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Topic: When NOT to do magic...?
Message: Posted by: Comedy Writer (Jan 22, 2007 07:59PM)
Are there time/ places where magic is not appropiate?
Message: Posted by: TheMagicalTurtle (Jan 22, 2007 08:34PM)
Funerals, in my opinion, would be a magic turnoff.

Jokes aside, there is a time and place for all entertainment. You have to know when not to pull out your linking rings and start a routine. Never start an effect, privately or otherwise, while another person is speaking or performing. It's extremely disrespectful.

If you're at a formal gathering, I think it to be appropriate to only do magic when invited. If you happen to be among people that you aren't familiar with, hinting to them during conversation about your "magical capabilities" would be a good way to get a show on the road.

Sticking to the old phrase 'there's a time and a place for everything' and using good ole' common sense can usually tell you when magic isn't appropriate.

Hope that helped.

The best,

Cameron
Message: Posted by: ToasterofDoom (Jan 22, 2007 09:17PM)
Don't perform magic if you're not supposed to be the center of attention. It might make the host jealous.
Message: Posted by: djrdjr (Jan 22, 2007 10:09PM)
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On 2007-01-22 21:34, TheMagicalTurtle wrote:
Funerals, in my opinion, would be a magic turnoff.
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[i]Somebody's[/i] never seen a coffin sawed in half!
Message: Posted by: mrunge (Jan 23, 2007 08:30AM)
Great question.

I think there ARE times when it is not appropriate to perform magic. It would seem that inappropriate occasions would be obvious when you're in them. The mood, or reason for the gathering, is just not right.

As they say..."let your conscience be your guide."

Mark.
Message: Posted by: BrianMillerMagic (Jan 23, 2007 10:30AM)
I'm actually glad someone brought this up because it IS important. There are many times when magic is not appropriate to be performed. In fact I find myself in situations where there are people asking/begging me to "show them a trick" because they know this is what I do, and I have to try to explain that it's not a good time/place for any number of reasons. Don't let people guilt you into peforming if it isn't the right time or place. As mrunge said, you'll know when it is or isn't a proper time to perform.
Message: Posted by: thoughtsexplorer (Jan 23, 2007 10:47AM)
Neither my wife nor my girlfriends like me to show cardtricks when we have... (well, I am quite sure you guess that...)
Message: Posted by: Michael Peterson (Jan 23, 2007 04:10PM)
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On 2007-01-23 11:47, thoughtsexplorer wrote:
Neither my wife nor my girlfriends like me to show cardtricks when we have... (well, I am quite sure you guess that...)
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You have a wife and girlfriends? That is a trick itself!
Message: Posted by: ToasterofDoom (Jan 23, 2007 06:00PM)
Or very strong misdirection :)
Message: Posted by: mithrius (Jan 24, 2007 08:55PM)
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On 2007-01-23 19:00, ToasterofDoom wrote:
Or very strong misdirection :)
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Who said this stuff wouldn't come in handy?
Message: Posted by: David Bond (Jan 24, 2007 11:08PM)
It is probably very strong delusion.

Why is it easier to see when the other person doing something at the wrong time than it is to see when you are doing it yourself? Or am I the only one for whom this is true?
Message: Posted by: CasualSoul (Jan 25, 2007 02:35AM)
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On 2007-01-23 11:47, thoughtsexplorer wrote:
Neither my wife nor my girlfriends like me to show cardtricks when we have... (well, I am quite sure you guess that...)
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:rotf: Totally! I've actually been borderline assaulted by them for attempting to show my latest trick.
Message: Posted by: Eddie Torres (Jan 26, 2007 01:53AM)
I knew a young magician who had that he performed at funerals on his business card, it was the funniest friggin' thing. "Birthdays, Weddings, Funerals, Corporate events..."


