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Message: Posted by: Eddini_81976 (Jan 24, 2007 04:29PM)
(Okay this is just a Copy & Paste I posted somewhere on Derren Brown. To understand how this came up, here is the URL, to the [b]entire[/b] post.

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=192959&forum=217&start=0 .

I was discussing B.S. explanations that as magicians [b]we all[/b] give at times usually in jest as my F[b]first[/b] explanation notes. The [b]focus[/b] however is in my [b]second[/b] presentation. As I write I'm not even sure if it's possible. I just "don't want to play with fire" so to speak unless [b]I know for sure[/b] what I'm doing? Thanks for the advice, Ed)


Thanks I'll PM you. Okay all Magicians when asked by layman give what I call B.S. answers, and I do that too...lol. So saying that have I know "Kind of Hit The Nail On The Head As Far as his Explanations Go"? Hear are two cut short explanations I give to people. Usually I say it with a twinkle in my eye, but other times I'm [b]very good[/b] at telling the most screwed up totally [b]outrageous[/b] stories with complete seriousness and a straight face though I'm laughing in my head. 90% of the people will laugh and know I'm blowing "Smoke Up Their a**", some though really [b]believe[/b] what I've said. Obviously I tell them at the end I was kidding. Here are the two B.S. (one a bit gory...lol) that I give.

1) Thumbcuff Escape - "How the Hell did you get get out of them Eddini"? My response is thus..."Well I have a razor blade in a pocket in my skin, so under the handkerchief I cut both of my thumbs off remove the thumbcuffs, and then re-attach my thumbs and hide my razor blade again. Now your probably are like "Yeah Right you wacky S.O.B. if you did that you'd have blood everywhere". NOT if you're like me and through the [b]power of hypnosis[/b], I can stop all blood flow and re-attach my thumbs and through the power of my mind without even leaving a scar. Pretty cool eh....?" I then smile and go on to my next effect. Obviously [b]most[/b] know I'm B.S.ing them and laugh it off.

(The next effect I do, I do it with great intensity and seriousness. Probably I'd guess maybe 30% will really [b]believe[/b] my explanation...lol. I never ask afterwards so I couldn't tell you).

2) Spectator As The Mentalist (Ted Lesley) - (Okay here's the basic effect. You use a ****** Deck to begin with. You tell the person that they'll "for real" read your mind. People get freaked by this. I was fooled by it the first time I saw it even, then felt syupid when I learned the secret...Hahahaha...LMAO. Basically you just [b]mentally[/b] select a card as the person fans the cards towards you. You then have them mix the cards and to table spread them face down. You say just so you don't think I'm just going along with this I'll name the [b]card before it's turned over[/b]. You tell them to just take their index and to just run it over the face-down cards until all of a sudden their hand will automatically rest on the back on a card. You tell them [b]very important here[/b] to push it [b]toward[/b] you still [b]face down[/b]. You then tell them to ask you "Mr. Eddini Sir (lol...) What Card were you just merely thinking of"? They do so, and you say for instance the Jack Of Spades. You then tell them to [b]then[/b] turn over the card and mother of God it's the Jack of Spades. That's the effect. Now Lesley kind of plays it straight forward but to me for fun I "Doctored it Up a Bit...lol"). I tell them that to a certain extent we [b]all[/b] have "Psychic Abilities", (and [b]I really do[/b] believe while [b]not psychic[/b] we do for [b]real[/b] have intuitive powers some more than others so I'm half being true when I say that), and that through Hypnosis I'll give some the "Gift" to actually read my mind." (Now I [b]do[/b] really get into this. I'm like people this is very serious stuff so when I'm talking to this person [b]I need complete silence[/b]...etc...lol). I do this with females. So here's the Beginning of the effect...

