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Topic: Chubacabra Exhibit
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jan 29, 2007 01:31AM)
Well rodeo week is almost here in our town. Wondering if they will allow this type of exhibit. I got this off Coast to Coast website:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page1855.html?theme=light

"Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends, we're so glad you could attend, come inside come inside."

ELP 74
Message: Posted by: Tony Iacoviello (Jan 29, 2007 01:39AM)
Candini:

Make sure mota gets the link to the picture, and Doug as well. :)

Tony
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jan 29, 2007 01:51AM)
I'll PM.
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Jan 29, 2007 10:48AM)
That's David Walker's show I believe. And if the poster on Coast To Coast is accurate in his description, David is doing 'something' that I recommend NOT be done...and that is Make Claims as to reality. Those of you who have the How-To know my routine. No CLAIMS only suggestions and RUMOR HAS IT type stuff...let THEM figure it out, don't tell them. No need to lie. Make a Claim and somebody will surely be out to prove you wrong. This appearance on Coast To Coast will bring the 'know it alls' out of the woodwork.

The poster says:
"On January 27th, I attended the Ft. Worth Stock Show And Rodeo. There was an Old Man standing next to this small white tent claiming to have a real chupacabra and admission was only $1, so I payed and went in and looked at something I have never seen before in my life!
I looked at this dead creature to see if I could find any stiching to see if it was put together but I could find nothing! I managed to snap one photo before my digital camera died "of course." But the Old Man explained to me that this creature was killed in Mexico and brought here. If anyone knows what this is please let me know. Thanks!"

The last line of the posters comment is what YOU should be asking of HIM!!!!!

Everyone with the How-To, read it again!

This thread is also in the wrong place on the Café and should be Beleive It Or Not...Moderator?
Message: Posted by: mota (Jan 29, 2007 04:52PM)
That's David...

We have had a discussion about photos...obviously I lost the discussion.
Message: Posted by: egregor (Jan 29, 2007 06:46PM)
I think it lacks the quality or believability of a Higley. The Rolls Royce of Chupacabras.
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Jan 29, 2007 08:08PM)
Well...it IS a Higley...just seems not well taken care of and displayed and pictured.

I'd like it back for a re-furb that's for sure.
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Jan 29, 2007 09:41PM)
I plan to place all Higley's in museum glass cases :)
Message: Posted by: egregor (Jan 29, 2007 10:45PM)
I don't think you should be able to buy Higley's anymore, I think Doug should just put them up for adoption. Then if a Higley is mistreated, Doug can revoke adoption privelages.
Message: Posted by: Kondini (Jan 30, 2007 03:07AM)
The wording defeats the object of the exhibition.

To not know for sure is >>>> The come on. To know >>> Puts it into a different sphere taking away the wonder of it all.

To make a bogus claim puts you into the ring to be knocked out,,,,,all it wants now is for the Masked Magician to expose >>>>> Imagine Dougs website open to public perusal etc etc >>>>> Such stupidity should be stopped by stuffing the person doing it (Then we could display them as a preserved fool).

Such actions killed these shows back in Victorian times here in the UK.
The way we present these same shows now hits the punters at a different level,,,it would be a shame to kill off this golden Goose.

Ken
Message: Posted by: Roslyn (Jan 30, 2007 06:35AM)
I was wondering why it was being displayed with a picture of an underwater scene in the background???

Also, the tank seems huge!! far too big for such a small creature.

Its a shame. I just hope not too many people find that site.

I have to agree with Ken on this one... lets not shoot that goose just yet.
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Jan 30, 2007 08:56AM)
Shoot that goose you shoot me.
Message: Posted by: Roslyn (Jan 30, 2007 10:26AM)
Doug, we shoot that goose and we're not only shooting you, but also every showman that relies on your work.

So please lets leave that goose alone.

I beg that everyone go on a goose free diet.

Turkeys are fair game, but please... SAVE THE GOOSE!!!!!!
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Jan 30, 2007 10:44AM)
Another thing...I really would like this thread to fade away. The ideas and suggestions and the SYSTEM I offer for showing such things (the Golden Goose)is not general knowledge or traditional show thinking I adapted. It is 100% my invention. What Kondini knows and did in the UK and others who are doing it my way, I taught from my original thinking and experimentation. I would rather it all not be discussed in an open forum. Not that I don't want to teach the system but I do not want every Tom Dick and Harry out there using the ideas half assed and not kowing the entire picture and competeing and ruining it for those who DO KNOW and work it right. Most ALL I have taught understand how it works and WHY it works and do it correctly. Those who don't just don't make the money and screw up the show scene. It's that simple. Those who read my stuff know the SPECIFICS and WHY it should be done that way. I have the plan refined down to a few EASY steps that work AS IS. Altering any part will alter the outcome.

