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Topic: Just got my first round of effects/gimmicks
Message: Posted by: tnscot (May 25, 2007 02:27PM)
OK....I just made a bit of an investment in a few basic effects/gimmicks. Not a whole lot. Just enough to get me going on some basic day to day stuff. I got a standard TT, a 9" silk for it, a book of routines for it, a universal pull, a set of super soft 2" sponge balls, a Johnson S/S, and a dime/penny version of the same thing. I was gonna get a 'c' type nail writer, but I ran out of $$ in my Paypal. I'll get that next time I have a few extra bucks. Now I have to wait. I have a feeling that's gonna be the hard part. Good thing I have a deck of cards.
Message: Posted by: Amade3us (May 25, 2007 03:03PM)
Scot,

Good purchases there, sir. You can perform hours on top of hours of magic with those supplies. I love to see guys making these kind of great purchases right off the bat, instead of being tempted to the ways of some of the overpriced single effects that are out there.

Best of luck!
-Dustin
Message: Posted by: Father Photius (May 25, 2007 07:37PM)
Sounds like a good beginning, lots you can do with those items.
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (May 25, 2007 08:18PM)
Scot,

With toys like that you can work for hours!

You can make a living with a TT and sponge balls.

Enjoy!

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: pghdude80 (May 25, 2007 08:40PM)
Scot,

Glad to hear you went with the Johnson S/S. It is, IMO, the best one on the market.

Hope you enjoy your tricks.

J
Message: Posted by: mrunge (May 25, 2007 10:34PM)
Yep...great stuff.

Keep Johnson's in mind for when you get other coin effects. They're the best!

Mark.
Message: Posted by: ChristopherM (May 26, 2007 05:15PM)
Scot,

Very wise first purchases. Congrats. If only everyone could resist the other temptations on offer at the shops...
Message: Posted by: tnscot (May 27, 2007 09:54AM)
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On 2007-05-25 21:40, pghdude80 wrote:
Scot,

Glad to hear you went with the Johnson S/S. It is, IMO, the best one on the market.

J
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Hearing that makes me feel better about the price tag. It was significantly more expensive than the other ones I saw, but I have heard that it is the best, and the very fact that it is the only one that is specified by its brand name online tells me that as well. And it comes with a bang ring included, so that helps a bit too. For now, I'm gonna have to use a glass and elbow grease for the dime/penny set. When it all comes in.
Message: Posted by: Jay Austin (May 27, 2007 10:19AM)
I like the quality of johnson products. I use silver coins and they make their products using walkig liberty halves. I also love my Larson coins. They are more expensive but the quality is great.

What you have purchased will give you hours of stuff to work on.
Message: Posted by: mrsmiles (May 27, 2007 05:16PM)
With your TT, and I note you've got a book of routines, don't limit yourself to vanishing the hanky - do go for salt or sugar vanishes, bill switches etc. The rare occassions that you may get challenged is by people who remember the TT from a kids magic set & its a silk that you vanish. Yet if you vanish salt - it flies past them.
You've made some great choices/purchases BTW. Well done. As for your playing cards - my advice is to not go crazy on sleights. Stick to a card control you can do, a f**ce you're happy with, a DL and a glide and your away with dozens of good card tricks alone.
Message: Posted by: Strangelittleman (May 27, 2007 07:18PM)
I second everything Smiles says about the cards (infact that's pretty much all the sleights I use on a night lol). The TT is going to get you some great mileage and the sponge balls definetly go over well with crowds so great first up purchases :)
Message: Posted by: tnscot (May 29, 2007 04:39PM)
I cant even believe it came in so quickly, (I only ordered it Friday afternoon. It's Tuesday today and the Mail didn't run yesterday) but the Johnson S/S came in today. I'm in shock at how "clean" it is. Hard to believe that something can be that convincing. I'm gonna have fun with this. Now I just have to figure out how to transport it unlocked.
Message: Posted by: Amade3us (May 29, 2007 05:03PM)
Great! Johnson makes great stuff. I don't know how to advise you on transporting unlocked, as I use a m******c one and unlock it with a certain type of ring.

