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Topic: Talking to others locally about magic is hard
Message: Posted by: enginemagic (Jun 7, 2007 04:37PM)
Many I talk to are not big in sharing things on the subject of magic ,so I`m learning like I have learned since I was 10 years old "doing it on my own" by reading books & tinkering with things used by magicians. theres a sense of adventure in doing it that way.I was alwas good at doing that weather its mechanics ,accounting,home repairs,running a small repair buisness,and magic.
It would be nice to hear from some other self taught people on here,that shows real creativity.
Chuck
Message: Posted by: Father Photius (Jun 7, 2007 05:13PM)
Most magicians to a large degree are self taught. It is sad that in your area that the magicians are not more open and sharing. I've belonged to several local clubs where magicians were very open, shared, and it was a wonderful environment of cooperation and learning. But, I've also belonged to a few where there was suspicion, keeping everything to themselves like it was an undiscoverable secret, and full of political ploys and other shenannigans. Such is the nature of people. But don't give up on ur fellow magi. Try a few conventions, I've always found those to be very open environments for sharing and learning.
Message: Posted by: mrunge (Jun 7, 2007 08:33PM)
Yep...just keep trying and you'll find those who share your goals. Not all people interested in magic are unwilling to share. Just keep looking.

Good luck. Mark. :)
Message: Posted by: The Amazing Noobini (Jun 7, 2007 09:06PM)
I've never met or even seen a magician in real life. The good side to this is that if I ever learn anything really well (which is likely to take a few years more it seems) everyone here will be absolutely amazed because they will never have seen anything like it, except maybe once on tv.

The down side to this is that I'm a bit jealous of those who had someone there to help them with something at least once in their life. I mean... if someone could have taught me one little cool thing about anything, not just magic, when I was a kid, then maybe it would have sparked an interest. I could have been a contender. Instead of a bum, which is what I am. etc.

(Also in an ideal world one would have thought that people, beautiful women for instance, were at least partially interested in someone who was interested in something different than the heard. But oooh no. You're not supposed to try to be great at anything non-mainstream when you could be an athlete or a DJ or something, but that's a different topic) ;)

But like I said... there is a plus side to it as well. Since you have been practicing for decades longer than me, you have probably seen some benefit to having talents that everyone else around you do not have. I hope. At any learning method, efficient or not you are probably pretty good by now.
Message: Posted by: Andy the cardician (Jun 7, 2007 09:16PM)
Noobini, if you hang long enough around in a magic shop, you will bound to bounce into some magicians.

If there are no magic shops in Oslo - you might have discovered a market demand . . .


Andy
Message: Posted by: Mark Wilden (Jun 7, 2007 09:54PM)
I'm lucky. A couple of months after I started learning magic, we hired a new guy at work, who ended up sitting next to me. He'd been a full-time pro magician for 10 years. We spend a lot of time talking about magic, you can be sure.

///ark
Message: Posted by: marty.sasaki (Jun 7, 2007 09:59PM)
Magic shops aren't necessarily the best place to learn magic, especially if the only time you can be there is on the weekend. Thst's when they hope to sell lots of stuff to folks that walk in, so they are usually pretty busy. If you can go there when you are the only one in the shop, then the guy behind the counter may be friendlier to you, but remember they really want to sell you something.

Of course there are exceptions. I was lucky that when I was looking at doing magic again (like many, I did it as a kid) the guy at Hank Lee's, Harry Levine, really took the time and interest in what I was trying to do. He often actually convinced me to not buy the latest cool trick, but steered me towards books. Ray Goulet is also a great guy.

If you can find a magic club in the area, then make it a point to join the club. I've found the club members really helpful. During a break in the meeting, I recently brought out my Ninja Rings. Like many, I'm having problems doing the one-handed link. Quite a few folks came over and gave advice, or showed sympathy for me. A few meetings ago, I brought out my ProLine rings (I really like the rings!) and some folks came over and showed me a few of moves for the full sized rings. The same thing happened to another guy after he did a die box routine. Yet another time there was a little brainstorming session with disappearing and reappearing bill.