"Okay you young lady will you help me please? Thanks, and you name is? Sara, okay cool. Everyone give Sara a hand. Now Sara have you ever been Hypnotized? No? Well there's a first time for everything right. Are you a little nervous. You are? (or not), Look Sara I promise you, everything will go smoothly, and that afterwards you'll be the same person okay hon? Sara I must stress that you listen to me and do [b]exactly[/b] as I say okay? Cool. Now people [b]I'm being very, very, serious[/b] now no games, as I do this I need complete silence okay? Thanks. (As I do all of my tricks / mentalism [b]always[/b], always without sleeves I even wear no watch, but use a pocket watch Gold and shiny in color. It did have a chain attached to it, but removed it. It's really cheap like $7.00, but looks nice. Well it doesn't know the battery ran out I got a new one last Christmas. Also the cover that would clip and cover the time tore off. So I would just move the single piece with my hand before their eyes. Just because I [b]love[/b] this presentation and [b]I really do[/b], do it with all seriousness I want to buy a cheap medallion or another cheap shiny watch with a cover and a chain attached to it.)

Sara, here in my pocket I have a shiny watch that I'll use to put you under okay? Alright Sara, I'm going swing this before your eyes, and you [b]must[/b] watch it carefully okay? Nice. As I do this I will count backwards to from 10-0 and you'll then be under. I'll snap my fingers once and you'll come to but [b]be hypnotized[/b]. To take you out of it I'm going to clap once and you'll lose your PSYCHIC ABILITIES, sorry hon. Is that all cool? Okay we're set then. (I'll then motion what I'm saying I'm doing, and [b]I really do[/b] try to mimic for [b]real[/b] what I've seen Hypnotist do on T.V. You know what since I really [b]know[/b] Hypnotism is real, and [b]just now[/b] thinking about it there is the remote possibility that by accident [b]I really[/b] could possibly put someone under, and I'm not trained or have read much on this, could someone here who is a [b]real hypnotist[/b] tell me exactly what to do, in a PM, [b]please?[/b] I really, [b]really[/b] am being serious, if I really did hypnotize someone and couldn't "Snap them back" tell me what to do.

Shoot I feel [b]stupid[/b] now thinking about it as that is irresponsible. It's still a [b]great[/b] presentation and I'll keep doing it [b]only[/b] after I get a PM if in case someone really does go under, I'll know what to do. Anyway anyone wanting to use this presentation has my permission (not that I'm sure it's mine to give, as I don't want to sound pompous...lol) with this effect or one like it. [b]Trust[/b] me it really takes this effect to a [b]whole new level[/b], as I too did it straight forward when I first learned it off of Lesley's DVD.) Okay Sara as I swing this now really watch it and listen to me. 10, 9, 8, Now you're feeling relaxed with sand in your eyes..7, 6, 5, now you're eyes ARE becoming heavy, and you [b]can't[/b] help but slowly close your eyes (and like most people do start looking a little sleepy and DO shut their eyes)...4, 3, now your eyes are close, 2, 1, 0. Okay Sara you're under and need to really listen to me. When I snap my fingers once you'll open your eyes, but you'll awaken with the "Gift of being Psychic", but with my mind only, okay?" (They nod or say yes. I snap once and open their eyes) "Snap !!!", okay you're eyes are open. How do you fell? Okay good. You feel like you can now read my mind right?" (They'll nod or answer yes). " Sara take this deck of cards, and is you're a good Mind Reader you'll mix the cards. Okay great job. Sara fan the cards towards me so that I can see the the cards faces. That way I'll know you're not cheating by controlling the card or something if I were to pull one out of the deck okay. Fan them now please, and say Mr. Eddini Sir, Please just think of any card that you merely only look at mentally." They do so. "I do as they ask, and then tell them I got one card in my mind. "Now square the cards, and if you're a good Mind Reader you'll mix them again. Very well. Now fan them face down so you can see all the backs. (If they can't you help them table spread the cards). Okay just take your finger and like 3 inches or so above the spread and just move your finger back and forth, don't rush it but [b]you will[/b] suddenly find you hand getting heavy and you're finger resting on the back of a card. Great that one? Are you sure? Okay push it toward me face down. Thanks. Now just so you know I'll tell you my card [b]before[/b] you turn it over so you know that I'm not "just going along with this okay?" Great. Now Sara ask me "Mr. Eddini Sir, what card were you just [b]merely thinking[/b] of". Sara I was thing of the Jack of Spades. Now you yourself turn the card face up. (They do, and as I said people freak, and I get my applause). Okay Sara I'll clap once and you'll no longer be able to Reaf My Mind and will be bavk to normal, plus if you're a smoker you'll no longer smoke and find that cigarettes literally taste like [b]ash[/b], okay? Cool, [b]"clasp!!![/b]." She then "comes out of it". End of effect. Again [b]please[/b] try this presentation. I literally spelled it out for you, [b]but, don't[/b] be like me, [b]please[/b] know just in case as I think it may be possible as I'm no Hypnosis expert, that by some way they do go under you [b]definitely[/b] know how you get them "Back".

