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Topic: Phantom of the Opera help
Message: Posted by: BBunnell (Mar 12, 2007 10:45PM)
I have been asked to help with the illusions in a spoof of the Phantom of the Opera at a local theater here in Salt Lake. In order to do that, I was trying to remember what illusions were used in the play. I saw the play In salt Lake years ago and I remember the Dekolta chair and the one where Christine walks into the mirror to join the phantom. What is that illusion called and were there other illusions used other than the 2 I mentioned?

Thanks for your help,
Message: Posted by: Sir Pat-Trick (Mar 13, 2007 01:03AM)
Only other Illusions used were black art where the phantom appeared and disappeared On top of the Golden part of the opera set. Then there were some flash pots that went off for the auction scene. And a flash pot for when the phantom leaves the Mask Ball. That is all I remember I've seen the show twice. Hope that helps.
Message: Posted by: BBunnell (Mar 13, 2007 02:27AM)
That's right! When he was dressed as a skelleton he vanished like the wicked witch in munchkin land. Anyone know the name of the illusion with the mirror?
Message: Posted by: AmazingEARL (Mar 13, 2007 06:50AM)
In the Toronto and touring productions I saw, the mirror wasn't exactly an illusion. A half-silvered mirror was used like a scrim, slowly lit from the back to reveal the Phantom, then slid sideways in it's frame like a patio door. Cool, but not exactly magic.

At the end of the show, a reverse version of Tom Palmer's "Satan's Seat" was used in both shows. I'd have been more impressed if they'd used the DeKolta Chair.

Dan Wolfe, aka. "The Amazing EARL"
Message: Posted by: Banester (Mar 13, 2007 09:14AM)
Earl is that pretty much a form of the Peppers Ghost?
Message: Posted by: George Ledo (Mar 13, 2007 09:30AM)
We saw the show on Broadway, and I don't remember any "illusions" as such. At the end, he sat in a coffin/chair affair (designed to fit onto the setting) and vanished. I agree that a DeKolta chair would have been more impressive, but this was a musical, not a magic show, and you always run the risk of blowing the audience away so much that they get distracted from what they're watching.

One of the problems with illusions as we know them is that most of the time it takes a second party to do something to the first party. As Van Cleve put it many years ago, a levitatee needs a levitator (and yes, I know about Lance Burton's version). Introducing this second party, unless it fits into the story, can appear contrived.
Message: Posted by: Paul Arthur (Mar 13, 2007 09:30AM)
It's a scrim effect using a mirror: Front lit to see the reflection of the dressing room; back lit to see the figure standing behind the mirror. Rosebrand makes a flexible mirror product that will create this effect for you. Can't remember the name of it offhand, but I'm sure it's on their website.

I helped design a spoof of PoTO once that used an RC controlled cruise ship rolling around on the stage in place of the gondola. It had little scaled figures of the Phantom and Christine on it. It was pretty amusing... to me at least.

Posted: Mar 13, 2007 10:35am

On 2007-03-13 10:30, George Ledo wrote:
I agree that a DeKolta chair would have been more impressive,

Problem with doing a DeKolta chair on the road would be either raising the chair to have a place to go or having another t**p built into the deck, which is not the easiest when touring a show. The reverse Satan's Seat was out of necessity, as it's more self contained and didn't need either. I agree, the DeKolta would have looked cooler, but it would have been more hassle for other reasons.
Message: Posted by: silverking (Mar 13, 2007 09:54AM)
On 2007-03-13 10:14, Banester wrote:
Earl is that pretty much a form of the Peppers Ghost?
Not a Peppers Ghost.
Message: Posted by: BBunnell (Mar 14, 2007 01:40AM)
I got the script today. It is "The Phantom of the Grand Ole Opry". It looks like it will be fun. I also went to the theater and to the shop. They had a mirror they used in a previous show that will work if it is not too beat up. It might need new reflective film put on it.
They have a seen in "Box 5" where the phantom causes trouble with the theater managers cowboy hat. I figure black art. I threw in some self lighting torches for down in the phantoms domain and perhaps a suspension in the graveyard scene. Ith the theater managers office I have the phantom magically appear on the office desk, it was kind of written that way. I know it may not make sense to you readers, but if you had the manuscript, it would.
Thanks for your suggestions.
Message: Posted by: Moth (Mar 14, 2007 10:38AM)
Just a note - the Rose brand mirror Paul refers to is called "glassless mirror" - and if we're talking about the same thing, it's quite effective. Really looks like glass until you treat it like scrim. Holds up well. They'll custom size and frame. Mine hasn't warped for 2 years now, but if it gets punctured it's shot.

If yours is similar and it's warped, you might want to check Rose Brand out. MUCH nicer than standard Mylar.