Eddie
Message: Posted by: BobGreaves (Jan 26, 2007 02:32PM)
I know plenty of girls who themselves have turned a trick or two in their time, police surveillance not withstanding. You should see their method for the disappearing $100 bill routine.
Message: Posted by: Maleficia (Jan 27, 2007 05:11PM)
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On 2007-01-23 11:47, thoughtsexplorer wrote:
Neither my wife nor my girlfriends like me to show cardtricks when we have... (well, I am quite sure you guess that...)
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I'm pretty sure they'd be more interested in your other "tricks" at that point. *lol*
Message: Posted by: ViciousCycle (Jan 27, 2007 09:09PM)
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On 2007-01-23 11:47, thoughtsexplorer wrote:
Neither my wife nor my girlfriends like me to show cardtricks when we have... (well, I am quite sure you guess that...)
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On the other hand, picture this situation. You and yours are wearing nothing but an afterglow. One's significant other is playing with your ring hand casually and can see /feel that it is empty. Then one reaches out with that same hand and pulls out a large Chinese coin (1.5 inches high) from their ear. Done at just the right moment when the two of you are about to get up anyway, it can create a surreal little transition.

Ummmm.... entirely theoretical situation. Of course. Yeah, that's it.
Message: Posted by: Andy the cardician (Jan 27, 2007 09:35PM)
That would be a magical turn-off first grade . . .
Message: Posted by: AaronTheMagician (Jan 28, 2007 12:12AM)
No matter where I go, I'm set...
but...
it's usually NOT a good idea to perform in stores that haven't hired you (department stores), in malls (security is tight), funerals (duh), your wedding night (just no cards...in theory...), at a sporting event during the game...unless hired to do so, in a school...unless hired..., basically don't just start performing where it could get you into trouble or upset someone. When people pay to see you, that's a whole 'nother animal.
Message: Posted by: montemagic (Jan 28, 2007 12:19AM)
For scientologists...
Message: Posted by: M@gic Man (Jan 28, 2007 04:41AM)
You also have to think about if a trick is going to work in the right places. If you are doing magic with a ITR for example, if you think the lighting conditions are not appropriate I wouldn’t risk performing, even if that is the only effect you have on you at the time.

This is just an example of another way of looking at the whole appropriate theme.

Hope that helps.
Message: Posted by: SoCalPro (Jan 28, 2007 12:27PM)
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On 2007-01-28 01:19, montemagic wrote:
For scientologists...
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Oh really. I have not heard this one. Can you elaborate?
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Feb 14, 2007 07:29PM)
When NOT to do magic...?

When no one ASKS me to!

I RARELY volunteer...learned that the hard way.

Doug
Message: Posted by: chrisgq (Feb 24, 2007 06:33PM)
How bout during Communion/Mass at church? Is that a thumbs up, down, what?
Message: Posted by: djrdjr (Feb 24, 2007 10:15PM)
Water into wine would KILL then!
Message: Posted by: Bendy (Feb 24, 2007 10:24PM)
I've used magic to illustrate points or to hold the attention of the congregation in church with no complaints of it having been inappropriate. However, magic has been deemed as inappropriate at work.

I have a "real" job and, although my company has hired other magicians and have asked me to perform at various company functions, I found that using magic in a conference room to both break the monotony AND to illustrate a point was not well-received. I was looked at as childish, (by people younger than me, even), and unprofessional. Even worse than those who thought it so inappropriate as to miss my entire point, were those who just stared at me blankly. ...Blinking and completely silent. Not in awe and wonder at the illusion or at my point of business. ...Just basically being bored, breathing furniture!

So, I've concluded that from the pulpit in church, it's okay. At a conference table during a bored...er, I mean, "board" meeting - not okay. At least not for my company. They apparently only want me to do magic at specified times and for reasons they deem worthy and not for my own presentations while on company time and property.
Message: Posted by: ibm_usa (Feb 25, 2007 03:11PM)
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On 2007-02-24 23:24, Bendy wrote:
I've used magic to illustrate points or to hold the attention of the congregation in church with no complaints of it having been inappropriate. However, magic has been deemed as inappropriate at work.

I have a "real" job and, although my company has hired other magicians and have asked me to perform at various company functions, I found that using magic in a conference room to both break the monotony AND to illustrate a point was not well-received. I was looked at as childish, (by people younger than me, even), and unprofessional. Even worse than those who thought it so inappropriate as to miss my entire point, were those who just stared at me blankly. ...Blinking and completely silent. Not in awe and wonder at the illusion or at my point of business. ...Just basically being bored, breathing furniture!