You know I'm so glad I wrote that. It took a while, but I learned a lesson on how f****** stupid and irresponsible I was being and I didn't know it. What a ******* on my part. I apologize to the community for that. So please a Legit [b]expert only[/b] in Hypnosis PM, or just respond here on what I asked for. I thank you very, [b]very much[/b] in advance.

Okay, back to Derren Brown "Explanations" - So Chris did I really fall for a ruse that I and we all do as far as giving a B.S. well not too much of a explanation but rather a presentation when I think about it...lol? I don't think however except for maybe 20% of what he explains he all B.S. Maybe 20% like I said is. So like me is that "Kind Of What he does"/ Did I finally "Get It" Yes or No? Thanks again Chris. Ed, (Eddini).
Message: Posted by: suspectacts (Jan 26, 2007 10:59AM)
Eddy,

There is just no way someone can tell you EVERYTHING you need to know about what to do if things go wrong. That's why people commit to real hypnosis training; so they feel confident.

So here's my suggestion: just avoid the terms HYPONOSIS and TRANCE. By taking these words out of the script you will help to keep your volunteer from 'going someplace' you will need to help them get OUT of (the technical term is Abreaction). Trust me on this: when it happens, it can be scary and no card trick is worth the kind of panic it can cause IN YOU.

You can do almost the exact same script (without those words) - including the watch and counting and all the rest, by talking about deep relationation, and focus and getting in touch with your natural psychic powers. Then at the end you can even ask her if she want's you to remove the powers or not. See what she says.

I have to admit I personally have some moral problems with telling people that they have REAL psychic abillities. Don't you feel bad sending them away with a false impression? I guess this is a problem with all metalism.

BTW I have a feeling that a lot of what makes the presentation stronger isn't the words, but the fact that you are setting a tone of seriousness and not just offering to show them a 'trick'. Often the words and terms don't really matter as much as the tone you set. Wouldn't your agree? That's a little psychic power of my own.

Best of luck with your performing remember the oath that doctor's take:

First, do no harm.

Peter
Message: Posted by: Eddini_81976 (Jan 26, 2007 05:52PM)
I agree, and I WANT to take serious training. I want to get into hypnosis. As fare as morally, I tell them they will ONLY read my mind. I snap, and their out of it. Most know I HOPE I'm not really putting someone under. I MYSELF never tell people I'm Psychic. I tell this and I BELIEVE IT, is that we all have intuition, some more than others. Thanks for your feedback, Ed, (Eddini).
Message: Posted by: Eddini_81976 (Feb 1, 2007 12:48AM)
I DO SERIOUSLY want to learn "Basic (NO STOOGES EVER) Stage Hynosis", will a "bit of clinical / therapuetic Hypnosis" you know as I said before I'm really BIG into Psychology, NOT TO MENTION Psychiatry and the study of psychotropic medications. I got into it as a teen I took Psychology and Sociology. I was ALWAYS the guy (still am) that people look to for confort and advice. Also I'm a Manic-Depressive DISORDER. The name these days ib Bipolar. Also since a early teen I've suffered from very severe PANIC ATTACKS so I'd I'd LITERALLY by "Scared StiFF", for up to 2-3 hours NON FRICKEN STOP and "Classic Panic Attacks" in books say they only last at the VERY WORST 30 minutes.

So my back ground a little bit on me. My question is and mind you I ONLY (unless I get under the table work" get a tiny sum of money a little over $600.00 a month. So I saw a guy a few years ago in both Genii and Magic Magazine offering this very big comprehensive $500.00 ourse. I think Lewis was his Last name. Out of my price range. So in short what is like the "One Book BIBLE of Hypnotism" that may run $30.00 - $60.00 at the most.

Thanks You ALL My BROTHERS in Magic & Mentalism, Ed, (Eddini).
Message: Posted by: suspectacts (Feb 1, 2007 11:27AM)
My suggestions is start at the local library and don't forget to use your library's loan program with any local universities or larger cities.

