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Topic: Vanishing Dove Cage (Is this one any good?)
Message: Posted by: p:m (Feb 7, 2007 11:21AM)
Alright, so Jak wants this in his act :)

Now, I like to shop around before I instantly hit ADD TO CART! The nielson one looks by far the best. THing is... Im not sure I want to spend 3500 US on it. I came across this one at the trickery. Now to the audience, I believe whatever the prop is that you perform this effect with, it will have the same effect on the audience... The Doves and Cage.. Are GONE!!"

So, with that in mind,
http://www.thetrickery.com/full/Magic-Tricks-Magic-Estate-Sale-Magic-Shops-Mikame-Vanishing-Dove-Cage__8130.htm

Is this any good? Id like to hear some input from the pros.
Message: Posted by: 1906Alpha1906 (Feb 7, 2007 11:42AM)
Mikame makes good stuff. Having not ever used this particular one in the past, I have used a wooden one (an Owen's). While being wood is not the most silent operation in the world as more the neilsen is, the quality is nice if you are looking for a wooden prop. You will hove to treat it like a nice piece of furniture because that it was it is.

Howard, the owner of Trickery, will gladly video demo the effect for you if you just email him. He responds quickly and effeciently with answers to ALL of your questions.

Hope this helps you some.
Message: Posted by: Vinnie Laraway (Feb 7, 2007 12:14PM)
Hey Jak..

Just my 2 cents, but I think you should really make the investment in the Nielsen Vanishing Dove Cage.. I'm not saying the Mikame Cage isn't good or anything, but the Nielsen will last ALOT longer, and IMHO, the Nielsen looks more professional to the audience, and the Mikame looks like the table is something you would find in a living room...

Good luck in your choice!
-Vinnie
Message: Posted by: p:m (Feb 7, 2007 12:37PM)
Vinnie, were talking a 2500$ + difference here. If looks, is what matters, it doesn't really matter to me. I think the table looks fine.
Message: Posted by: David Boyd (Feb 7, 2007 12:41PM)
You get what you pay for.. lol


But If you like it give it a try it. Ive never had a mikame so I wouldnt know..

Peace
David
Message: Posted by: p:m (Feb 7, 2007 01:25PM)
Yeah that's true. Im wondering if anyone has bought this.
Message: Posted by: 1906Alpha1906 (Feb 7, 2007 02:08PM)
The Mikame is designed to LOOK like a furniture piece and NOT a prop. When spectators see Prop then they know that it is going to do something, but looking at a wooden furniture type cage, its unexpected. Anyhow, when I was using my Owens, it was great. Just looked like your ordinary wooden cage, and then "Poweeee", Gone, and all that was left of course is the table base itself. As with the Neilsen, Vinnie is right by saying it will last longer (in a sense). A Prop will only last as long as the owner of it will allow it to last. What I mean is, if you mistreat your props, they won't last. $2500.00 is a big difference in price, yes, but if it is the effect that you are looking for, then you can achieve it. I suggest, though, waiting until someone here as actually purchased this model to give you first hand on it.

Oh yeah, Weight is also an issue here. Wood, of course, is going to weigh more than the Neilsen.
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Feb 7, 2007 02:31PM)
I guess I would ask several questions regardless of which model I was looking at.

First, will it fit in the act. If you only have 1 or 2 doves, in my opinion a vanishing cage, regardless of which one is overkill and not worth the investment.

Second, does the wood table blend in with the rest of the equipment on stage or will it look out of place

Third, does the cage fit in the venue being worked. Example, if you are doing birthday parties in a home, would you really want a vanishing bird cage regardless of the material or manufacturer.

Fourth, it's a lot of money to spend on a prop unless there is a steady performance schedule to provide a reasonable return on investment.

My advice would be to put this on a wish list and look at the many other possibilities out there right now.
Message: Posted by: p:m (Feb 7, 2007 03:20PM)
True. ROI is always important to factor in.

Is there anything else out there kind of like this but smaller? Same idea-ish
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Feb 8, 2007 06:40AM)
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On 2007-02-07 12:21, Jak wrote:
Alright, so Jak wants this in his act :)

Now, I like to shop around before I instantly hit ADD TO CART! The nielson one looks by far the best. THing is... Im not sure I want to spend 3500 US on it. I came across this one at the trickery. Now to the audience, I believe whatever the prop is that you perform this effect with, it will have the same effect on the audience... The Doves and Cage.. Are GONE!!"