Best of luck!

-Dustin
Message: Posted by: ChristopherM (May 30, 2007 06:52AM)
Johnson products are fantastic, I agree. Sasco are also very good manufacturers.
Message: Posted by: Tom Fenton (May 30, 2007 12:24PM)
You have made some great purchases. If you follow the advice given at the Café you will learn some stuff that is so hard to find out anywhere else.
I wish that I had a resource such as this when I was starting out, not only would I have had access to all this but it would have saved me a great deal of money. I would not have bought things that are "not me" and I would never have bought things twice because I got the C&N one first.

Tom
Message: Posted by: airship (May 30, 2007 01:02PM)
You can buy a bang ring for your dime & penny for just a few bucks. I bought one last year and never looked back. Much, much easier. You can reset secretly in your pocket with it.

I can't remember where I got mine, which seems to be steel. A brass one is $6 at Hank Lee's:
http://www.hanklee.org/xcart/product.php?productid=2287

Here's one that looks like mine for $3 plus about $3 shipping on eBay:
http://tinyurl.com/225web
Message: Posted by: tnscot (May 30, 2007 01:38PM)
How do you reset in your pocket? I sure couldn't do that with my s/s.
Message: Posted by: JohnWolf (May 31, 2007 09:02AM)
You might take a look at Staples for a "zip" pen while your waiting to purchase a "c" nail writer. With a little flesh tone paint and steal to your pocket for the pad you can pratice a reading act. There was a pro version for a while don't recall the name.
John
Message: Posted by: tnscot (May 31, 2007 10:34AM)
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On 2007-05-31 10:02, JohnWolf wrote:
You might take a look at Staples for a "zip" pen while your waiting to purchase a "c" nail writer. With a little flesh tone paint and steal to your pocket for the pad you can pratice a reading act. There was a pro version for a while don't recall the name.
John
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Thanks for that advice. I believe I'll take it.
Message: Posted by: Jay Buchanan (Jun 3, 2007 07:49PM)
17 years after purchasing a Johnson S/S and using it for literally thousands of routines including 4 straight years of working it 5 nights per week in a restaurant, it's like brand new! I dip it in a jewelry cleaning solution every couple of years and it looks and feels like the day I got it. I've tightened it for certain effects, loosened it for others, lost it, found it again and outright abused it for ages. Just a super quality piece.
Message: Posted by: antonio2030 (Jun 4, 2007 01:35AM)
Well done, I would had purchased the nailwritter instead of the universal pull first, personally I think you have a wider range of effects with the NW, but great purchase anyway. congrats!
Message: Posted by: LCBellah (Jun 8, 2007 12:00PM)
I'm glad to hear the recommendations on Johnson products. I'm working on some coin effects and I'm going to put the Johnson S&S on my wish list. This web site is the greatest! Lynn
Message: Posted by: sethb (Jun 8, 2007 12:19PM)
Scot -- good luck with your new magic effects, you made some good choices.

Unless you have already purchased some, think about getting a few books on your second round of purchases. They are a great value and will last you in good stead; with one book, you can learn dozens of sleights, tricks and routines.

If you find that like coin magic, the Dover paperback reprint of Bobo's "Modern Coin Magic" is only $10, and ditto on the Dover reprint of Jean Hugard's "Royal Road to Card Magic" at $12 for card lovers. Both are available at Amazon, click [url=http://www.amazon.com/Royal-Road-Card-Magic/dp/0486408434/ref=ed_oe_p/102-3638774-5999315?ie=UTF8&qid=1181322699&sr=1-1]HERE[/url] for more info. The Dover reprint of "Hugard's Magic Manual" is also a great deal at $12 and covers coins, cards, balls, silks, rings, ropes and lots more; click [url=http://www.amazon.com/Hugards-Magic-Manual-Cards-Coins/dp/0486418774/ref=sr_1_1/102-3638774-5999315?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1181322953&sr=1-1]HERE[/url] for more info.