Here in Framingham, I have access to over 25 different Library's as long as I am willing to make the request and wait for the book to be transfered.

Read a couple of intro books on hypnotism ( I know Dummies has a book). Don't focus on the results and wild claims, pay attention to understanding the techniques a hypnotist needs to forster: rapport, understanding and explaining changes of state.

Experiment with self hypnosis so you understand the process like form the inside, and then look for work by Richard Bandler and John Grinder and David Elman. Stay away from older books. They can be misleading. Also definately check out any NLP stuff including the motovational giant (and physical behemoth) Tony Robbins.

Expensive training and books can come later when you need to fine tune. You may be surprized by what you find.
Message: Posted by: Eddini_81976 (Feb 1, 2007 02:44PM)
Thanks I actually am interested in a few guys. Look at these clips from the internet. I was actually hypnotized and SO RELAXED from the computer. This first guy here I LIKE A LOT, he's big into Milt Erikson,I think. Check out also on YOUTUBE Joseph Clough, and a younger guy called PokerWithoutCards. Oh Yes, it's occurred to me to get books at my Local Library and will. Thanks. Also I'm learning LOCK PICKING. I just discovered YOUTUBE a month or so ago, and I'm hooked. My hand actually DID RAISE. It did feel as if it had a balloon tied to it. AWESOME excersize. That's the FIRST URL I'll put up. Then I'll put up the other URLS I watched.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd2C_oDca1I (I liked this best)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQivnZo0K5U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUF8Rjnx26E (This however didn't work on me)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THAnk6eESPw (I'm doing this ever morning)

This guy on his site sells two DVD'S for $39.00 on "How To Hypnotize ANYONE", and "Instant Inductions". This guy is great, and is FOR REAL.

Okay this young man is well. The first URL I put up I watched and again was RELAXED. The SECOND HOWEVER that I put up, I learned from, as I want to be able to do "QUICK Inductions".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F_sE10c1_g


Now the next is on QUICK INDUCTIONS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wcLWyZVOOY


Anyway this is SO FAR what I've watched and learned so far. Besides getting a couple of books, and those $39.00 DVD'S I mentioned above, what I want to do is "Right A Script". I'm bad at memorizing stuff. What's a script you ask? It's what those guys ^ were saying to get me under. I might write ALL THAT THEY WROTE, so I'll have to watch those clips. I'm creative though and probably could write my own. I'll try it on my Mom. Actually I want her to quit smoking too. She has the patches but just doesn't use them. Now I know the basic technique. You use a bad taste (like cigarette ash for instance) so you tell them they'll get that taste in their mouth whenever they crave and or want a smoke. Thanks Ed, (Eddini).
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Feb 3, 2007 02:16PM)
You have picked the wrong road for "serious study".
Message: Posted by: Mark Roberts (Feb 4, 2007 06:04AM)
Hi Eddini,

Trancework - An Introduction to the Practice of Clinical Hypnosis by Dr. Michael Yapko was recommended reading as part of my course. You may want to look it up on Amazon and get yourself a proper background. It's not cheap but then this sort of information never is.

There are also some books by Igor Ledogovski (think that's how you spell it) which should be useful to you on Trance Induction.

Marcus
Message: Posted by: suspectacts (Feb 4, 2007 10:01AM)
Someone help me, I've lost the ability to be helpful!

Eddini_81976 wrote: "Right A Script"

Is that a euphemism for running spell check? Probably not.

Eddini_81976 wrote: I'm bad at memorizing stuff.

So what good is writing a script going to do you? Will you read it to them? Could work 'over the phone', I guess. Pay attention King of Slime...

On 2007-02-01 15:44, Eddini_81976 wrote:
What's a script you ask?

I have so so many questions and yet that was NOT one of them. Cross mind-reading off your list.

On 2007-02-01 15:44, Eddini_81976 wrote:
I'm creative though and probably could write my own.

Yes why leave it up those hacks...

Eddini_81976 wrote: I'll try it on my Mom.

Working on relatives first is a great idea. Good enough for Freud and Skinner. My suggestion is keep practicing with your Mom until you get great results and then more on to strangers in a more formal situation.

Eddini_81976 wrote: Also I'm learning LOCK PICKING.