So, I've concluded that from the pulpit in church, it's okay. At a conference table during a bored...er, I mean, "board" meeting - not okay. At least not for my company. They apparently only want me to do magic at specified times and for reasons they deem worthy and not for my own presentations while on company time and property.
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WOW! that totally contradicts everything I read about using magic as a ice breaker! I was always told magic in business settings was a good way of hold attention!
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Feb 26, 2007 01:27PM)
Funny you mention funerals. It makes the point that not all can be painted with a broad brush. Here is what I mean. I WORKED ONE.

I was just starting and the family had a ton of kids. They didn't want them running arround so I was hired to keep them busy. It was early in my career when I did kids magic. (as a matter of fact it fell in a 4 week period in which I did kids magic). I was paid very well as it worked out. I did 25 minute shows and did them about every hour. The kids got rotated through, nobody hired a baby sitter and it went relativly well.

BUT AS A RULE it is a bad idea to do magic at a funeral.

BUt also let me say that I see guys doing magic at inappropriate places all the time. Most of which havn't been mentioned. How about the loby of a Ricky Jay and His 52 Assistants show? Yep saw it done.

How about when another magician is doing table magic and you decide to run through your scales with the cards? Nope not appropriate. Happened once a week at Schuliens.

How about just foisting magic on unsuspecting people? Or my favorite, people who want to do comedy and card tricks for the gal at WalMart, usually when I am in a hurry behind them.

The guys who want to change the singles into 20's because they just bought the trick.

Yea safe to say I have seen LOTS of places where you just shouldn't be doing magic.

How about doing magic when your paid or asked? Seems pretty simple really.
Message: Posted by: jamesjay1 (Feb 26, 2007 04:55PM)
I would think that one place you wouldn't want to perform your stuff is when someone else is performing. But that's just bad form.......

Places not to perform magic
On a ship that's sinking....
At a Quaker colony.........
Salem, Mass.....circa 1600...
During a baptism or circumcison (although.......nevermind)
Message: Posted by: airship (Mar 3, 2007 10:00AM)
It's really in bad taste to run up to strangers in the street shouting "Watch this! Watch this!"

Oh, wait, no, that's not in bad taste anymore, that's a CAREER! :(
Message: Posted by: BrianMillerMagic (Mar 3, 2007 04:30PM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-03 11:00, airship wrote:
It's really in bad taste to run up to strangers in the street shouting "Watch this! Watch this!"

Oh, wait, no, that's not in bad taste anymore, that's a CAREER! :(
[/quote]

You may get slammed for that one from some followers...but in the mean time: :rotf:
Message: Posted by: BCaldwell (Mar 4, 2007 10:24PM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-03 11:00, airship wrote:
It's really in bad taste to run up to strangers in the street shouting "Watch this! Watch this!"

Oh, wait, no, that's not in bad taste anymore, that's a CAREER! :(
[/quote]

I thought the line was "Wanna see some magic?" in the most monotone voice you can muster! :huh:
Message: Posted by: Charlie the Tuna (Mar 5, 2007 02:02PM)
Never perform magic in a library? They get cranky
Message: Posted by: WagsterMagic (Mar 10, 2007 08:52PM)
You can also lock yourself in a glass bowl and hold your breath as long as you can. That always gathers a crowd.

Haha...

Best
Brandon
Message: Posted by: Dan Paulus (Mar 15, 2007 10:28AM)
Years ago I worked as a teller in a small casino in Carson City, NV.
My shift was from 10pm to 3am, not a lot of action and I was bored most of the time. One night I decided to tease the overhead camera by picking up a $100 chip from my till and vanishing it with a retention vanish. I then VERY CLEARLY caused the chip to reappear!
I was asked by security to never do that again.
Message: Posted by: Montethrower (Mar 15, 2007 10:45AM)
Very funny Dan. I can only imagine the expressions back in the view room!1

Best,
Monte
Message: Posted by: Dan Paulus (Mar 15, 2007 11:03AM)
I'll bet they were more pleasant than the expressions I received! :angry:
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 16, 2007 11:56PM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-03 11:00, airship wrote:
It's really in bad taste to run up to strangers in the street shouting "Watch this! Watch this!"