Everyone has been extremely friendly at both of the groups that I joined (SAM Assembly 9, and IBM Ring 122), I just have to ask.
Message: Posted by: wardini (Jun 7, 2007 10:20PM)
I've found most magicians very willing to share and help. The proviso is that it takes time to build up trust in a relationship. We are indoctrinated from the start with 'never give away a secret' and so generally we want to be sure that people have a genuine interest before spilling the beans. Becoming competent at a routine which requires skill and practice then asking for advice on how to improve it is a good way to ‘introduce’ yourself. This works on several fronts;1) You’re showing that you have taken the time to acquire some rudimentary skills. 2) You’re showing that you know there is more work to be done but your willing to learn. 3) You’re showing that you value their opinion.
Message: Posted by: mrunge (Jun 7, 2007 11:29PM)
Chuck...try this.

You're close to Fort Wayne, Indiana and they have an IBM Ring located there. Here is their contact and meeting info.

When: 3rd Monday of the Month at 7:00pm
Location: Stoner's Funstore, 712 S. Harrison St. , Ft. Wayne IN
Contact: Jim Reams, 1421 Dundee Drive, New Haven, IN 46774
Phone: 260-484-2757
Email: magicmolar@aol.com

Contact Jim and see about visiting their club and attending their meetings. Magic clubs are always looking for new members who are interested in magic. I'm sure you'll meet some great people there who would be more than willing to share and help you learn.

Mark.
Message: Posted by: The Amazing Noobini (Jun 8, 2007 06:37AM)
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On 2007-06-07 22:16, Andy the cardician wrote:
Noobini, if you hang long enough around in a magic shop, you will bound to bounce into some magicians.

If there are no magic shops in Oslo - you might have discovered a market demand . . .


Andy
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Hehe. Well, we do have an old novelty shoop. I was in there not long ago for the first time since I was a kid, and to my surprise they had a big stack of regular Bicycle card decks and also a few other things huddled together in a corner. But it all looked like very cheesy stuff for small(er) kids. They sell mostly green wigs and woopie cushions and that sort of thing.

Sadly, it is impossible to open any small shop here now and make a living. We simply aren't enough people (customers). And even rent for a small 2 room apartment will be around $1500 a month. Downtown shop locales... you would have to sell a magic trick to every second inhabitant every week. :)

But I digress... in a way, the internet has filled in the gap that may be in our local selection of social activities. Although it would have been great to have had a mentor, I do find that I can obtain an answer to nearly every question right here.

Also, knowing me as a teenager, I'm sure I wouldn't have listened to a word of what the mentor would have said anyway.
Message: Posted by: Andy the cardician (Jun 8, 2007 07:18AM)
Interesting . . . .seems like Magic is not very popular in your country
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Jun 8, 2007 04:39PM)
The magic Café here is a good start to know other magicians. Be sincere in striking a friendship with others. Don't go about asking how certain tricks are done only. Gain trust and build relationship with others here. There are many over here that are not only willing to help but are also very friendly.

Enjoy yourself here.
Message: Posted by: enginemagic (Jun 30, 2007 11:36AM)
I have been seeing a lot of political on here I tend to share some new things I `v learned & share sources of good magic media that is out there.one of the best books I found is Mark wilsons complete course in magic.I`m sort of new to this so I have to learn how to relate to many on here
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Jun 30, 2007 02:43PM)
Yes, the Mark Wilson's Course in Magic has great materials that are useful to many. It's good of you to share this.
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Jun 30, 2007 02:51PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-08 07:37, The Amazing Noobini wrote:
[quote]
On 2007-06-07 22:16, Andy the cardician wrote:
Noobini, if you hang long enough around in a magic shop, you will bound to bounce into some magicians.

If there are no magic shops in Oslo - you might have discovered a market demand . . .


Andy
[/quote]

Hehe. Well, we do have an old novelty shoop. I was in there not long ago for the first time since I was a kid, and to my surprise they had a big stack of regular Bicycle card decks and also a few other things huddled together in a corner. But it all looked like very cheesy stuff for small(er) kids. They sell mostly green wigs and woopie cushions and that sort of thing.