Best idea so far. By the way, you I have a silent alarm... and a mute but ferocious dog.


PS Ed, as Danny said the internet is a fine way to get leads on learning something like hypnosis, but it's crappy as a source for good information. You will find this is the case the first time you run into trouble either because your induction doesn't work or worse, works. Please know that hypnosis is real and you should feel fully informed before you 'experiment' on anyone.

Remember you're initial post had to do with your worry, fear and concern about 'dabbling' in this stuff. Where is your concern now?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Feb 5, 2007 08:40AM)
I am so done.
Message: Posted by: suspectacts (Feb 5, 2007 09:42AM)
Okay then -

3,2,1 wide awake!
Message: Posted by: MagiClyde (Feb 5, 2007 10:43PM)
A spell checker can only catch words that are spelled incorrectly, not catch grammar mistakes.

As for memorizing and writing scripts, I, too, have problems learning someone else's patter. It is much easier to create my own, as it is less likely that I'll forget it.
Message: Posted by: Eddini_81976 (Feb 5, 2007 11:39PM)
So Danny, why am I looking in the wrong place? As far as a script I could write my own, but it was more in reference to the fact "Do people work off a script"? My concern is still there. I WILL go to the Library as I said so I can learn the right way. As far as the guy I posted in the URL'S I think he's good, and he has a PHD, and I got hypnotized.

As a aside my Science Fiction teacher did Hypnosis, and for ONE CLASS he would do hypnosis. Parents had to sign permission slips. He was the best teacher. He passed on the year after I graduated. Like he would tell a girl that everytime he said a certain word they would stand and salute. He was good. What he did was is he did a mild hypnosis on everyone to see who would make "Good Subjects", like a relaxation meditation. I asked, "Why Didn't You Hypnotize Me?", he said that I was the type "That Would Go Under Way Too Easily". He told me he picked subjects who were "Middle Ground". He didn't want someone (like me) who would go under too quickly and so easily", or "someone who would fight it". So person to person that's the closest to actual hypnosis.

I DO want to learn the right way, that's why as suggested above I will get the books at the Library. Also as I said the guy above as the DVD'S for $39.00. Thanks, Ed, (Eddini).
Message: Posted by: suspectacts (Feb 5, 2007 11:51PM)
Your disection of my comments are both acurate; and like anything you disect, you drain all life from it when you pick it apart.

We all have trouble memorizing scripts; it's just not that easy. But I feel that saying just the right thing is so important to a performance that I am willing to put in the hard work of writing a script (yes of course my own words) and then learning it. Also we are not talking about Patter for a trick, we are talking about in induction. Trust me there's a difference.

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the magic of life is hidden in the plastic finger
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Feb 6, 2007 07:22AM)
[quote]
On 2007-02-05 09:40, Dannydoyle wrote:
I am so done.
[/quote]

Not to quote myself, but I think you missed this post.
Message: Posted by: Eddini_81976 (Feb 6, 2007 08:21PM)
Danny I DID read your second post. You're done with the topic. Why? My point was why am I searching in the wrong place...lol. Yes, I analyze everything. I get it as far as patter. I want to learn, and be SAFE. I'm very interested in RAPID INDUCTION techniques especially. Watching Derren Brown, really shifted me into gear as far as Hypnosis. Read the link at the very top to see my discussion on Derren Brown. I LOVE his "Invisible Man", and "Instant Conversion" clips especially and his use of NLP, though people debate whether he does or not. BUT before him, I've always wanted to learn Hypnosis. My specialties are "Street Magic", "Mentalism", "Metal Bending", "Card Magic", and "Escapology. Thanks, Ed, (Eddini).
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Feb 7, 2007 02:33PM)
[quote]
On 2007-02-05 09:40, Dannydoyle wrote:
I am so done.
[/quote]

Not to be redundant but please read.

Maybe Suspectacts has more info for you and is more inclined to help.
Message: Posted by: Eddini_81976 (Feb 7, 2007 03:22PM)
[quote]
On 2007-02-07 15:33, Dannydoyle wrote:
[quote]
On 2007-02-05 09:40, Dannydoyle wrote:
I am so done.
[/quote]

Not to be redundant but please read.

