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Topic: Adding to my rope tricks
Message: Posted by: Bluzzmagic (Mar 23, 2007 09:41AM)
At present my rope repertoire consists only of the basic professor's nightmare which I learned from a Penguin instant download.

The reactions I get from this effect are great so far, so I am really interested in adding a bit more rope magic to my close-up work.

I did buy the Fulves Self-Working Rope Tricks book a while back and haven't spent any time with it, so maybe I can find something to my liking in there, but was wondering if any of you rope pros could suggest anything I might want to try?

I am thinking I want to avoid the cut and restored effects for now, but rather stick with working scissors-free.

I know this question is a bit vague and lacking in specifics, but any suggestions as always will be greatly appreciated.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Mar 23, 2007 09:54AM)
Hi
Welcome to the magic Café. Go to page 77 of the Fulves book and look at the Vishnu rope mystery it is a great routine to do to music.
You can not go wrong with fiber optics, and there is so much good stuff there that you don't have to use the fake cut.
The professors nightmare that you learned forn Penguin stinks, try to learn a more entertaining version.
The Daryl 3 DVD set of rope magic is full of great ideas, and they are up on ebay all the time.
HAVE FUN
Al Angello
Message: Posted by: Bluzzmagic (Mar 23, 2007 10:04AM)
Thanks for the suggestions.

I have heard good things about Fiber Optics and think I might go that direction.

Does it include an improved version of professor's nightmare? If not....where might I find that?
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Mar 23, 2007 10:13AM)
Yes Richard Sanders does his version of PN as part of the fiber optics routine, and that Penguin PN routine is a poor excuse for a magic trick.
Al Angello
Message: Posted by: Andre Hagen (Mar 23, 2007 10:15AM)
Lots of possibilities. For starters try a ring-and-rope routine such as Aldo columbini's "Still Ringing."

http://www.wildcolombini.com/cart/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=113

Or for a scissor-less cut-and-restored rope try "Everlasting Rope." by Pat Page:

http://www.mjmmagic.com/store/everlasting-rope-by-patrick-page-p-3711.html

You might do the excellent "Knot Routine Plus" by Dennis Loomis:

http://www.loomismagic.com/loomisknotcover.html
Message: Posted by: Bluzzmagic (Mar 23, 2007 10:25AM)
Sold....or rather bought....I just ordered the Fiber Optics DVD.

Thanks again. :)
Message: Posted by: Yellowcustard (Mar 23, 2007 11:11AM)
I started out thinking rope magic was ok and a good fill in and something for the kids.
But now I have a whole stock of tricks picked up from pretty much all the sources mentioned and I take a piece from here and there. And people love it. Use a small ring about 5inc diameter adds stuff to it good for audience members getting involved. I can understand the wait for cut re stored but again the audience can get involved and it just blow them away they saw you cut it and now its together what the ****. The other good thing is it packs very small plays big you can buy it any were.

Keep going its fun.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Mar 23, 2007 01:26PM)
Yellowcustard
Welcome to the magic Café.

I feel obligated to add the one trick that just knocks them dead, especially magicians, it is the Dennis Loomis knot routine plus. I can only describe it as a thing of beauty.

Magicgrandpa
I'm working on that snap knot with both hands, but you and Dennis are the only ones I know that have mastered that AMAZING trick
Al Angello

PS - If you are interested in buying Dennis's DVD buy it from Dennis, because he will support you until you get it, and it took me a long time to get it.
Message: Posted by: Andre Hagen (Mar 23, 2007 02:23PM)
Hang in there Al, you'll get it. Once they see you do a snap knot with both hands at once they literally jump out of their seats.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Mar 23, 2007 02:32PM)
Magicgrandpa
Your my idole.
Al
Message: Posted by: The Conjuror (Mar 24, 2007 10:57AM)
Bluzz,
I highly recommend a product from El Duco's Magic called "Willi Wessel's Close-up Ring and Rope Routine." It comes with the props and an instructional DVD. It took me a few days to memorize all 7 moves, and then about a month to get all of the moves down pat, but it was definitely worth the practice. I get great reactions from this ring and rope routine. Once you are smooth with all the penetrations, you will even enjoy performing it for yourself in front of the mirror. Trust me.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Mar 24, 2007 01:00PM)
I have Flip, Willi Wessel, Aldo Colombini, Karl Fulves, Stewart James, and Daryl. If you are going to do ring, and rope magic only buy one, because there are only so many things you can do with a ring and a rope, and all of these gentlemen do those things well.
Al Angello
Message: Posted by: Andre Hagen (Mar 24, 2007 02:35PM)
Al is correct, but eventually you may want to check them all out and piece together your own routine.
Message: Posted by: John Long (Mar 27, 2007 06:05PM)
The above routines are good, but you have a lot of magic already in Fulves.

If you will do stage/parlor, look at the Gysel Spirit Tie, p140 in Fulves.

With some good "bits of business" and routining, it is a professional routine.
You can do a search on MC for "Gysel", and you will get plenty of ideas for this routine.

If you want to do close up: learn how to tie a pop-off Knot, p47 in Fulves, It can be a great way to spice up the finish of a cut and restore routine.

You can also learn a variety of ring on rope routines in Fulves p122.

John
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Mar 27, 2007 09:09PM)
Magicgrandpa
Have you met John Long? John, and the Spellbinder are the guys who I go to when I have a rope magic question.