Welcome to the world of magic and the Café'! SETH
Message: Posted by: tnscot (Jun 8, 2007 12:37PM)
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On 2007-06-08 13:19, sethb wrote:
Scot -- good luck with your new magic effects, you made some good choices.

Unless you have already purchased some, think about getting a few books on your second round of purchases. They are a great value and will last you in good stead; with one book, you can learn dozens of sleights, tricks and routines.

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I have "Royal Road" and Mark Wilson's CCIM. The only things I still want to purchase in the not too distant future are a c type nail writer, a "power pickpocket" and a dove pan. For now I have more than enough to keep me busy as a hobbyist for a long time, but with those purchases, I would be able to do a show once I feel that I'm ready.
Message: Posted by: Adam Milestone (Jun 8, 2007 01:56PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-08 13:19, sethb wrote:
Scot -- good luck with your new magic effects, you made some good choices.

Unless you have already purchased some, think about getting a few books on your second round of purchases. They are a great value and will last you in good stead; with one book, you can learn dozens of sleights, tricks and routines.

If you find that like coin magic, the Dover paperback reprint of Bobo's "Modern Coin Magic" is only $10, and ditto on the Dover reprint of Jean Hugard's "Royal Road to Card Magic" at $12 for card lovers. Both are available at Amazon, click [url=http://www.amazon.com/Royal-Road-Card-Magic/dp/0486408434/ref=ed_oe_p/102-3638774-5999315?ie=UTF8&qid=1181322699&sr=1-1]HERE[/url] for more info. The Dover reprint of "Hugard's Magic Manual" is also a great deal at $12 and covers coins, cards, balls, silks, rings, ropes and lots more; click [url=http://www.amazon.com/Hugards-Magic-Manual-Cards-Coins/dp/0486418774/ref=sr_1_1/102-3638774-5999315?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1181322953&sr=1-1]HERE[/url] for more info.

Welcome to the world of magic and the Café'! SETH

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I couldn't agree more about books! The Dover editions were some of my very first books as were the Tarbel volumes and many a long, happy night I spent with them. For the amount of info contained in these books, they're still one of the best deals in magic today. Also pick up a copy of Magic & Showmanship by Henning Nelms; you'll find it invaluable. A couple of false shuffles and cuts combined with the above mentioned sleights will allow you to do TONS of card effects. Here, here, Johnson's really do make the best U.S. coins; (for Cdn. coins search "Roy Kueppers") aren't they just unbelievable, so realistic looking and such a pleasure to work with. My final thought, books, books and more books!
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Jun 24, 2007 07:16PM)
Scot,

It's been several weeks. What have you learned? Do you have a act yet? Bring us up to date.

Bob
Message: Posted by: tnscot (Jun 25, 2007 08:44AM)
Just practicing with what I have. I have 2 daughters (3 years old and 7 months old.) I get home at 6:00, then we straighten the house and fix dinner, then , get the girls their baths and try to get them to bed by 8:30. Then the next two hours until bedtime is about all of the time my wife and I have to ourselves all day. Weekends are very full with church activities, so....Practice time has been at a minimum, I'm sad to say. But I am having a lot of fun when I DO have time, and - really - that's all I can ask for. I have a routine in my mind (largely a comedic magic act a la Tommy Cooper with a bit more actual magic and a few less verbal jokes)....but performing it looks to be far in my future.
Message: Posted by: mitchb2 (Jun 25, 2007 09:38AM)
We had some new friends over last night, so I got to try out everything on them.
It felt great to get genuine gasps and laughter when people couldn't believe their eyes. Shadow Coins REALLY got them. I even pulled off Prohibition flawlessly.

The woman said "I heard about the shoelace thing." (From some other friends).

Healed and Sealed needs work. Even though the trick itself went fine, they didn't understand what they were seeing, so it had no effect. I need to put more thought into how I set it up so they understand the miracle they're witnessing. At least I got some tips here at The Café about what not to do (based on the bad YouTube performances).

I still haven't done Invisible Deck for anyone. I don't trust it yet.