Maybe Suspectacts has more info for you and is more inclined to help.
[/quote]

I DID read. It's cool...moving on. Ed, (Eddini).
Message: Posted by: Eddini_81976 (Feb 8, 2007 12:02AM)
I saw it I'm sure, this was before I got into Derren Brown, but I see he has a entree here so I've got lots of reading and now I can PERSONALLY "PRAISE JESUS" ... Ooooowww!!!, write him here IM.

As I wrote I want to learn hypnoses now on a serious level. I was told to check out stuff from my library. I have 2 books coming to me through "Inner-Library Loan". Here are the books. These authors were especially suggested to me. Anyway have you read these books?

1) Patterns Of The Hypnotic Techniques Of Milton Erickson M.D. by Richard Bandler & John Grinder.

2) Hypnosis : Medicine Of The Mind A Complete Manual On Hypnosis For The Beginner, Intermediate And Advanced Practitioner, By Michael D. Preston.

I also heard David Ellman is a great author too. I hope I spelled his name right. I'm also going to buy "Hypnosis For Dummies".

I also want to check my local colleges to see if they haves any courses on it. Thanks, Ed, (Eddini). Ooooowww !!!
Message: Posted by: bobser (Feb 21, 2007 06:45PM)
This is a script for a comedy series... yeah?
Message: Posted by: Eddini_81976 (Feb 22, 2007 11:14PM)
For a Comedy Series"....NO!!!!! ...lol.

Look, I posted this just NOW as a seperate single post. I will copy & paste what I wrote in case no looks at the original post.

I got this really good book by Michael Preston J.D., PHD

(I took Suspectacts suggestion and got two books on interlibrary loan. I tried to PM him but couldn't. In case he's reading I saw your act. It was very funny. I especially like the part where they are using their shoes as phone. I cracked up!!! I wish on the vidoe I could've seen the induction technique though. PM me if you like.)

Here's the post.

"The book is called Hypnosis : Medicine Of The Mind.

In Brief : The guy got a Doctorate at Marquette University, and U Penn. He's studied with Dr. Lewis Wolberg, Dr. William Bryan Jr, at the College of Medical Hypnotists, and The American School, of Hypnotists. HE's recieved the National Educator's Award, and FOUNDED in 1968 the Institute of Medical Hypnosis.

The book covers....

Induction Techniques
Deepening Processes
Tests For Hypnotic Depths
Psychoneuroimmunology
Age Regression
Hypnotherapy
Self-Hypnosis
Special Treatment For : Alchohol, Asthma, Choking, Depression, Drugs, Frigidity, Gagging, Impotency, Insomnia, Pain, Stuttering, Weight Loss.

Anyway if you look at my previous posts on Hypnosis you can see where I was niave. I had so many misconception, like Hypnosis is very dangerous. It's NOT, it as been accepted in the Medical Community since 1958. The word Mesmer came from Franz Anton Mesmer...ect. The book has 300 pages I'm ONLY up to 50 pages I'm NOT even up to the induction Techniques. I'm read the Definition of Hypnosis, in which this guy asked a panel, and he got 5 different answers. Dr. Preston's definition is "Hypnosis is then a state of awareness dominated by the Subconcious Mind".

You see I thought like so many that Hypnosis is a trance, a form of sleep...ect, when in ACTUALITY you are MORE aware, and NOT asleep. Also ANYONE can be Hypnotized if they are of average intelligence, and WILLING to follow instruction. As everyone here knows you have TWO minds. The Conscious MInd, and the Subconcious MInd. Basically Hypnosis is Deep Concentration, and Relaxation. You try to cut off the Conscious Stimuli. Did you know by closing your eyes you cut off 1/8 of stimuli. You use words like "Sleep" but that is shorthand for close you eyes and go into deep relaxation. Then in the SUBCONCIOUS you say SUGGESTIONS, the deeper the stage (there are like 4 levels of hypnosis) the more likely they are to ACCEPT the suggestion. Now people can accept or reject the suggestion based on their beliefs, morals, personality...ect. That's what I'm learning. You may be like "Ed that's all and good we knew that so WHY the post". I'm posting so people know I was and AM serious about learning about Hypnosis as my other posts I was niave, and people might've thought of me REALLY LEARNING about HYPNOSIS as being a "Joke". Also I'm just sharing what I'm personally learning.