So, with that in mind,
http://www.thetrickery.com/full/Magic-Tricks-Magic-Estate-Sale-Magic-Shops-Mikame-Vanishing-Dove-Cage__8130.htm

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Here it is for less: http://www.funtymemagic.com/shop/item.aspx?itemid=5219

If I am right, you can purchase Nielsen's for less too (cautious, it does not read "Nielsen"): http://www.emagictricks.co.uk/Vanishing_Dove_Cage_Deluxe_China.html

Here is the present currency exchange: http://finance.yahoo.com/currency/convert?amt=1035&from=GBP&to=USD&submit=Convert

Here is a used one: http://www.vikingmagiccompany.com/?nd=full&key=1347
Message: Posted by: dove-boy (Feb 8, 2007 07:43AM)
Actually the Nielsen's Vanishing Dove cage with ATA case is ONLY US$3000.00.....I got my Nielsen's Cane To Table from Hank Lee at 25% off during the Hank Lee's sale.

Now Hank lee is offering his 25% sale till tonight...perhaps you can get discount for the vanishing dove cage too...hence the difference will be less than 2000

Hope this helps :)
Message: Posted by: Bobby Motta (Feb 8, 2007 11:29PM)
Hey Fellas, just got my NN Vanishing dove cage. Loving it. I must admit it cost me a lot but man, what a piece of work. It's beautiful! Question. I open my show with my dove act and most of the time I am solo at the gig. My show runs aprx 45min to an hour. Any ideas how to get my feathered friends out of the cage during the act? I don't think its safe to leave them in thr for more than 10 to 15 mins, or can you?
Message: Posted by: Christopher Starr (Toronto) (Feb 11, 2007 01:13PM)
Why not leave the doves on display in the cage during the rest of your show and go back to it as the finale and make it vanish. It brings the opening segment back to mind and completes everything nicely!
Message: Posted by: Bobby Motta (Feb 11, 2007 06:20PM)
Thanks Chris. I thought of doing that but my opening act has a pretty clean flow with the music and I really wanted to close the routine with the cage vanish. I close my show with snow storm which has worked well for me so I am trying to find a way to make this work.
Message: Posted by: Brian M. (Feb 11, 2007 07:49PM)
Hi Peter,

I'm not sure why you would want to spend all that money on a Nielsen Cage. I had one and just pawned it off on some guy!!! :) JUST JOKING!!! Glad to hear you're enjoying it Bobby. I heard you got a good deal (A cage and a bonus pair of gloves).
As I mentioned to Peter, it's like owning a piece of fine furniture.

I look forward to seeing it in your act at some point.

Brian
(the guy who reluctantly sold Bobby a brand new Nielsen cage)
Message: Posted by: funkyguy (Feb 11, 2007 11:26PM)
I looked into this cage and Stevens magic an a place on Ebay stopped carrying this cage because i"it would require REALLY loud music" wink wink. you know what I mean?
I ordered a cheap one from MAK. Got it and it sucked. I put about 10 - 15 hours into it and it is great! It only cost me around $500. CHEAP but it has made many jaws drop.
Message: Posted by: Bobby Motta (Feb 12, 2007 12:59PM)
Hey Brian. The bonus gloves is what sold me!!! lol. Thanks again for a great deal. I will let you know the scheduel on the upcoming shows so you can come out and take some notes! hehe!
Message: Posted by: p:m (Feb 12, 2007 01:30PM)
Anyone know how long the doves can stay inside?
Message: Posted by: funkyguy (Feb 19, 2007 10:49PM)
Again, you want to stay away from this. Just call stevens magic and joe stevens will tell you himself
Message: Posted by: prolineprops (Feb 21, 2007 05:38AM)
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On 2007-02-12 14:30, Jak wrote:
Anyone know how long the doves can stay inside?
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Jak,

PM me and I'll answer all your questions. I've owned, worked on, or seen just about every cage out there - Abbotts, Nielsen,Elmo Magic, Puchenger and others.

Cliff