John Long
Magicgrandpa, and Dennis Loomis are the only guys on earth that can do the Will Rogers snap knot, with both hands at the same time.
Al Angello
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Mar 27, 2007 09:13PM)
Watching the clip of Pat Page's Everlasting Rope gave me an idea for a funny bit. You put the scissors into your outer jacket pocket, the drop down out of view... you say, "OWWWWWWWWWW...." and lift your pants leg and the scissors are seen stuck into your foot!
Message: Posted by: John Long (Apr 3, 2007 05:52PM)
[quote]
On 2007-03-27 22:09, Al Angello wrote:
Magicgrandpa
Have you met John Long? John, and the Spellbinder are the guys who I go to when I have a rope magic question.

John Long
Magicgrandpa, and Dennis Loomis are the only guys on earth that can do the Will Rogers snap knot, with both hands at the same time.
Al Angello
[/quote]

a double snap!?

Sadly, I've not met any of the people on this forum. Maybe this year.
Message: Posted by: Yellowcustard (Apr 4, 2007 04:34AM)
Hi Al thanks for the ifomation and cheers evry body more stuff to add to the growing pile of things to learn.

So I will stop typing and start tying.


LOVE ALL
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Apr 4, 2007 10:19AM)
John Long
The secret to doing the double snap knot is to practice with both hands at a time. Do not try to master it with the left hand, or it will take forever. I have not had a lot of success with this trick even though I'm a juggler, but that is what Dennis told me. Also I can't emphasize strongly enough to use a twisted rope for the best results. You can do it with any rope, but I do it over 90% of the time with Dennis's 1/2" drapery cord.
Al Angello
Message: Posted by: Andre Hagen (Apr 4, 2007 11:22AM)
Way to go Al! Sometimes I get lucky and the knots are close to the bottom of the rope. Then I can snap other knots above those knots. I've ended up with three knots on each rope. However, I wouldn't try more than two in performance...too risky.

Flip says you should never do the snap knot in performance because it isn't 100% certain, but spectators sense the difficulty and if you miss and finally get it they always applaud.

After I snap a knot with the right hand I do it with the left. Then I tell them "I know what you're thinking...he can do it with both hands but can he do both hands at once!"

I tell them I'm not sure but I will try and when I do it they literally jump out of their seats and I'm left in applause position holding up the two ropes.

Great stuff and I owe it all to Dennis Loomis. Thanks Dennis for your wonderful Knot Routine!
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Apr 4, 2007 11:31AM)
Grandpa
I must disagree with Flip. When I do it at cub scout banquets I always get 6 knots right on top of each other, and having trouble getting there is when they all get on my side, and cheer for me. I love it when I have a room full of screeming kids rooting for me. Being almost perfect makes it so much more entertaining.
Al Angello
Message: Posted by: Dennis Loomis (Apr 4, 2007 05:49PM)
I also disagree with Flip. There are many things that are not 100% certain, but which can be done 95% or more. When it comes to skill displays, that's good enough, if you built it up properly. I flatter myself that I've found how to do that over the years, and my patter is on the Knot Routine DVD. A juggler I worked with on a tour for the old Big John Strong Show told me that if you watched a juggler's act and the juggler never missed a single trick and never had anything hit the floor that you could be sure that he was not showing you his "best" or "hardest" stuff. In fact, circus performers will often miss a stunt intentionally just to build it up and then when they hit it on the second or third attempt, the audience goes crazy.

Thanks for the kind words, guys. Best to all.

Dennis Loomis
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Apr 4, 2007 06:22PM)
I once saw the great Francis Brunn perform two shows in the same night. In the first show he was perfect, and the audience gave him an appropriate round of applause, but in the second show he missed the finish three times before he got it. Mr. Brunn was visibly angry at himself, his face turned red, he stomped his foot, and mumbeling under his breath. When he finally hit the finish he smiled, and took a bow to a standing ovation, so perfection is not all it's cracked up to be. When I do the six knots one on top of each other it usually takes me 10 or more tries to get 6 knots, and like mister Brunn I'm visibly angry, and frustrated, but with me it is all an act, because I know I'm not Francis Brunn.
Al Angello
Message: Posted by: Andre Hagen (Apr 4, 2007 06:44PM)
Six knots! You're my hero Al!
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Apr 4, 2007 07:29PM)
Grandpa
I used stop at 5, but I love to milk it, and when I'm done the rope is about 18" long.

Dennis
Your trick is now my trademark, and I practiceing the double every day.
Al Angello
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Apr 5, 2007 07:50AM)
Andre
The secret to getting 6 knots one on top of the other is to stop after each knot to make them as close to each other as possible, which is a perfect opportunity to tell a bad joke, a silly comment, or facial expression. This is the only way to get more than 5.
GOOD LUCK
Al Angello
Message: Posted by: Andre Hagen (Apr 5, 2007 09:36AM)
Thanks Al! All my jokes are bad and my facial expression is already silly so I'm halfway there. I'll keep you posted!
Message: Posted by: Dennis Loomis (Apr 5, 2007 04:54PM)
You can get more knots by starting with a longer rope. Just choke up on the excess for the first couple of snaps and then let the rope out little by little as you proceed. Also, if you are going for a quantity of knots, you don't want a thick rope. You want a flexible but slender rope because each knot takes up less of the rope.

Dennis Loomis

P.S. This business of doing multiple knots and sliding each one down to the bottom of the rope was the trademark of the late Bob Lewis. I talk a little about his routine on my DVD.