The information in my How-To is NOT for the casual reader or one just curious...it is for the working showman and show woman and the info and the tips do not belong on open forum. This is powerful stuff as many have found out and it's those who work it properly that deserve the benefit.
Message: Posted by: Kondini (Jan 30, 2007 12:16PM)
Goosy,,,,,,,,,Goosy,,,,,,,,,,,"BANG !!"
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 30, 2007 12:45PM)
No one knows what David said to this fellow and if he is a Coast to Coast listener, one of the worse radio shows I've ever heard (Art Bell was particularly bad) he, the poster, likely slanted it to fit the 'we believe anything' atmosphere.
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Jan 30, 2007 01:55PM)
I agree. I forgot to mention that...thanks...I did say IF the report from the poster was accurate but that needs to be emphasized so thanks. BUT I know the showman and he is a character and a half and if anybody would stretch the tall tale into a longer taller skinnier tale it would be David. It's his show and he has every right to do what he wants with it...and he is funny as hell so is probably having a ball with it and sayinjg all kinds of things and yes, the poster is of the muggles tribe and would most likely misunderstand what was really said anyway...none of this is important really...in this case, it is what it is and a reason I think it made it to coast to coast is the 'challenge to question' which normally does not come up when presented correctly. That's why I brought it up and emphasize to read my notes for the WHY of this whole show. Not to yell at David but to caution aginst making UNECESSARY claims that WILL be challenged. The beauty of the show plan is you don't need to claim ANYTHING!
Message: Posted by: Kondini (Jan 30, 2007 03:13PM)
Its a twin to the Geller farce,,,ok he made his money but in so doing ruined it for others who could have made capital as well.The upside to his saga was to benefit those who in turn made their money out of exposeing him. But all has now come to a halt.Plus of course the embarrasment to him everytime a magician bumps into him at the Supermarket!

Claim only that which you can prove,,,,or keep your mouth shut.

Ken
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Jan 30, 2007 03:25PM)
Haha..Geller is still out there foolishly flapping his gums...
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Jan 30, 2007 07:38PM)
By the way...I have the feeling this 'photo' is going to spark something I'd rather not have occur and have tried to avoid (successfully I might add) all these years. Just a feeling...but a wrong door may have been cracked for the public to peek in. We'll see.
Message: Posted by: Freak Prodigy (Jan 31, 2007 09:11PM)
I doubt it Doug.

You'll be safe in your cave and the regulars of society will be none the wiser.



And like you say...no one cares...the only reason you get them is because of the curiosity.


Brett.
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Jan 31, 2007 09:23PM)
Well doubt this... The site has had TONS of hits today from a piece Loren Coleman did on cryptomundo.com as a result of that photo.

Sorry to say, my hunches are rarely wrong. It'll blow over sooner than later I hope.

At least he said I was a 'genius'. :)
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jan 31, 2007 10:05PM)
This is why you truely are 'the man' Doug!
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Jan 31, 2007 11:02PM)
Only a genius? How insulting! You're so much more!
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Feb 1, 2007 10:38AM)
I yam what I yam and that's all that I yam.

Looking up Loren Coleman's impressive credentials in Wikipedia...I guess I'm flattered he would think that. :)
Message: Posted by: CJRichard (Feb 1, 2007 09:16PM)
Of course it will blow over very soon. I first bumped into your site through a Snopes.com piece about a Mer photo that was circulating on the internet. Probably nobody remembers that.

This should in no way harm the business because nobody is supposed to know what sort of strange thing they might be seeing ahead of time. Does it matter whether they wonder "Is it real?" "Is it a gaff?" "Is it a joke?" or "Is it a Higley?"

Personally, I'd be willing to pay more than most folks charge if I knew I were going to see an authentic Higley Zibit.

I wonder if all those British charity supporters that viewed the Zibits this year suddenly found out they were all gaffs, how many might [i]pay again[/i] to take a second, even closer look?
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Feb 1, 2007 09:24PM)
Perfect points CJ.

It's like my argument that most exposure of magic means zippozero. The example being the Svengali Deck which has bben exposed to MILLIONS with no affect except more sales of the thing because NO ONE remembers! :)
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Feb 2, 2007 12:14PM)
Today it's a front page link on coast to coast am...good grief. Site is getting slammed.
Message: Posted by: Kondini (Feb 2, 2007 12:52PM)
To suggest that us squeeky clean honest Showmen could possible sink to such a low level as to exhibit a fake would be enforced by too many knowing that there are such unscrupealus people who are prepared to make them....I stand by my original posting on this. Plant the seed of doubt in advance and less people will believe! So less will pay.

Yes I believe there is a real Father Christmas, Magic is real not trickery and its impossible for me to get out of this gimmed Strait Jacket,,,,,if I was a nonbeliever the mortgage would not get paid!

Sell that lie!!

Ken
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Feb 2, 2007 01:20PM)
Regarding 'sinking to such a low level'...This is on my site Ken for the Replica Skulls ( hjttp://JungleSkull.com )



"Regarding showing of Scientifically Accurate Replicas and casts in your show or attraction: You may or may not know that many museums do not show the actual super star specimens...these are often stored below or many miles away. Correct Casts are used. (Foolertainment at work.) Art Museums have a practice of displaying a REPLICA (ie: blatant Fake) of a famous Painting unbeknownst to the viewing public. It's a long tradition...sometimes it's for security purposes and sometimes they just can't afford the real thing! And in many cases they don't tell the paying customer. I do not recommend you lie that it's real when asked. So technically it is not a 'gaff' thus I use the term Legit not as a superior term...just different in that these creatures really did walk the earth and eat folks. (Well, some did...)"