I've learned that this Doctor known as the "Miracle Doctor", has helped someone who was paralyzed for three years due to a surfing accident and broke his neck and did spinal cord injury, I guess while under anathesia heard a doctor say he would never be able to walk, and at that time the SUBCONCIOUS mind was "Dominant" and accepted that statement as fact. This Doctor (Thr Author) through Hypnosis took him back to the operating room, and "Injected" that he COULD walk. The guy was then able to walk and never went to a wheelchair. I've heard that people have gone under for SURGERY not with drugs but Hypnosis as the anathesia. I've read blind people got their site back under hypnosis. I'm learning about positive and negative hallucination.

Right now I'm in the chapter just on the BRAIN, the parts such as the frontal lobe, the yeporal lobe...ect, and their functions. The Doctor believes ALL HYPNOTISTS should know the brain, and all it's functions. A LOT of medical stuff. As I said I'm up to ONLY page 50, out of a 300 page book, and ALL OF THAT I've learned so far. I LOVE learning this stuff. While this is primarily a medical book, I want to use hypnosis for STAGE, and STREET use along with a MAGIC, and MENTALISM. I still can't hurt reading this book. The OTHER book I got is a older one called "Patterns Of The Hypnotic Techniques Of Milton H. Erickson M.D." written by Bandler.

I've also watched 2 videos on http://www.youtube.com. I won't type the URL'S but type HYpnosis, and you'll see a lists of clips. Watch the 34 minute of the Erickson one just turn up the volume, and a 20 one by Calvin Banyan (Who has a great school on Hypnosis just look at his site) called "The Truth Of Hypnosis", and he ALSO has a great 3 minute clip on Rapid Inductions.

Anyway I'm learning and want to really finish this book, then learn more. I really want to "Specialize" in "Rapid", and "Non-Verbal Inductions" which this book teaches. Thanks, Ed, (Eddini)."
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Feb 23, 2007 01:25PM)
See here is where you go wrong. Rapid and non verbal inductions while possible are NOT very good theater.

Most of the audience leaves NOT believing. Is that what you want?

See many books really miss the point of a hypnosis SHOW. It IS THEATER after all.

This was not meant to be mean, just to help you gain perspective.
Message: Posted by: Eddini_81976 (Feb 23, 2007 10:47PM)
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On 2007-02-23 14:25, Dannydoyle wrote:
See here is where you go wrong. Rapid and non verbal inductions while possible are NOT very good theater.

Most of the audience leaves NOT believing. Is that what you want?

See many books really miss the point of a hypnosis SHOW. It IS THEATER after all.

This was not meant to be mean, just to help you gain perspective.
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Thanks Danny I see what you are saying. I have two dilemmas. I'm a "Street Performer", Sleight-Of-Hand (Cards mostly), Mentalism, and Metal Bending, and as such people KNOW I don't use stooges, and also I'm very against the use of stooges. My inductions will NEED to be fast in nature as people will not stand around for a 5-10 minute induction plain and simple. 90% of my work is "Street Performing". I'm trying to get a "Show" like parlour, and table hopping, parties...ect. Last August I finally got posted in the yellow pages. I HONESTLY thought I would be getting like one show a week. I got two calls but the people cancelled. I think it's because they think I charge too much, which is B.S. I charge per show / per hour $200.00. I'm the cheapest in the phone book. MOst in my area charge around $250.00, now for special functions and for corporations, then yes I will go up a little. Business is NOT my strong suite. I think though that I need to be in the phone book for a couple of years as people are faithful to the services they recieved from others. Also I DON'T want to "Steal" business from others. I just want "My Own" faithful customers.