Oh, wait, no, that's not in bad taste anymore, that's a CAREER! :(
[/quote]

You will take heat for this indeed as Brian said, but I got your back. THAT WAS HILARIOUS!
Message: Posted by: Erdnase27 (Mar 17, 2007 03:36AM)
Well walking to someone who is busy talkig, is in a hurry etc while saying:

can I show you something that transcents the mind

isn't appropiate

:) :) :)
Message: Posted by: The Mac (Mar 17, 2007 11:40AM)
Times not to magic:

If you're a doctor performing a triple bypass and you decide to do a sponge ball routine.

When the cops pull you over for drunk driving (dont ask..)

When you're meant to be performing intimately with your significant other and you feel the need to do a david Copperfield dance routine...
Message: Posted by: Comedy Writer (Mar 18, 2007 12:59PM)
Good points, everyone. I'd add that doing magic during another magician's routine -- like at your local club -- is rude.

Comedy writer guy
Message: Posted by: JasonbytheOcean (Mar 22, 2007 12:25PM)
Here are two I learned, almost the hard way -

Never pull out a gaffed deck in a casino, unless you have clear permission from the proprietors. I performed for a charity night once and it was fine because they knew in advance what I was doing (and the cards were a different design from what the dealers were using). Another time I was in a casino where a friend was working and asked if she wanted to see something. She stopped me just as I was reaching into my coat pocket for the deck, undoubtedly saving me a bit of trouble.

Also, be aware that in some places where others may be performing, you may have legal limitations. I was working on a cruise ship in a non-entertainment capacity and was not allowed to perform because it violated the contracts of the other entertainers the ship had hired.

Cheers,

Jason
Message: Posted by: Christian Illusionist (Mar 28, 2007 06:55PM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-03 11:00, airship wrote:
It's really in bad taste to run up to strangers in the street shouting "Watch this! Watch this!"

Oh, wait, no, that's not in bad taste anymore, that's a CAREER! :(
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On 2007-03-04 23:24, BCaldwell wrote:
I thought the line was "Wanna see some magic?" in the most monotone voice you can muster! :huh:
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On 2007-03-10 21:52, WagsterMagic wrote:
You can also lock yourself in a glass bowl and hold your breath as long as you can. That always gathers a crowd.

Haha...

Best
Brandon
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On 2007-03-17 04:36, MichielTummers wrote:
Well walking to someone who is busy talkig, is in a hurry etc while saying:

can I show you something that transcents the mind

isn't appropiate

:) :) :)
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Great stuff. If you all could learn to 'team juggle' while doing that I'd fly out to see it! :lol:
Message: Posted by: Cardinal Bunal (Mar 30, 2007 07:50AM)
[quote]Funerals, in my opinion, would be a magic turnoff. [/quote]

Actually, this would seriously be a turnoff ;)

Maybe not in the restroom... they'd have scatological associations with your persona as a magician if you do it in there. Seriously.
Message: Posted by: phillys (Apr 4, 2007 07:37AM)
Seems like many of us are thinking on the same wavelength! The first thing that came into my mind was funeral too. It's just not a right thing to do when others are mourning and you're trying to perform your brand new kickass COMEDY ROUTINE. Unless you were hired to be a 'babysitter' like Danny :)

However, I have always dreamed of performing some sort of gambler's routine in a casino where the players are allowed to handle the deck(which probably don't exist, anyway). But, hey, a man can dream, right?
Message: Posted by: Cardinal Bunal (Apr 4, 2007 08:17AM)
In a moving car....
Message: Posted by: David O (Apr 4, 2007 10:28AM)
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On 2007-04-04 09:17, Cardinal Bunal wrote:
In a moving car....
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I once did that. It took five minutes after the car stopped to find all the dropped cards, and I still have a lost half dollar.
Message: Posted by: Shufton (Apr 11, 2007 04:58AM)
Sometimes it could just be the wrong effect at the wrong time:

Avoid the "living or dead" test at a funeral.

Avoid misers dream at the bank.

Cigarette productions in court.

Avoid stigmata in church.

Etc.
Message: Posted by: Borack (Apr 28, 2007 03:21PM)
Umm, I don't think I would do it awaiting your turn in traffic court either...!!
Message: Posted by: magic777 (May 6, 2007 09:12PM)
My insight into this would be that some spectators do not like magic. If you can deduce this for an impromptu audience perhaps by a well placed comment or question then you can avoid performing your magic for deaf ears. For them a miracle is surely wasted.
Message: Posted by: pikacrd (May 7, 2007 02:17PM)
Some very funny stuff on this thread.