We sink not. Also people will pay to see a fraud just as much maybe even more. It will be forgotten anyway.

There are countless Millions (actually Billions) who are potential customers for the shows and only a few thousand will see a sneek peek on the inside from the links. Not an issue really.

And you are absolutely ciorrect...there IS a Santa!
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Feb 2, 2007 01:32PM)
!I appreciate your support Doug!
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Feb 2, 2007 02:03PM)
You have no idea and thank you. I have struggled to keep this out of the public eye in many ways for many years and of course lost a few tons of income because of it. But it was inevitable with the internet that someday it would be discovered by 'outsiders' on a large scale and not just some kid with a web page stealing a photo or two. I have kept it off eBay for purely reasons of loyalty to the showmen...even when a few sales would have pulled us through some really tough times...so I'm gritting my teeth and weathering this as best I can without making drastic knee jerk changes to the site...but that may occur as well if the onslaught doesn't slow.

I have ONLY promoted on the Café for that reason...a deep core belief in what we are doing and the way to do it is for 'us' only...those who 'get it'.

I always knew though HOW it would come and WHY it would come...and the only reason it's taken so long is that most all the showmen 'got it' and displayed properly without drawing 'heat' or scrutiny.

I'm trying to look at it like any magic dealer site where anybody can go in and see what's available to no detrement.

Most sites and dealers would kill for this kind of exposure and the hits I'm getting but then they don't mind selling to just anybody...I have nothing to sell to 'muggles'...though I did rehab the Legit page of skull replicas and Dino stuff which I may use as a diversion and camoflage.

One thing for sure...coasttocoastam is a powerhouse!
Message: Posted by: handa (Feb 2, 2007 09:19PM)
Sorry to let my bias show, but I'm surprised that Coast to Coast would take the time to debunk ANYTHING.

Chris
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Feb 2, 2007 09:35PM)
Not a debunk...just a support of Loren's 'Investigation'...hahaha.

You can count on Coast To Coast for one thing (well two) Gloom and Doom it's the End of The World.

By the way...there may be some mis-direction showing up on my site over the next couple of days. Not to be concerned.
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Feb 3, 2007 11:17AM)
OK...busted my tail making changes. Hopefully you won't notice but those coming from coast to coast and Loren's site will be given 'just enough' to wet an appetite.

Never mind how I did it. It was a lot of thinking and work though. So all you showmen can relax...secrets are safe....for now.
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Feb 4, 2007 09:13AM)
For all my showmen who are following this...I'm serious as a heart attack about WHY to follow the guidelines and not lie about the Zibits. Set up debate with the customer whether it's a hoax or not...let them wonder, create a mystery, but don't flat out claim a lie and ruin it for others who READ the How-To, follow the How-To and understand WHY it works.

If you do want to go old school, that's your business of course but, as much as I neede it, I don't want your business if you do. Simple as that. That's old time sideshow scam attitude that the customers are marks to rip off and make a fool of...that just isn't the way it's done these days and succeed with my stuff.

Cripes, even an old hard core midway showman like Kondini gets it and made a major score by using his head for more than poundng nails into! :)

I created the How-To to start a rebirth of the grind shows...and it has done that big time. My values and principls haven't changed and the chemistry and dynamics haven't changed as to why the rebirth occured and continues to grow in leaps...But it only takes one or two to cause the venues to begin to question whether or not they want a little show to work their lot.
Message: Posted by: abigkahuna (Feb 6, 2007 07:20PM)
[quote]
On 2007-01-30 13:45, MagicSanta wrote:
No one knows what David said to this fellow and if he is a Coast to Coast listener, one of the worse radio shows I've ever heard (Art Bell was particularly bad) he, the poster, likely slanted it to fit the 'we believe anything' atmosphere.
[/quote]



Doug and I have had many convewrsations regarding the HOW TO.. but let me just comment on this one aspect that is particular to the states. I will get folks asking me if I know of Art Bell and Coast To Coast... In my Professorial tones, I reply that "Why no, what is that? (Knowing full well about Coast To Coast), they then begin to breifly tell me about the program and where I can turn in locally, I thank them and that is that...

is it real?


If I may ask Kondini, how did you handle that question when posed by the royals, et al?



ciao
abigkahua
Message: Posted by: Doug Higley (Feb 6, 2007 11:16PM)
I would say..."Wouldn't we all like to know the answer to that one! I know this, it;s REALLY strange...don't you agree?"
Then Change the subject. As long as they ASK the question there is belief with a touch of doubt. LEAVE IT THERE.

If thjey say "That's not real." Notice there is actually a question mark there in the asking even thoug unsounded. It translates to "It's not real...is it?"

Leave them their belief and their doubts. They leave you with a dollar. Fair trade.
Message: Posted by: Kondini (Feb 7, 2007 12:40PM)
Just leave them with "You have seen, you are the judges" I just present what ever they are and take your money!

This always gets a laugh and puts the ball into their court.

Also,,,,"That`s not real" Reply "Isn`t it"

Ken