Okay the last hired gig I had was for a luncheon for Liberty Mutual in 9/2005. My business is in the summers on the Sidewalks in my town. I have loyal fans, regulars...ect. This Summer I want to continue doing my Magic, and Mentalism, I just want to add Hypnosis. I will need a extra basket with wheels though so I can use 4 chairs for hynosis. I figure I'll do four people or just one at a time. Also I guess if there SITTING it will be easier to put them under. My crowds are usually 5-12 people at a time with occasionally as many as 50. I go for about 10 minutes but I've also gone 45 minutes straight. I leave it up to the crowd. The stunts I want to do is more for comedy. I KNOW I'll get HUGE crowds because people will be laughing. I want to do test like the hot coin test. I want to make myself invisible, and give them amnesia. I want to due stuff like when I say a certain word, you'll say or do such and such. That's the type of stuff I want to do. Also this book DOES "Get It". As I said this book IS A MEDICAL BOOK, for beginners, intermediate and advanced PRACTITIONERS. This is a THERAPY book, as it deals with age regression, drug addiction, just read the guys credentiald ^ above ^. That said YES I DO believe in Theater but again this is a "Sidewalk Setting". I need inductions that last at the VERY MOST 3 minutes. Then I want to get right into the COMEDY. NO, no, no one will think it's set-up so people WON'T walk away with that thought Danny. I know you weren't being mean. While this book is from a THERAPISTS standpoint it does no harm learning from it and I HAVE. I'm going to learn further. I want to get DVD'S, and look into COURSES on it. My goal ultimately is to be CERTIFIED in it at some point. Okay I'm at the Inductions chapter. I'm going to READ ALL OF THEM of course, but I'll list the inductions and can you reccomend what inductions out of this list that are best in your opinion? Thanks...

1) Finger Interlocking Induction
2) Eye Fixtation Induction
3) Palm Induction
4) Two-Finger Induction
5) Instant or Quick Induction (I'll really study this one obviously)
6) Stress Removal Induction
7) Group Induction (I'll really need to study this one too)
8) Printed Card Induction
9) Nonverbal Induction
10) Temple Touching Induction
11) Finger On Head Induction
12) Diguised Method Of Induction (Another one I'll REALLY study)
13) Hypnotic Induction Technique
14) Child Induction Technique

Also YES I do know not all inductions work for all people. Okay this author has a chapter on "Deepening Process", which ones do you all reccomend.

1) Progressive Relaxation
2) Counting Backwards
3) Alphabet
4) Using The Stairway
5) Using Falling Leaves
6) Opening and Closing of Eyes
7) Placing Hand On Forehead
8) Raising and Lowering of Arm (I saw on youtube a 34 minute clip of Erickson doing this one).
9) Deepening Technique with Passing Of Time

Okay the next chapter is "Tests of Depth of Hypnosis". Again I'll read them all but which one(s) would you all reccomend, and also remember my performing situation.

1) Eye Test (Catalepsy)
2) Rigid Arm Test
3) Open Hand Test
4) Closed Fist Test
5) Arm Raising Test
6) Hot Coin Test
7) Confusion Test
8) Anethesia
9) Positive Hallucinations
10) Negative Hallucinations
11) Inability to Speak

Okay obviously I need to learn the Inductions firsts and get through that chapter. Another problem I have, is being kind of a "Loner" I have VERY FEW close friends. So besides my Mom anf one other person maybe I have no one to "Practice" on so to speak. Thanks for your feedback, Ed, (Eddini).
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Feb 24, 2007 01:17PM)
My honest opinion is same as Suspect acts. You canīt learn hypnosis over the internet, and only from books.
To help further may be to actually hurt you or others. My real suggestion is to attend live training. Ronning or some sort. I recomend NONE, only throw out a name.
Message: Posted by: Eddini_81976 (Feb 24, 2007 04:46PM)
Thanks, I got a couple plan on getting more and as I said I plan on looking into courses in my area, Thanks, Ed, (Eddini).
Message: Posted by: mersilde (Mar 21, 2007 05:25AM)
I totally agree with the posters with getting professional training in dealing with abreactions and hypnosis in general before further experimentation.

However since you seem bound and determined, I would also STRONGLY recommend avoiding from anything remotely like a regression.

I've heard good things about Gerald Kein, as far as hypnosis trainers in the states go, and Igor Ledochowski has some really interesting material, but I can't make any recommendations as I've never personally taken taken one of his classes. Make sure if you do take a class, they cover abreaction management, or something similar. Surprisingly, even a lot of the "clinical" hypnosis programs ignore it.


Hopefully this wolln't get me flamed too badly, a half decent article covering them google could have found you anyways.

(*Sighs* I suppose I need the legally required; This is not an endorsement or statement of accuracy of the following linked information.)

http://www.omnihypnosis.com/abreactart.htm