding Mr. Fearson, I put all that aside and decided to check it out. This will be a real review, not one that will be blemished regarding the trick.

First off credit has been given to the proper people regarding the move and were the idea came from so all the rip off stuff can stop.
The method, not exactly what I thought however I was surprised to the 3rd impromptu method, which in my opinion is the best out of all them.

You get the main version (gimmicked) which is clever and is a great addition to a routine, not just a vanish the way it was taught. The method I am not going to expose, however some have said stuff regarding stuck and I can say that this is actually more natural then stuck, however I do like both. It basically is a nice way to do stuck if you would like to and be more natural with it. Please buy Stuck and Devil Coin, don't pass on off Stuck because you buy Devil coin! They both are good and you will have a good arsenal with both concepts.

Now the video has 4 versions, one is gimmicked (easy to find and easy to work) and the other 3 are impromptu.

The gimmicked version, is original to some extent and not to some other extent, let me explain: The move is not really that original but proper credit is given in a notepad file, the gimmick is unique because it is something that is somewhat new to the market, however there were different things people used to try to accomplish the same thing, however with this gimmick it is safe to say that it is sure fire after practicing all day with it.

The first impromptu version very good and would work great if no gimmick is with you.

The second impromptu version is nothing special or nothing new under the sun however, credit was given and that is good enough for me.

I saved the best for last, WOW WOW WOW the third impromptu version is nice and perfect for the strolling performer and perfect when you are out and about...I CAN NOT STRESS ENOUGH HOW GOOD THIS VERSION OF IT IS... Is it original? I am not sure and to be honest I am sure that the credits covered it in the notepad file. This is the one I will always use when the gimmick is not with me.

Just to clarify a few things, the gimmick can be bought at any store for only a few dollars and is well worth it, but once again the 3rd impromptu version is in my opinion the best on the video.

The video leaves a bit to be desired as it is rough, however for the price you can't beet it plus did I mention the 3rd impromptu version ROCKS!

If I was rating this, which really I am not I am trying to give a fair review, I would rate it a 8 out of 10 why only a 8 mostly just because of the quality of the video and the fact that the coin devil himself has not shown his face! Are we having another Devo on our hands? Not sure? Or is the Devil coin guy the one on the Fearson sex video? And is that why he doesn't want to show his face? I am not sure what that is all about but I did find this video on the web and found it funny.... LOL

http://DownLowMagic.com

Whoever is putting this out is either the biggest scum bag in the world or is being paid very well, I am not sure but you know what I don't care.
I care about the effect at hand and the effect for 7 bucks is a great deal and well versed for the beginner and the advanced in magic. It is one of those things were you would say why didn't I think of that. Anyway this is my review and my two cents.

Bottom line I recommend this and support the product and think that is well worth the price!
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Jan 19, 2007 07:16AM)
I'm sure the beginners around here will enjoy the coin vanish, but I hope they really didn't do "that" with the dog.
Message: Posted by: sickmagic (Jan 19, 2007 07:40AM)
Who knows, I know I don't want to see Steve Fearson naked so I won't find out I cared more about giving a honest review about the trick, however I find the whole video thing funny!
Message: Posted by: magicman1 (Jan 26, 2007 04:15PM)
Can't seem to make a payment from Pay-pal..will try again later

Don
Message: Posted by: Tom G (Jan 27, 2007 10:27AM)
For seven dollars I took the plunge. It's pretty good, a little questionable about why they thought they had to disguise the voice, that's a little annoying and probably for no reason at all... As for the routines, I remember a guy years ago using most of the same ideas.
Message: Posted by: magicman1 (Jan 27, 2007 02:50PM)
I also finally got it..
It's ok but your right I couldn't understand half of what he was saying because of the disguise...

think It will help out the other one "stuck" very nicely..
Don
Message: Posted by: Steve Fearson (Jan 28, 2007 01:39AM)
I just want to say that the guy running [url=http://downlowmagic.com]DownLowMagic.com[/url] is despicable.

My lawyers are on the case and you can rest assured I'm doing everything I can to stop the release of this unauthorized tape.

I'm not saying it's not me. It could be. It kind of looks like me.

But I can't afford to have my otherwise spotless reputation marred. If they do manage to release the video, you can rest assured that I am not profiting from it in any way.

This kind of publicity I do not need.

Especially during the release of my new downloadable video from Coin Devil,
.... [url=http://devilcoin.downloadmagic.com]THE DEVIL COIN[/url] ....

Steve Fearson
Message: Posted by: breeze4507 (Jan 29, 2007 04:26AM)
I also purchased the effect, and I agree with sickmagic 100%, Steve gives credit were credit is due. And for the price You can't go wrong. ROCK ON STEVE.........
Message: Posted by: Andy the cardician (Jan 29, 2007 09:26PM)
I am rather confused by the DownLowMagic.com site - not sure what the purpose of the site is . . . and who would benefit from it . . .
Message: Posted by: magicman899 (Feb 14, 2007 11:08AM)
Looks like the harada hold.
Message: Posted by: Spackle666 (Feb 17, 2007 01:43AM)
Hmmm, this looks like a lot of different things. It reminds me of an idea that Bill Tarr published so many years ago using a h**k coin. I do have to say that I Love it when people come up with some new half baked concept, make a video/dvd using their computer and then try to market it. I mean don't get me wrong. It is their right to produce this stuff, just as much as it your right to buy it. I just love the fact that this distracts those who are easily attracted to "shiny things," leaving the real work for those of us who have more discerning tastes.
Message: Posted by: sallan (Apr 26, 2007 01:11AM)
I picked it up. For $7.00 I have paid for more for a good coin vanish at ellusionist. I must say I like the impromtu methods, one I know, the other the third, similar to another coin vanish on the market albeit different enough to be called different.

Easy download, easy methods, good instruction, poor quality video, but for $7 you get the production values you pay for. Hope to see more from the coin devil! Good work, practical enough, and easy to mix-methods with all your other coin material.

Best buy in a while...is Steves other stuff as good? I really like his cigarette routine, was thinking of picking it up, anyone have a comment?
Message: Posted by: Memory-Jah (May 14, 2007 08:15PM)
Why would I bother myself carrying (using) a gimmick when there is one of the best coin techniques ever: the harada hold.

I am just asking myself...