One more place that I do not recall reading about is at Brick and Mortar Magic Shops unless invited to do so.

This happens all of the time where Mr. Magic walks in and wants to show his chops and does not buy a thing, Mr. Magic is happy to tell potential customers what free web page / e-book he learned his newest knuckle buster at and the urge to buy is shot. As a group of magicians we need to remember that the focus of the owner of that shop is to demo and sell us the latest and greatest gizmo / prop on the market. In order for this dieing breed to continue to be around in the future we need to remember that we should be supporting the local shops and not getting in the way when they are focused on selling. Controlling your urge to have a self fulfilling ego stroke at the expense of your local shop will go a long way to make sure that these hard working individuals are around for years to come.

My favorite post on this thread Look, Look, Look:

[quote]
On 2007-03-03 11:00, airship wrote:
It's really in bad taste to run up to strangers in the street shouting "Watch this! Watch this!"

Oh, wait, no, that's not in bad taste anymore, that's a CAREER! :(
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Lee Darrow (May 21, 2007 02:10AM)
Well, I have broken just about every "rule" mentioned here.

Funerals - several people I know have passed away and ASKED for there to BE entertainment at their funerals and I was asked to do so. At other funerals, members of the family have asked me to distract the kids by doing some magic in the coffee room at the funeral home...

Casinos - have actually hired me to do strolling magic - while people were waiting for the boat to return to the shore (back in the days when Illinois casinos actually had to be sailing on the rivers)...

After the fun part with a significant other - by request (but it was usually hyposis and it was because she was into that sort of thing... don't ask a gentleman ever talks about such things).

With strangers in the street - no shouting "Watch this!" however... but doing street performance work at Ren Faires and festivals...

In a local magic shop without being invited to, mainly because nobody else was THERE! Yep, the guy behind the counter had gone to the back and I was the only one there, with a friend. And my friend asked about a specific trick that I had on me...

In court, during jury duty selection - the judge asked what I did for a living. He didn't believe me. Then he did.

When the cops pulled me over, late at night and didn't believe me when I said I was on my way home from a gig. Then he believed.

You get the idea...

Lee Darrow, C.H.
Message: Posted by: harris (May 31, 2007 09:39AM)
During another magician's(or other entertainers) Gig.
Message: Posted by: kilgourpower (Jun 3, 2007 05:35PM)
Whilst making love.
Dove and rabbit crap everywhere!
Message: Posted by: Phil Thomas (Jun 4, 2007 08:08PM)
In a public restroom...whilst in your stall, you crack off a big one and then yell "TADAAAAAA!!!! :bg:
Message: Posted by: Lee Darrow (Jun 12, 2007 06:26PM)
During your Selective Service Medical Exam. Military Doctors HATE finding strange things in places that they are not supposed to be!

During the delivery of your first child - levitating the kid is a sure way to get a visit from your local exorcist and maybe a trip to the local hoosegow for the intentional infliction of mental anguish on the delivery room staff!

Just a couple that even I wouldn't do!

:lol:

Lee Darrow, C.H.
Message: Posted by: daniel_lachman (Jun 21, 2007 07:44PM)
During a dramatic movie or a wedding ceremony :)
Message: Posted by: Sealegs (Jul 7, 2007 11:38AM)
If your potential audience is just one person.. and doing something other than a magic trick was on your mind when you tore open the condom packet... then it is probably not the best moment to suddenly decide to show your insignificant other the 'chosen coin through latex sheet' penetration.

Also at this point, try to avoid the temptation of inflating the condom and doing the needle through balloon penertration. Believe me, the last thing your audience, of one, wants to see at that moment is you stuggling to put a very small prick put in the end of it.

Neal
Message: Posted by: DP the Great (Jul 7, 2007 01:36PM)
[quote]
On 2007-04-04 11:28, David O wrote:
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On 2007-04-04 09:17, Cardinal Bunal wrote:
In a moving car....
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I once did that. It took five minutes after the car stopped to find all the dropped cards, and I still have a lost half dollar.
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that's why you don't do cards in a moving car. Comon, its cards, 52 of them. I do magic in the car all the time. You just have to know with what. Its not that doing magic in the car is inappropriate, it is just a mater of convenience. -DP