Sadly, it is impossible to open any small shop here now and make a living. We simply aren't enough people (customers). And even rent for a small 2 room apartment will be around $1500 a month. Downtown shop locales... you would have to sell a magic trick to every second inhabitant every week. :)

But I digress... in a way, the internet has filled in the gap that may be in our local selection of social activities. Although it would have been great to have had a mentor, I do find that I can obtain an answer to nearly every question right here.

Also, knowing me as a teenager, I'm sure I wouldn't have listened to a word of what the mentor would have said anyway.
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I'd sooo love to visit Oslo! It seems like such a great place.
Message: Posted by: Stanyon (Jun 30, 2007 03:18PM)
I was in Oslo in 2001. The ship docked on a Sunday and everything was closed. Didn't see a magician until we got to Porvo, Finland. I wish I knew who that guy was.

Cheers! ;)
Message: Posted by: enginemagic (Jul 2, 2007 08:52PM)
I have learned a lot on what to do to learn ,also you have to know exactally what you want at the shops (like I did when I asked for the folding quarter).I know most of you been into most of your life like I have with mechanics & building things.I was thinking of seeing how my magic buddy would do building a utility trailer from seeing pictures & choosing metal from a steel yard.I did my first show for freinds and I only been doing the magic things for 2 months many routins went well I learned 2 coins across routines one called 3 & 3 and a one coin jump. The 5 rope tricks are esay & have a good affect,My local magic buddy is good at sharing some things & I share with him some new things I learned he being a christian makes for a good fellowship.
Message: Posted by: tony2514 (Jul 3, 2007 12:55AM)
Enginemagic

My car wouldn't start one morning so I lifted the bonnet (hood) to see what was wrong. I don't know why I did this because unless there had been a big red on/off switch mounted on top of the engine and clearly in the OFF position I was never going to guess what the problem was.

Howver, I called out a local mechanic and he made a few magical passes over the engine, waved his mechanic's wrench-wand a couple of times and brought the engine back to life.

Magic, as you point out, is a skill like any other and it is diffucult, but possible, to teach yourself. I did and found, the same as you, magicians unwiling to share and help. Thatis, until I showed them that I was dedicated and learned a lot on my own. Ironically, the more you know and better you get, the more other magi are willing to share in my experience.

Anyway, whatever skill you have will be like magic to someone else. The mechanic who fixed my car made £125 disappear before he left. Now THAT'S magic!
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Jul 3, 2007 09:25AM)
The more you learn about magic the further you would move on in the performing art as a whole. With that you would also get to know and meet more magicians that you can have fellowship with. Enjoy your travel in this art.
Message: Posted by: Jay Austin (Jul 3, 2007 09:08PM)
Look to see if there is an IBM ring or SAM assembly in your area.

Noobini there is an IBM ring in Langhus, Norway. Not sure how far that is for you but it would be something to at least check out. They might be able to help you find someone more local.

http://www.magician.org/Ring_Locations.htm
http://www.magicsam.com/index.asp (link in the top center of the page)
Message: Posted by: enginemagic (Jul 4, 2007 10:54AM)
I have located a ring here it only meets once a month ,there are some nice people in the ring ,one is a gospel Magician that is really nice.
Message: Posted by: JamesTong (Jul 8, 2007 01:57AM)
As you travel deeper into this art, you wll find yourself enriched by many other magicians you connect with. Enjoy.
Message: Posted by: The Amazing Noobini (Aug 4, 2007 04:04PM)
[quote]
On 2007-06-07 22:16, Andy the cardician wrote:

If there are no magic shops in Oslo - you might have discovered a market demand . . .

[/quote]

I actually learnt yesterday that there is one single magic shop in this country after all and today I went there. Through the pusher street, took a right by the second group of hookers, then into a back alley. I read a sign, pushd a doorbell, identified myself and then climbed stairs and went to the end of a looong corridor. And there it was. Crosby Magic. More of an office/show room than a shop really, but he even sold Genii Magazine and Bicycle decks and everything. Not bad.