Live and learn. Fun stuff. I can see the possibility of really having something within, say, a year.
Message: Posted by: tony2514 (Jun 25, 2007 11:20AM)
Scot, you have made some excellent purchases and it is exciting at this stage to go on making more and more. I know I did when I first started. Consequently I have a lot of unused stuff in the bottom of my drawer.

You have enough equipment now to work on many, many routines. My advice would be to work on what you have and the routines you have. Then when that is exhausted, buy some books on the gimmicks you have and only then move on to more "stuff"

NB, don't transport your S&S unlocked as it may get damaged - use a bang ring.

Mitch - nice to hear from you again.

Healed and sealed was a problem for me at first and for the same reason. Turns out I was too quick to perform it because I thought that they would see something a bit hinky with the 'open' can at the start. At the beginning of the routine your specs have no reason to suspect anything amiss so you can take your time to explain that you have an opened, empty and crushed can in your hand.

Do you use a paper gaffe or cigarette lighter for set-up? I have found the best is cigarette lighter (Q-Tip to tidy edges)even though it takes a little longer. It is less obvious and can be set-up last minute.
Message: Posted by: mitchb2 (Jun 25, 2007 01:37PM)
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Do you use a paper gaffe or cigarette lighter for set-up?
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I use a single ply of black (Halloween) napkin. I made a cardboard template.
I tried Expo Dry Erase Marker, and it dried fast and wouldn't rub off!!
With condensation, the napkin melts into a tiny speck. I've read about the soot method and will try it next. I have several torch cigar lighters.

Speaking of H&S...can a prepped can be transported if plugged with, say, a toothpick?
Message: Posted by: tony2514 (Jun 25, 2007 01:59PM)
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On 2007-06-25 14:37, mitchb2 wrote:

Speaking of H&S...can a prepped can be transported if plugged with, say, a toothpick?
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Best to transport either upright and unplugged (but you get leakage)or I transport it pre-pricked - go to the bathroom to do the final work or out in a backyard. I have tried plugging to transport but the pressure is really too great and you may end up (as I did) with a very soggy jacket pocket. Usually I do not transport at all - just set up at the venue.

I can recommend the cigarette lighter method - the clean up is very simple. When you set up, though, it is a bit all over the place so I use a Kleenex for macro wipeaway and a Q-tip for the micro work. Try it, you'll see what I mean
Message: Posted by: mitchb2 (Jun 25, 2007 04:18PM)
I'm definitely going to try that next. I can already envision a stencil made out of heavy duty foil with the shape cut out. Put it in place, flame, remove stencil.
Message: Posted by: jmuscold (Aug 13, 2007 09:54PM)
You should get the royal road to card magic and a couple of decks, the course leads you down a path, which is a great way to learn trick, the tricks build upon one another.
Message: Posted by: dobber (Aug 17, 2007 11:00PM)
[quote]
On 2007-05-27 10:54, tnscot wrote:
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On 2007-05-25 21:40, pghdude80 wrote:
Scot,

Glad to hear you went with the Johnson S/S. It is, IMO, the best one on the market.

J
[/quote]

Hearing that makes me feel better about the price tag. It was significantly more expensive than the other ones I saw, but I have heard that it is the best, and the very fact that it is the only one that is specified by its brand name online tells me that as well. And it comes with a bang ring included, so that helps a bit too. For now, I'm gonna have to use a glass and elbow grease for the dime/penny set. When it all comes in.
[/quote]

You can use an 11/16th socket from your tool box as a makeshift bang ring for the dime&penny.
Message: Posted by: jimhlou (Aug 18, 2007 02:55PM)
Once you get comfortable with the invisible deck, it will become one of your favorites. It really floors people. Just practice, practice, practice (with you wife, or child or whatever) until you're comfortable - after a while it just clicks.

Jim
Message: Posted by: jimhlou (Aug 18, 2007 02:59PM)
Mitchb2

NO!! You can't transport H & S with a toothpick seal. The can will expand on its' own before you get where you're going.

Prepare the can, put it in a lunch sack with a folded paper towel on the bottom. It will stay like this for well over an hour and will still work perfect when you perform the trick. Just keep the bag upright.

Jim