There is an entire world under my feet that I have been unaware of. Local jargon... meetings. Who would have known.
Message: Posted by: MickeyPainless (Aug 4, 2007 10:44PM)
I'm find that humility is the best policy when getting to know magic folk! My first trip to Hollywood Magic I informed the salesman/magician that I was a raw novice and that I wanted a few things that I could get a grip on easily while I studied and practiced material he might recommend. He became more gracious and began advising more than selling and by doing so he ended up gaining my trust and I gladly gave him my money. My 2nd trip provided an even warmer welcome and after a pro finished buying some props the salesman spent about 45 mins one on one with me.
The local SAM meets the first and third Mon. of every month so I plan to attend this coming Mon. and I'll report back after!
Message: Posted by: Andy the cardician (Aug 4, 2007 10:48PM)
[quote]
On 2007-08-04 17:04, The Amazing Noobini wrote:
[quote]
On 2007-06-07 22:16, Andy the cardician wrote:

If there are no magic shops in Oslo - you might have discovered a market demand . . .

[/quote]

I actually learnt yesterday that there is one single magic shop in this country after all and today I went there. Through the pusher street, took a right by the second group of hookers, then into a back alley. I read a sign, pushd a doorbell, identified myself and then climbed stairs and went to the end of a looong corridor. And there it was. Crosby Magic. More of an office/show room than a shop really, but he even sold Genii Magazine and Bicycle decks and everything. Not bad.

There is an entire world under my feet that I have been unaware of. Local jargon... meetings. Who would have known.
[/quote]

well done
Message: Posted by: Yiannos (Aug 6, 2007 08:54AM)
I live in Perth, Western Australia. To my knowledge there isn't a dedicated magic store anywhere in this state (although I could be wrong). I guess there are a few magicians around town but I certainly wouldn't know where to meet them. I'm doing okay tinkering along teaching myself, but dang it would be nice to have a chat with someone even just for ten minutes and get a little guidance.

But hey, I ain't complaining. At least thanks to the internet I can order books etc online, so it's not all bad!
Message: Posted by: The Amazing Noobini (Aug 6, 2007 12:03PM)
Having now looked a little into the fringes of the Norwegian magic world, it does sort of seem like a door through which I am reluctant to go. I mean... as much as I would enjoy talking to someone face to face about different magic related things, I don't really know if I want to become close friends with any baloon folding weirdos with silly hats. :)

Further more I know from my other interests that most Norwegians aren't really that interested in details surrounding odd little things. So I suspect that I will get more out of a pass discussion in these forums than in a meeting.

I could of course be wrong. Also they have seminars with Tom Stone and things like that, which could be interesting. But you have to actually audition for the Magic Circle here in Norway. I don't know...

Most things I have learnt in life I have figured out myself. I'm not a group person. I know from other things I do that the people in the photo clubs here, for instance, are always the least interesting photographers.
Message: Posted by: MickeyPainless (Aug 6, 2007 10:01PM)
Well I went to check out the local Magic Circle group here tonight but the only meetings goin on at the place noted by the SAM web site were square dancers and an AA meeting. Gonna head down to Hollywood tomorrow and maybe check into a membership at the Castle after a bit of window shopping (yeah right) at HW Magic.
Message: Posted by: ursusminor (Aug 11, 2007 08:35AM)
[quote]
On 2007-08-06 13:03, The Amazing Noobini wrote:
Having now looked a little into the fringes of the Norwegian magic world, it does sort of seem like a door through which I am reluctant to go. I mean... as much as I would enjoy talking to someone face to face about different magic related things, I don't really know if I want to become close friends with any baloon folding weirdos with silly hats. :)

Further more I know from my other interests that most Norwegians aren't really that interested in details surrounding odd little things. So I suspect that I will get more out of a pass discussion in these forums than in a meeting.

I could of course be wrong. Also they have seminars with Tom Stone and things like that, which could be interesting. But you have to actually audition for the Magic Circle here in Norway. I don't know...

Most things I have learnt in life I have figured out myself. I'm not a group person. I know from other things I do that the people in the photo clubs here, for instance, are always the least interesting photographers.
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Well, there are quite a few of us (here in Norway) that don't fold balloons or wear silly hats...
Some of us are even seriously into cards & close-up!
The "Magic Circle Norway" (MCN) is not a large club, but few of us bite...
And you don't have to audition right away. I wasn't even asked to do that for the first couple of years.
Why not try us?
Feel free to send me a PM if you're interrested!

Bjørn